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(12-12-2018 10:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  These are the cheapest single tickets available, as of the date/time of this post:

NY6:


Rose Bowl ............... Ohio State vs Washington ... $175

Orange Bowl (CFP) ... Alabama vs Oklahoma ....... $152

Cotton Bowl (CFP) ..... Clemson vs Notre Dame ...... $142

Sugar Bowl ............. Georgia vs Texas ................ $106

Peach Bowl ............. Florida vs Michigan ............... $91

Fiesta Bowl ............. LSU vs UCF ......................... $12


Some low-end G5 bowls:


New Orleans Bowl ....... App State vs Middle Tennessee .... $30

Dollar General Bowl ..... Troy vs Buffalo ........................... $32

Celebration Bowl (FCS) ... NCAT vs Alcorn State ................ $52

Cure Bowl .................... ULL vs Tulane ........................... $16

Camelia Bowl ............... GSU vs EMU .............................. $50

Boca Bowl .................... NIU vs UAB ............................... $25


.... and you wonder why no NY6 wanted UCF?
Good thing Michigan and Florida generate good TV ratings. People aren't lining up for tickets.
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(12-13-2018 02:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-12-2018 10:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  These are the cheapest single tickets available, as of the date/time of this post:

NY6:


Rose Bowl ............... Ohio State vs Washington ... $175

Orange Bowl (CFP) ... Alabama vs Oklahoma ....... $152

Cotton Bowl (CFP) ..... Clemson vs Notre Dame ...... $142

Sugar Bowl ............. Georgia vs Texas ................ $106

Peach Bowl ............. Florida vs Michigan ............... $91

Fiesta Bowl ............. LSU vs UCF ......................... $12


Some low-end G5 bowls:


New Orleans Bowl ....... App State vs Middle Tennessee .... $30

Dollar General Bowl ..... Troy vs Buffalo ........................... $32

Celebration Bowl (FCS) ... NCAT vs Alcorn State ................ $52

Cure Bowl .................... ULL vs Tulane ........................... $16

Camelia Bowl ............... GSU vs EMU .............................. $50

Boca Bowl .................... NIU vs UAB ............................... $25


.... and you wonder why no NY6 wanted UCF?

Well that's about a buck higher than the regular season cost on the family plan at UCF. But it's about $63 under what L.S.U. would charge for a G5 team on their home schedule.

This is precisely why the Big 12 didn't expand! Capiche! Oh, and by the way, it's exactly why a P5 doesn't do home and home's with schools that seat maybe 50,000, and don't charge enough for their home tickets to make the trip worthwhile. It has zero to do with anything but money! Nada!

Everything has to do with money. Honestly, outside of the top 4 or 5 teams in a P5 conference, and I'm not simply talking football success, nobody will meet the high standard. Utah and TCU wouldnt have met this standard today and I'm doubtful either one of them would do well in a non playoff Orange Bowl even today. Hell, more than half tha PAC and Big 12 would struggle to bring fans to the Orange bowl. P5 conferences do not expand unless they have to, or there is some reason that makes sense money wise, ie Rutgers.
So unless the LHN becomes the Big 12 Network or Texas/Ok walk, I dont see them expanding.
One wildcard is taking a gamble on potential. With P5 resources, I think the ceiling of UCF football wise is a hell of a lot higher than most of the P5, yes most, just my opinion though.
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(12-13-2018 09:01 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(12-13-2018 02:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-12-2018 10:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  These are the cheapest single tickets available, as of the date/time of this post:

NY6:


Rose Bowl ............... Ohio State vs Washington ... $175

Orange Bowl (CFP) ... Alabama vs Oklahoma ....... $152

Cotton Bowl (CFP) ..... Clemson vs Notre Dame ...... $142

Sugar Bowl ............. Georgia vs Texas ................ $106

Peach Bowl ............. Florida vs Michigan ............... $91

Fiesta Bowl ............. LSU vs UCF ......................... $12


Some low-end G5 bowls:


New Orleans Bowl ....... App State vs Middle Tennessee .... $30

Dollar General Bowl ..... Troy vs Buffalo ........................... $32

Celebration Bowl (FCS) ... NCAT vs Alcorn State ................ $52

Cure Bowl .................... ULL vs Tulane ........................... $16

Camelia Bowl ............... GSU vs EMU .............................. $50

Boca Bowl .................... NIU vs UAB ............................... $25


.... and you wonder why no NY6 wanted UCF?

Well that's about a buck higher than the regular season cost on the family plan at UCF. But it's about $63 under what L.S.U. would charge for a G5 team on their home schedule.

This is precisely why the Big 12 didn't expand! Capiche! Oh, and by the way, it's exactly why a P5 doesn't do home and home's with schools that seat maybe 50,000, and don't charge enough for their home tickets to make the trip worthwhile. It has zero to do with anything but money! Nada!

Anecdotal, but SC @ UCF 2013 was one of the toughest tickets I've ever tried to get. Think we ended up paying like $80 apiece for endzone seats. Gainesville, Knoxville, CoMo, Nashville, and Oxford were all cheaper. Athens is always the toughest but that's a quasi-rivalry game and SC brings a ton of fans.

Did you buy your tickets through the University or Stub Hub? My old roommate who is a Geezer now too called me last year to see if we had tickets yet. He knew we went through the school. We didn't because our kids were coming home at odd times over the holidays. He was excited. Auburn wanted $125 per ticket through the Athletic Department and he had gotten them for about $45 a piece on Stub Hub and got better seats to boot.
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(12-13-2018 11:02 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-13-2018 09:01 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(12-13-2018 02:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-12-2018 10:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  These are the cheapest single tickets available, as of the date/time of this post:

NY6:


Rose Bowl ............... Ohio State vs Washington ... $175

Orange Bowl (CFP) ... Alabama vs Oklahoma ....... $152

Cotton Bowl (CFP) ..... Clemson vs Notre Dame ...... $142

Sugar Bowl ............. Georgia vs Texas ................ $106

Peach Bowl ............. Florida vs Michigan ............... $91

Fiesta Bowl ............. LSU vs UCF ......................... $12


Some low-end G5 bowls:


New Orleans Bowl ....... App State vs Middle Tennessee .... $30

Dollar General Bowl ..... Troy vs Buffalo ........................... $32

Celebration Bowl (FCS) ... NCAT vs Alcorn State ................ $52

Cure Bowl .................... ULL vs Tulane ........................... $16

Camelia Bowl ............... GSU vs EMU .............................. $50

Boca Bowl .................... NIU vs UAB ............................... $25


.... and you wonder why no NY6 wanted UCF?

Well that's about a buck higher than the regular season cost on the family plan at UCF. But it's about $63 under what L.S.U. would charge for a G5 team on their home schedule.

This is precisely why the Big 12 didn't expand! Capiche! Oh, and by the way, it's exactly why a P5 doesn't do home and home's with schools that seat maybe 50,000, and don't charge enough for their home tickets to make the trip worthwhile. It has zero to do with anything but money! Nada!

Anecdotal, but SC @ UCF 2013 was one of the toughest tickets I've ever tried to get. Think we ended up paying like $80 apiece for endzone seats. Gainesville, Knoxville, CoMo, Nashville, and Oxford were all cheaper. Athens is always the toughest but that's a quasi-rivalry game and SC brings a ton of fans.

Did you buy your tickets through the University or Stub Hub? My old roommate who is a Geezer now too called me last year to see if we had tickets yet. He knew we went through the school. We didn't because our kids were coming home at odd times over the holidays. He was excited. Auburn wanted $125 per ticket through the Athletic Department and he had gotten them for about $45 a piece on Stub Hub and got better seats to boot.

Stubhub.

Honestly, I almost always just go through there and just try and find seats in the visitors sections. If you're OK with waiting until the week of it's usually cheaper and you can pick your seats.

For that game I imagine it was mostly because they were good and had a top 10 or so SEC team coming in. I think they had won in Happy Valley the week before too.
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(12-13-2018 10:49 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-12-2018 10:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  These are the cheapest single tickets available, as of the date/time of this post:

NY6:


Rose Bowl ............... Ohio State vs Washington ... $175

Orange Bowl (CFP) ... Alabama vs Oklahoma ....... $152

Cotton Bowl (CFP) ..... Clemson vs Notre Dame ...... $142

Sugar Bowl ............. Georgia vs Texas ................ $106

Peach Bowl ............. Florida vs Michigan ............... $91

Fiesta Bowl ............. LSU vs UCF ......................... $12


Some low-end G5 bowls:


New Orleans Bowl ....... App State vs Middle Tennessee .... $30

Dollar General Bowl ..... Troy vs Buffalo ........................... $32

Celebration Bowl (FCS) ... NCAT vs Alcorn State ................ $52

Cure Bowl .................... ULL vs Tulane ........................... $16

Camelia Bowl ............... GSU vs EMU .............................. $50

Boca Bowl .................... NIU vs UAB ............................... $25


.... and you wonder why no NY6 wanted UCF?
Good thing Michigan and Florida generate good TV ratings. People aren't lining up for tickets.

Why should they? Our culture has changed. Most families with money are the families with the kids out of the nest. Because our kids have kids their Holiday schedules which include working up to and sometimes through the holidays are impacted by travel costs as well. So at our house our kids and grand kids no longer all come for Christmas day and leave after New Year's like we did with our folks when we were their age. The arrive and leave when they can schedule a vacation block of time and when air fairs are cheaper. Because of that the window for our going to games isn't as great.

Make that bowl game a lousy one like last year for Auburn, or make it a three-peat like the last Auburn-Wisconsin match was (and like the UF/MI game is) and we just said meh!

Add to that the fact that they want way too much for a ticket to an also ran event in a city I don't give a hoot about going to and it's a total non starter.

If that's true for the generation that caused stadium sizes to swell to 100,000 then what's that going to mean to young folks who just weren't raised on it?

Most Americans today have enough on their plates with work, health care, home costs, and auto costs. I paid $5400 cash for a brand new Cutlass Oldsmobile in 1974 (the first new car I bought). A comparable vehicle today would be $35,000 or more. Inflation in all of the above except wages is why kids today can't afford this stuff. It's a classic case where price is killing demand. And I don't see how this ends well.

I guess if Alston wins and we move to an uncapped compensation model that maybe 48 schools will choose to go that route and then the pool of avid fans that can afford the experience might find some equilibrium with regard to costs. But at Joe Average State U it's just not happening anymore.
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(12-13-2018 10:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-13-2018 09:54 AM)otown Wrote:  
(12-12-2018 07:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-12-2018 07:10 PM)otown Wrote:  
(12-12-2018 05:24 PM)No Bull Wrote:  I mean you are green with envy... if only USF could get to a NY6 bowl...but year after year...after dreary year...USF has not been up to the job.

Trolling about ticket prices is some weak sauce. 03-lmfao

Fantasyland quo sure does like to cherry pick. Peachbowl sold out in record time last year........ but lets ignore that fact. Lets try to stay in reality.

It sold out this year before the teams were even announced, LOL.

Fantasyland quo at it again. Peach Bowl sold out this year before teams were announced because ticket buyers get access to face value semifinal tickets next year. I know those crazy locals that reside in fantasyland dont like facts, so carry on in your circus. 07-coffee3

Silly o-town at it again: he claims Peach Bowl sold out in 'record time' last year with zero evidence - apparently he has confused UCF selling out its allotment to a bowl game in record time with the bowl doing so.

But feel free to post link saying Peach sold out in record time last year. You've presented no facts to back that up despite allegedly valuing facts.

As for this year, it doesn't matter why the Peach sold out before teams were announced, the fact is it did, and as I said, the Peach selling out is zero kind of big deal because it routinely sells out, it's a rare thing when it doesn't.

What everyone with a brain knows is that the reason UCF is in Tempe this year is because the Peach had no desire to have UCF again this year.
How did USF do with there NY6 Bowl allotment?.... oh wait.... USF has never sniffed a NY6 bowl... or even a conference championship.

USF has lost 5 straight games and is playing a CUSA team in the Gasparilla Bowl. Even though the bowl is in Tampa, I am quite sure you won't even have 20k "butts in seats" for this game. 03-2thumbsup

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(12-12-2018 07:53 PM)No Bull Wrote:  
(12-12-2018 07:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-12-2018 07:10 PM)otown Wrote:  
(12-12-2018 05:24 PM)No Bull Wrote:  
(12-12-2018 10:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  And yet NIU vs UAB is doing OK. 07-coffee3

I mean you are green with envy... if only USF could get to a NY6 bowl...but year after year...after dreary year...USF has not been up to the job.

Trolling about ticket prices is some weak sauce. 03-lmfao

Fantasyland quo sure does like to cherry pick. Peachbowl sold out in record time last year........ but lets ignore that fact. Lets try to stay in reality.

It's hilarious watching UCF buffoons trip all over themselves. The Peach Bowl didn't sell out last year in "record time", lowly UCF sold out its allotment in record time - for UCF, not for anyone else. And the Peach Bowl selling out is no big deal, it sits in the heart of SEC country and always features an SEC team, unless its a playoff. IIRC it has sold out the last 10 years. It sold out this year before the teams were even announced, LOL.

The Peach wanted *nothing* to do with UCF, and passed them off to the Fiesta Bowl like a Hot Potato. Couldn't dump them out west fast enough. 07-coffee3
How did USF do with there NY6 Bowl allotment?.... oh wait.... USF has never sniffed a NY6 bowl... or even a conference championship.

USF has lost 5 straight games and is playing a CUSA team in the Gasparilla Bowl. Even though the bowl is in Tampa, I am quite sure you won't even have 20k "butts in seats" for this game. 03-2thumbsup

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The selection committee could have made all this moot if only they had picked UCF to face Alabama in the Orange Bowl. As a bonus, the Sugar Bowl could have had Georgia vs Oklahoma, which would have been a better matchup than either of the CFP semis.
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(12-13-2018 09:21 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Quick Lane Bowl
Minnesota v Georgia Tech
$5

Independence Bowl
Temple v Duke
$8

Texas Bowl
Baylor v Vanderbilt
$6

Sun Bowl
Stanford v Pittsburgh
$11

Holiday Bowl
Northwestern v Utah
$8

Above are all the bowl games with secondary market tickets starting below that of the Fiesta Bowl. Notice 9 of the 10 teams are from A5 conferences.

Very interesting! Why did quo exclude these games but include a bunch of other non-NY6 bowls?
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(12-12-2018 07:26 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(12-12-2018 02:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(12-12-2018 10:52 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Of the 5 locations on that list, 4 are in or near CFB havens and 1 is in a faraway suburb dominated by a retiree population in an area that’s never supported sports well with 2 extremely faraway teams.

None of that mattered when Ohio State played Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl a few years ago.

Also: Faraway suburb? Would ticket prices on the secondary market be 10 times higher if the game was played in Tempe? No.

It’ll often take 70-90 minutes from Tempe/Scottsdale/Mesa/etc to Glendale’s Westgate district for games. It’s a faraway suburb from that standpoint because it deters a significant amount of locals’ desire to attend. Thus, a bowl game in Glendale won’t carry that local grassroots support you see in comparable bowls.



For a weeknight game, sure, 45-60 minutes in rush hour.

But right now, from my office on the Tempe/Mesa/Chandler border, it is a 30 minute drive.

State Farm Stadium is NOT in a faraway suburb. 20 minute drive from downtown Phoenix RIGHT NOW. Jan 1st, 15 minute drive.

Right now downtown LA to Rose Bowl: 30 minute drive
Right now downtown Miami to Hard Rock Stadium: 25 minute drive, South Beach 35 minute drive
Right now downtown Dallas to Jerryworld - 20 minute drive.

And the West Valley (where the stadium is) is 800K, all within 15 minutes of the stadium.
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(12-13-2018 11:53 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(12-13-2018 09:21 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Quick Lane Bowl
Minnesota v Georgia Tech
$5

Independence Bowl
Temple v Duke
$8

Texas Bowl
Baylor v Vanderbilt
$6

Sun Bowl
Stanford v Pittsburgh
$11

Holiday Bowl
Northwestern v Utah
$8

Above are all the bowl games with secondary market tickets starting below that of the Fiesta Bowl. Notice 9 of the 10 teams are from A5 conferences.

Very interesting! Why did quo exclude these games but include a bunch of other non-NY6 bowls?

Just an oversight I'm sure.
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(12-13-2018 11:38 AM)ken d Wrote:  The selection committee could have made all this moot if only they had picked UCF to face Alabama in the Orange Bowl. As a bonus, the Sugar Bowl could have had Georgia vs Oklahoma, which would have been a better matchup than either of the CFP semis.

The CFP are ESPN's money games. The selection committee essentially works for ESPN. The Sugar Bowl is just fine with two regional opponents. So from an ESPN perspective they got exactly what they want and they buried their crap in Arizona effectively outside of their normal business partners area. It's a much better year for them than last year!

This isn't, and hasn't been, about college sports since the network takeover in 2010. And prior to that you'd have to go back to the mid 80's to find a time when their influence was over the top.
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(12-13-2018 12:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-13-2018 11:38 AM)ken d Wrote:  The selection committee could have made all this moot if only they had picked UCF to face Alabama in the Orange Bowl. As a bonus, the Sugar Bowl could have had Georgia vs Oklahoma, which would have been a better matchup than either of the CFP semis.

This isn't, and hasn't been, about college sports since the network takeover in 2010. And prior to that you'd have to go back to the mid 80's to find a time when their influence was over the top.

Hit the nail on the head. Money destroyed or consistently eroded the integrity of determining a true college football champ. True, it is better than it was......... but this new system really placed a bounty on the head of the competitive spirit of the sport.

To take it a step further, if a star player gets injured in the playoffs, you will start to the players opt out of even those games. Once again, all about money...... but a little easier to swallow considering a lot of these kids have no fall back plan if they were projected to be a solid draft pick. Corporate greed regarding the takeover of the sport is much less easy to swallow.
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(12-13-2018 12:06 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(12-12-2018 07:26 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(12-12-2018 02:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(12-12-2018 10:52 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Of the 5 locations on that list, 4 are in or near CFB havens and 1 is in a faraway suburb dominated by a retiree population in an area that’s never supported sports well with 2 extremely faraway teams.

None of that mattered when Ohio State played Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl a few years ago.

Also: Faraway suburb? Would ticket prices on the secondary market be 10 times higher if the game was played in Tempe? No.

It’ll often take 70-90 minutes from Tempe/Scottsdale/Mesa/etc to Glendale’s Westgate district for games. It’s a faraway suburb from that standpoint because it deters a significant amount of locals’ desire to attend. Thus, a bowl game in Glendale won’t carry that local grassroots support you see in comparable bowls.



For a weeknight game, sure, 45-60 minutes in rush hour.

But right now, from my office on the Tempe/Mesa/Chandler border, it is a 30 minute drive.

State Farm Stadium is NOT in a faraway suburb. 20 minute drive from downtown Phoenix RIGHT NOW. Jan 1st, 15 minute drive.

Right now downtown LA to Rose Bowl: 30 minute drive
Right now downtown Miami to Hard Rock Stadium: 25 minute drive, South Beach 35 minute drive
Right now downtown Dallas to Jerryworld - 20 minute drive.

And the West Valley (where the stadium is) is 800K, all within 15 minutes of the stadium.

Correct, the drives right now aren’t faraway because the roads are clear. But throw in heavy traffic and it’s suddenly faraway. I’ve done it from Scottsdale and it took 75 minutes for <30 miles.

https://www.fiveforhowling.com/2017/5/11...iver-arena
Quote:In addition, the arena is located 20 miles away from Downtown Phoenix and anywhere from 20 to 40 miles away from the majority of the team’s fan base.

62 percent of the Coyotes Lower-Level Season Ticket Holders and 53 percent of their Upper-Level Season Ticket Holders live in the East Valley. That’s a long way to drive at the best of times and even longer during rush hour traffic. During the hockey season, there are between one and three games held on weeknights where what should be a 45-minute drive takes almost two hours.

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(12-13-2018 12:39 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(12-13-2018 12:06 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(12-12-2018 07:26 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(12-12-2018 02:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(12-12-2018 10:52 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Of the 5 locations on that list, 4 are in or near CFB havens and 1 is in a faraway suburb dominated by a retiree population in an area that’s never supported sports well with 2 extremely faraway teams.

None of that mattered when Ohio State played Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl a few years ago.

Also: Faraway suburb? Would ticket prices on the secondary market be 10 times higher if the game was played in Tempe? No.

It’ll often take 70-90 minutes from Tempe/Scottsdale/Mesa/etc to Glendale’s Westgate district for games. It’s a faraway suburb from that standpoint because it deters a significant amount of locals’ desire to attend. Thus, a bowl game in Glendale won’t carry that local grassroots support you see in comparable bowls.



For a weeknight game, sure, 45-60 minutes in rush hour.

But right now, from my office on the Tempe/Mesa/Chandler border, it is a 30 minute drive.

State Farm Stadium is NOT in a faraway suburb. 20 minute drive from downtown Phoenix RIGHT NOW. Jan 1st, 15 minute drive.

Right now downtown LA to Rose Bowl: 30 minute drive
Right now downtown Miami to Hard Rock Stadium: 25 minute drive, South Beach 35 minute drive
Right now downtown Dallas to Jerryworld - 20 minute drive.

And the West Valley (where the stadium is) is 800K, all within 15 minutes of the stadium.

Correct, the drives right now aren’t faraway because the roads are clear. But throw in heavy traffic and it’s suddenly faraway. I’ve done it from Scottsdale and it took 75 minutes for <30 miles.

https://www.fiveforhowling.com/2017/5/11...iver-arena
Quote:In addition, the arena is located 20 miles away from Downtown Phoenix and anywhere from 20 to 40 miles away from the majority of the team’s fan base.

62 percent of the Coyotes Lower-Level Season Ticket Holders and 53 percent of their Upper-Level Season Ticket Holders live in the East Valley. That’s a long way to drive at the best of times and even longer during rush hour traffic. During the hockey season, there are between one and three games held on weeknights where what should be a 45-minute drive takes almost two hours.

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Again, you are talking weeknight games. The Fiesta Bowl is Jan 1, mid day. No traffic.

Can you learn to read?

And no, on a regular weeknight it doesn't take two hours from Mesa to Glendale. There are alternate routes if the I-10 is backed up.
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RE: NY6 Bowl ticket prices on Stubhub ...
(12-13-2018 12:39 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(12-13-2018 12:06 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(12-12-2018 07:26 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(12-12-2018 02:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(12-12-2018 10:52 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Of the 5 locations on that list, 4 are in or near CFB havens and 1 is in a faraway suburb dominated by a retiree population in an area that’s never supported sports well with 2 extremely faraway teams.

None of that mattered when Ohio State played Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl a few years ago.

Also: Faraway suburb? Would ticket prices on the secondary market be 10 times higher if the game was played in Tempe? No.

It’ll often take 70-90 minutes from Tempe/Scottsdale/Mesa/etc to Glendale’s Westgate district for games. It’s a faraway suburb from that standpoint because it deters a significant amount of locals’ desire to attend. Thus, a bowl game in Glendale won’t carry that local grassroots support you see in comparable bowls.



For a weeknight game, sure, 45-60 minutes in rush hour.

But right now, from my office on the Tempe/Mesa/Chandler border, it is a 30 minute drive.

State Farm Stadium is NOT in a faraway suburb. 20 minute drive from downtown Phoenix RIGHT NOW. Jan 1st, 15 minute drive.

Right now downtown LA to Rose Bowl: 30 minute drive
Right now downtown Miami to Hard Rock Stadium: 25 minute drive, South Beach 35 minute drive
Right now downtown Dallas to Jerryworld - 20 minute drive.

And the West Valley (where the stadium is) is 800K, all within 15 minutes of the stadium.

Correct, the drives right now aren’t faraway because the roads are clear. But throw in heavy traffic and it’s suddenly faraway. I’ve done it from Scottsdale and it took 75 minutes for <30 miles.

https://www.fiveforhowling.com/2017/5/11...iver-arena
Quote:In addition, the arena is located 20 miles away from Downtown Phoenix and anywhere from 20 to 40 miles away from the majority of the team’s fan base.

62 percent of the Coyotes Lower-Level Season Ticket Holders and 53 percent of their Upper-Level Season Ticket Holders live in the East Valley. That’s a long way to drive at the best of times and even longer during rush hour traffic. During the hockey season, there are between one and three games held on weeknights where what should be a 45-minute drive takes almost two hours.

[Image: arena_drive.jpg]

Yeah I’ve done that drive for work at the Fiesta Bowl from Paradise Valley it was 25 minutes. Two hours on the morning of Jan 1st is just crazy.
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RE: NY6 Bowl ticket prices on Stubhub ...
(12-13-2018 01:41 PM)utpotts Wrote:  Yeah I’ve done that drive for work at the Fiesta Bowl from Paradise Valley it was 25 minutes. Two hours on the morning of Jan 1st is just crazy.

A few days before Christmas 20 years ago, I was staying at my fiance's place in Tempe, within walking distance of ASU.

On a Monday evening, we decided to drive to Las Vegas to get married. By the maps (this was before commercial GPS, LOL), it looked to be about a 4-5 hour drive.

But just trying to get out of the Phoenix area, it took us about 3 whole hours. On your map, you can see a road that is leading out at about a 45 degree angle to the northwest, looks like it passes not far from the Glendale stadium site, road "60". I think that's the road we took. Horrific traffic.

Swear to God, it took 3 hours just to get out of the Phoenix area, and a good 8 to reach Vegas. So it CAN be a nightmare, or at least back in 1998.
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RE: NY6 Bowl ticket prices on Stubhub ...
(12-13-2018 11:53 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(12-13-2018 09:21 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Quick Lane Bowl
Minnesota v Georgia Tech
$5

Independence Bowl
Temple v Duke
$8

Texas Bowl
Baylor v Vanderbilt
$6

Sun Bowl
Stanford v Pittsburgh
$11

Holiday Bowl
Northwestern v Utah
$8

Above are all the bowl games with secondary market tickets starting below that of the Fiesta Bowl. Notice 9 of the 10 teams are from A5 conferences.

Very interesting! Why did quo exclude these games but include a bunch of other non-NY6 bowls?

For the very obvious reason that they are irrelevant. These are teams with weak records, 4+ losses, just 13th exhibition game to look at 2019 players, earn the coach a bonus. They exist simply to fill ESPN time slots.

But your post is classic AAC fanboy whataboutism. The issue front and center is the complete failure (inability due to low incomes?) of UCF fans to travel to a NY6 game, the ultimate destination. Sure LSU fans see it as a BS game, a bogey prize for being the 4th best SEC school with 3 losses. But what is the excuse for UCF fans? How can any AAC fan make a credible case that their schools are power level when their fans travel like San Jose State or UMass out of region.

So no matter how you try to paint it, it's an embarrassingly weak fan base showing from the biggest school in the American. It lays open the obvious falseness of the claim to producing a National audience you expect from a power school. So go ahead with your whataboutisms.
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RE: NY6 Bowl ticket prices on Stubhub ...
(12-13-2018 04:26 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(12-13-2018 11:53 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(12-13-2018 09:21 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Quick Lane Bowl
Minnesota v Georgia Tech
$5

Independence Bowl
Temple v Duke
$8

Texas Bowl
Baylor v Vanderbilt
$6

Sun Bowl
Stanford v Pittsburgh
$11

Holiday Bowl
Northwestern v Utah
$8

Above are all the bowl games with secondary market tickets starting below that of the Fiesta Bowl. Notice 9 of the 10 teams are from A5 conferences.

Very interesting! Why did quo exclude these games but include a bunch of other non-NY6 bowls?

For the very obvious reason that they are irrelevant. These are teams with weak records, 4+ losses, just 13th exhibition game to look at 2019 players, earn the coach a bonus. They exist simply to fill ESPN time slots.

But your post is classic AAC fanboy whataboutism. The issue front and center is the complete failure (inability due to low incomes?) of UCF fans to travel to a NY6 game, the ultimate destination. Sure LSU fans see it as a BS game, a bogey prize for being the 4th best SEC school with 3 losses. But what is the excuse for UCF fans? How can any AAC fan make a credible case that their schools are power level when their fans travel like San Jose State or UMass out of region.

So no matter how you try to paint it, it's an embarrassingly weak fan base showing from the biggest school in the American. It lays open the obvious falseness of the claim to producing a National audience you expect from a power school. So go ahead with your whataboutisms.

I'd rather be an AAC fanboy that defends my conference against asinine repetitive ignorance than claim to be a fan of some vague program that you oddly never mention. Who are you a fan of? Tell is something positive about your team. Sometimes add something interesting to the discussion other than hate and insults. Trust me you'll feel better about yourself. 07-coffee307-coffee307-coffee3
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RE: NY6 Bowl ticket prices on Stubhub ...
(12-13-2018 12:06 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(12-12-2018 07:26 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(12-12-2018 02:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(12-12-2018 10:52 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Of the 5 locations on that list, 4 are in or near CFB havens and 1 is in a faraway suburb dominated by a retiree population in an area that’s never supported sports well with 2 extremely faraway teams.

None of that mattered when Ohio State played Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl a few years ago.

Also: Faraway suburb? Would ticket prices on the secondary market be 10 times higher if the game was played in Tempe? No.

It’ll often take 70-90 minutes from Tempe/Scottsdale/Mesa/etc to Glendale’s Westgate district for games. It’s a faraway suburb from that standpoint because it deters a significant amount of locals’ desire to attend. Thus, a bowl game in Glendale won’t carry that local grassroots support you see in comparable bowls.



For a weeknight game, sure, 45-60 minutes in rush hour.

But right now, from my office on the Tempe/Mesa/Chandler border, it is a 30 minute drive.

State Farm Stadium is NOT in a faraway suburb. 20 minute drive from downtown Phoenix RIGHT NOW. Jan 1st, 15 minute drive.

Right now downtown LA to Rose Bowl: 30 minute drive
Right now downtown Miami to Hard Rock Stadium: 25 minute drive, South Beach 35 minute drive
Right now downtown Dallas to Jerryworld - 20 minute drive.

And the West Valley (where the stadium is) is 800K, all within 15 minutes of the stadium.

But how many of those folks want to trek out to Glendale for an 11AM game on New Years Day between two teams that play in conferences based on the other side of the country.
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