(12-02-2018 04:24 PM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  The last time we were in this bowl, against Connecticut, it was well attended by Marshall fans. I suspect the same turnout here. It will get a lot of play in the local paper and media.

Looking at Marshall's bowl history and this is your 3rd appearance in this bowl game and it's had 3 different names.....Beef O Brady's Bowl, St Petersburg Bowl, and Bad Boy Mowers Gasparilla Bowl. You won the first 2 games so now it's time to get the trifecta.

Marshall dominates in bowl games. Majority of our roster are from FL. Lots of alumni in FL. Marshall will be well represented as they kick the ever loving shi out of the team that got into the Big East Leftovers due to their geographic location.

One thing is for sure, the team wearing green will win.

(12-04-2018 09:20 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  One thing is for sure, the team wearing green will win.

Unless we are wearing black, of course.. or white jersey and black pants.

(12-04-2018 09:32 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 09:20 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  One thing is for sure, the team wearing green will win.

Unless we are wearing black, of course.. or white jersey and black pants.

I hate the black pants and jerseys. Looks terrible. Green jersey and white pants. Best combo. Or the all whites.

(12-04-2018 08:54 PM)SVHerd Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 09:32 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 09:20 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  One thing is for sure, the team wearing green will win.

Unless we are wearing black, of course.. or white jersey and black pants.

I hate the black pants and jerseys. Looks terrible. Green jersey and white pants. Best combo. Or the all whites.

See, I like ‘em. But we, for the love of God, need to lose that stupid clunky black stripe on the green pants. I’d like to have an alternate black and an alternate green helmet too. Players like that stuff. Gets them pumped up.

Hopefully we can keep the bowl streak going, but I have 0 faith in Doc. He needs to be escorted out of the stadium and left in Florida if he punts inside the 35 again.

(12-04-2018 08:54 PM)SVHerd Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 09:32 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 09:20 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  One thing is for sure, the team wearing green will win.

Unless we are wearing black, of course.. or white jersey and black pants.

I hate the black pants and jerseys. Looks terrible. Green jersey and white pants. Best combo. Or the all whites.

This is my favorite combo.. We broke them out last year at NC State.

Does Beef O'Brady's (referencing the long list of ex bowl sponsorships) still exist? Been here about 10 years, and I don't think I've even seen one here in TX.

(12-05-2018 12:33 AM)_sturt_ Wrote:  Does Beef O'Brady's (referencing the long list of ex bowl sponsorships) still exist? Been here about 10 years, and I don't think I've even seen one here in TX.

I don't know about Texas but there are still some around the Atlanta area. I've never been to one, but I think they are similar to a Bennigan's or Applebee's.

(12-05-2018 12:33 AM)_sturt_ Wrote:  Does Beef O'Brady's (referencing the long list of ex bowl sponsorships) still exist? Been here about 10 years, and I don't think I've even seen one here in TX.

It's still a large franchise here in Florida,where it began. Many BoB restaurants around. Typical neighborhood sports bar.

(12-02-2018 09:53 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  All our bowls suck. No p5 matchups. USF should be an easy win, but then again, we have Doc. Thats worth a 20 pt handicap.

No P5 matchups...

We’ve got a Conf champ vs Conf. champ bowl. That doesn’t suck.

(12-03-2018 04:33 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  Canning Doc, who wins most of the time, for not winning the conference every year or every other year is about as nuts as it gets and I would hope that the herd fans who want that, get exactly what they want, 2 or 3 wins a year again.

Nice Hyperbole. We aren't asking to win it every year or every other year. But I think more than once in ten years is not too much to ask. And I think winning the division more than twice in 10 years is not too much to ask.

So you hope if we change coaches that the Herd only wins 2-3 games a year. Nice to know your spite completely outweighs your desire to see Marshall succeed against anyone except those on the bottom 20 list of FBS football. Position noted.

PS we already have a 3 win season with Doc. He's done that as often as he's won the conference. Suck on that statistic.

Mathematicians, what is the probability that a given school will win their division twice over the course of 10 years?... the probability that they will win the 14-team conference over the course of 10 years?

(12-07-2018 12:59 PM)_sturt_ Wrote:  Mathematicians, what is the probability that a given school will win their division twice over the course of 10 years?... the probability that they will win the 14-team conference over the course of 10 years?

If all teams had equal facilities, fan support, budgets and tradition you would be pointing out something valid. However, they don't, so you're not.

Name a football conference, high school, college or pro, where the number of championships won by the teams are proportional to the number of teams in the conference. You always have dominant teams, middling teams and bad teams and those are usually consistent. In this conference you have middling teams and bad teams only.

(12-09-2018 11:21 AM)banker Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 12:59 PM)_sturt_ Wrote:  Mathematicians, what is the probability that a given school will win their division twice over the course of 10 years?... the probability that they will win the 14-team conference over the course of 10 years?

If all teams had equal facilities, fan support, budgets and tradition you would be pointing out something valid. However, they don't, so you're not.

Name a football conference, high school, college or pro, where the number of championships won by the teams are proportional to the number of teams in the conference. You always have dominant teams, middling teams and bad teams and those are usually consistent. In this conference you have middling teams and bad teams only.

I will say, however, that big budget =/= success among peers. See ODU (no offense) and ECU.

(12-07-2018 03:49 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 04:33 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  Canning Doc, who wins most of the time, for not winning the conference every year or every other year is about as nuts as it gets and I would hope that the herd fans who want that, get exactly what they want, 2 or 3 wins a year again.

Nice Hyperbole. We aren't asking to win it every year or every other year. But I think more than once in ten years is not too much to ask. And I think winning the division more than twice in 10 years is not too much to ask.

So you hope if we change coaches that the Herd only wins 2-3 games a year. Nice to know your spite completely outweighs your desire to see Marshall succeed against anyone except those on the bottom 20 list of FBS football. Position noted.

PS we already have a 3 win season with Doc. He's done that as often as he's won the conference. Suck on that statistic.

Go ahead and launch a campaign to have him booted. Who is going to come here for 800k a year and do better? Its a crap shoot and you know it. Its also a chance that most G5 schools cant afford to take. Yeah he had a 3 win season, surrounded by bowl years. Whatever, attack me if you feel great doing it, doesn't phase me or change reality.

(12-07-2018 03:49 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 04:33 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  Canning Doc, who wins most of the time, for not winning the conference every year or every other year is about as nuts as it gets and I would hope that the herd fans who want that, get exactly what they want, 2 or 3 wins a year again.

Nice Hyperbole. We aren't asking to win it every year or every other year. But I think more than once in ten years is not too much to ask. And I think winning the division more than twice in 10 years is not too much to ask.

So you hope if we change coaches that the Herd only wins 2-3 games a year. Nice to know your spite completely outweighs your desire to see Marshall succeed against anyone except those on the bottom 20 list of FBS football. Position noted.

PS we already have a 3 win season with Doc. He's done that as often as he's won the conference. Suck on that statistic.

BTW, I was referring to Snyder when mentioning 3, 4, 5 win seasons, alot of herd fans have forgotten about that crap. Doc goes 5-7, 7-6, 5-7, 10-3, 14-1, 10-3, 3-9, 8-5, and this year with a chance for 9 wins. Numbers don't matter though, can him, get another Snyder, that's exactly what would happen.

(12-10-2018 10:28 AM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 03:49 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 04:33 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  Canning Doc, who wins most of the time, for not winning the conference every year or every other year is about as nuts as it gets and I would hope that the herd fans who want that, get exactly what they want, 2 or 3 wins a year again.

Nice Hyperbole. We aren't asking to win it every year or every other year. But I think more than once in ten years is not too much to ask. And I think winning the division more than twice in 10 years is not too much to ask.

So you hope if we change coaches that the Herd only wins 2-3 games a year. Nice to know your spite completely outweighs your desire to see Marshall succeed against anyone except those on the bottom 20 list of FBS football. Position noted.

PS we already have a 3 win season with Doc. He's done that as often as he's won the conference. Suck on that statistic.

BTW, I was referring to Snyder when mentioning 3, 4, 5 win seasons, alot of herd fans have forgotten about that crap. Doc goes 5-7, 7-6, 5-7, 10-3, 14-1, 10-3, 3-9, 8-5, and this year with a chance for 9 wins. Numbers don't matter though, can him, get another Snyder, that's exactly what would happen.

Snyder would mop the floor with Doc's record against the same competition. Snyder coached against basically the AAC and much tougher P5 OOC. Snyder had sanctions to deal with the first few years of his career here, rebuilding us to 85 scholarships. Neither one knows how to coach but at least Snyder had been a coordinator. Other than Cato's junior and senior year we've been mediocre against the bottom of FBS football and lost to anyone better than that unless it was in a meaningless bowl. Doc is a fraud.

(12-10-2018 11:08 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(12-10-2018 10:28 AM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 03:49 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 04:33 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  Canning Doc, who wins most of the time, for not winning the conference every year or every other year is about as nuts as it gets and I would hope that the herd fans who want that, get exactly what they want, 2 or 3 wins a year again.

Nice Hyperbole. We aren't asking to win it every year or every other year. But I think more than once in ten years is not too much to ask. And I think winning the division more than twice in 10 years is not too much to ask.

So you hope if we change coaches that the Herd only wins 2-3 games a year. Nice to know your spite completely outweighs your desire to see Marshall succeed against anyone except those on the bottom 20 list of FBS football. Position noted.

PS we already have a 3 win season with Doc. He's done that as often as he's won the conference. Suck on that statistic.

BTW, I was referring to Snyder when mentioning 3, 4, 5 win seasons, alot of herd fans have forgotten about that crap. Doc goes 5-7, 7-6, 5-7, 10-3, 14-1, 10-3, 3-9, 8-5, and this year with a chance for 9 wins. Numbers don't matter though, can him, get another Snyder, that's exactly what would happen.

Snyder would mop the floor with Doc's record against the same competition. Snyder coached against basically the AAC and much tougher P5 OOC. Snyder had sanctions to deal with the first few years of his career here, rebuilding us to 85 scholarships. Neither one knows how to coach but at least Snyder had been a coordinator. Other than Cato's junior and senior year we've been mediocre against the bottom of FBS football and lost to anyone better than that unless it was in a meaningless bowl. Doc is a fraud.

That's a lot of assuming. Doc matched Snyder and outdid him from 2010-2012 and you can include 2013 as well since we still had ECU, Tulsa, Tulane, Rice. UAB, UTEP, added a strong MTSU team that more than replaced Memphis that season. The only big loss we had as a conference at that time was UCF. Doc isn't the best coach, but he isn't the worst either, he has issues recruiting QBs, Snyder could only recruit decent defensive players and ok running backs and even though he was a coordinator, he still couldnt coach worth a flop. I don't recall any game against a P5 that he didn't get blown out in.....Doc beat UL in 2011, beat Maryland in 2013, lost in triple overtime to VT in 2013 as well in a game the refs gave to the hokies, nearly made a magical come back against Purdue in 2012, beat Purdue in 2015, beat the MAC champ NIU in 2014 in a thrashing, beat UConn who had a highly ranked defense in 2015, even while playing mediocre offense, 2016 tanked for whatever reason, 2017 rebounded to beat a top 10 ranked offense in CSU, this year rebounded to beat FIU, FAU. Has there been let downs and head scratchers, sure, VT this year is one of them. Big thing here is, we are getting what we can afford, we are coaching against good coaches at MT, FAU, FIU. If we want to do better than Doc, the fan base is going to have to pony up some cash, even then its still a crap shoot. We could end up like USM, ECU in the never ending search for a coach who is better than the last one. I don't hate Doc or what he is doing overall, get the offense righted next year and some will be back on the wagon while others are going to hate him no matter what he does, because we aren't in the 98 version of the MAC winning 11, 12 games a year. Changes in FBS since that period has been extensive, its not realistic to expect the same results due to it.