Can’t believe Mach doubled down on his lie. As someone who is calling out others for lying I’m shocked he won’t own up to this lie of his but instead doubled down.

(12-03-2018 07:00 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Please stop linking articles from the Federalist. I have shown you it’s the number one outlet for Russian propaganda. Be better.

lol the irony. Please stop posting everything you hear on MSNBC. I'm travelling for work this week and clicked on MSNBC in the hotel. Virtually EVERYTHING you post here was spoken about almost verbatim on MSNBC, with the same opinion and talking points.

The problem with having liars in the media:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl...38826.html

3 pinnochios for WaPo.

(12-03-2018 01:44 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 01:08 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You two understand even asking me that question is deflecting from Trump. No?

Lawdy lawdy lawdy..........................

We're actually asking about your intellectual integrity.

You can continue to evade answering the question directly. That in itself will give us our answer.

So....

(12-04-2018 07:10 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Can’t believe Mach doubled down on his lie. As someone who is calling out others for lying I’m shocked he won’t own up to this lie of his but instead doubled down.

Yeah.

I looked last night and before I screwed up and closed the wrong tab I had found three other times not already covered in this thread he's used a message board as a source in a post.

He should come clean and admit his error before he gets embarrassed and the rest of us have to endure a patented Mach meltdown.

It’s not Mach’s fault. It’s the world’s fault. We live in a cruel cruel world.



And I’m not President. Quit trying to hold me to a higher standard than you do the President.


Sad!

(12-04-2018 08:11 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  It’s not Mach’s fault. It’s the world’s fault. We live in a cruel cruel world.



And I’m not President. Quit trying to hold me to a higher standard than you do the President.


Sad!

But you flat out lied and now trying to deflect because we smooth busted you. But I get it. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

What was your line a while back. I tell the truth even when I lie.

That was scar face......


Classic
Only a seven time nominee golden globe film.....

And winner in sound editing I mind you....


Any self respecting film aficionado would know what I meant

And anyone who’s trying to say only this President lies and making a big deal about it is either a hypocrite or naive.

(12-04-2018 08:35 PM)gdunn Wrote:  And anyone who’s trying to say only this President lies and making a big deal about it is either a hypocrite or naive.

That's what I was thinking. Last 4-5 have been FOS once they get into office. In fact, I would say about 5-10% of politicians aren't totally FOS at this point.

(12-04-2018 08:11 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  It’s not Mach’s fault. It’s the world’s fault. We live in a cruel cruel world.



And I’m not President. Quit trying to hold me to a higher standard than you do the President.


Sad!

I was just asking if YOU think ANY president lying is bad behavior.

The real problem is that America isn't great yet. Back when America was great, certain people could lie to justify killing others. Lie to justify locking them up. We're just not that great yet.

(12-01-2018 10:38 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  They swore an oath to protect America against all enemies foreign and domestic.


I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will ...


These guys know.... these guys know we have a traitor and they swore an oath to defend us.

Yup! Build the damn wall.

More whattabout defenses too. The hallmark of 2nd grade classrooms the nation over. Be better. I refuse to engage in these battles because they are THEE lowest form of discussion. Billy and Barry did it also! Mommy can I have a piece of candy now!!

It’s a circular argument and a blatant deflection.

(12-05-2018 06:22 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  More whattabout defenses too. The hallmark of 2nd grade classrooms the nation over. Be better. I refuse to engage in these battles because they are THE lowest form of discussion. Billy and Barry did it also! Mommy can I have a piece of candy now!!
It’s a circular argument and a blatant deflection.

Your use of the "whataboutism" put-down misunderstands the entire nature of what is being said. It's not, "Billy and Barry did it also! May I have a piece of candy now?" It's, "Bill and Barry did it also! And when they did it, you sat there and attacked those who called them out for it. Now you are on the other side, obviously because it's the other team doing it." It's not mommy that's the problem. It's you.

I remember whenever I called Obama out for a lie, I got the response, "Well, Bush lied about WMDs." I would respond, "Does that mean lying is okay, or does that mean both are wrong?" I don't ever recall getting a response to that one.

"Whataboutism" is not intended to imply that it is OK for Trump (or any other president) to lie. It's to ask where was your indignation when Obama or Clinton did it. It's not to ask, "Mommy can I have a piece of candy now?" It's to ask, "Why didn't you take away Billy's and Barry's candy when they did it?" And make no mistake, you didn't. And you vehemently opposed anyone who said it should have been done.

In case you missed it. I'm not defending Trump. I'm attacking Obama and Clinton for doing the same, or worse. I'm just applying your standard to them.

Mach keeps losing and blaming others. Ballgame folks.

(12-05-2018 06:22 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  More whattabout defenses too. The hallmark of 2nd grade classrooms the nation over. Be better. I refuse to engage in these battles because they are THEE lowest form of discussion. Billy and Barry did it also! Mommy can I have a piece of candy now!!

It’s a circular argument and a blatant deflection.

And there we have our answer, everyone.

Mach refuses to answer on the grounds that it would incriminate him.

Thanks. That's what we were wondering.

It’s simple. Mach is trying to be the one calling out transgressions but retreats and claims whataboutism then uses it to show it’s ok for him to lie he’s not the POTUS. Then ignores a question about all presidents only to say those who use whataboutism are silly geese. Good job. You’ve nailed us all. Including yourself.