Curious thought. Who will hire their next coach first...UNC-C or JMU?

(12-03-2018 02:11 PM)AllForDukes Wrote:  There are a number of bogus assumptions that should really be cleared up.

1. Nobody contacted MH without contacting Jeff Bourne first for permission. It's how things are done. That none of us has been told that is irrelevant.
2. Using a search firm does not drag out the process. In fact, it should help speed things up. The search firm can contact anybody with a hypothetical "would you be interested, and how interested" without causing a problem. Therefore, they can vet candidates much quicker especially when these guys know who is a player and who is not.
3. If MH was a good man, great coach and stand up guy, which all evidence shows me he was, then he still is. He just coaches somewhere else now. That's the way the CFB world works.
4. Emotion has no place in the decision making process for hiring a new coach.
5. Assumptions and conclusions without actual information is perfectly worthless. Use of the words could, would, should are indications that there is no actual information available to the poster.
6. If you feel the need to bash MH or blame EVERYTHING on him then feel free to take that path. For me personally, I appreciate his time at JMU and we all knew we would not be able to keep him for long. I certainly would not have turned down an additional 4 million plus over the next 5 years in favor of the opinions of some butt hurt fans with immature perspectives. Let's show some class, after all we are JMU.

Excellent post.

(12-03-2018 06:48 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 06:44 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 06:22 PM)olddawg Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 06:19 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 05:55 PM)Dignan Wrote:  I can’t detect the snipe.

Seems the tweet has been taken down or something "Page does not exist", what did he say? Just curious.

Their coach said something along the lines that it was a great win over a "healthy" JMU team...

Ah, not much there, that's pretty mild. Especially for the freaking cesspool that is twitter.
I don't recall all that well, but is that some reference to injuries or something the last time they kicked us out?

Pretty sure he was referencing the seeding argument JMU / Houston made ... about UNH being "healthy" when we played them vs when they played others like Maine.

Ah, gotcha. I’ll just give Colgate their due and move on.

We coulda shoulda woulda, but didn’t.

No looking back now. Hope they win it all.

We got beat. End of this story.

(12-03-2018 08:03 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  These UNC-C clowns are still here?

You misspelled UNCCjr.

Just sayin’.

And what secret board is he/she referring to? Isn’t this on CSN like all the rest? Or did I get a secret decoder ring along the way and forgot?!?

(12-03-2018 08:43 PM)formerjmusprinter84 Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 02:11 PM)AllForDukes Wrote:  There are a number of bogus assumptions that should really be cleared up.

1. Nobody contacted MH without contacting Jeff Bourne first for permission. It's how things are done. That none of us has been told that is irrelevant.
2. Using a search firm does not drag out the process. In fact, it should help speed things up. The search firm can contact anybody with a hypothetical "would you be interested, and how interested" without causing a problem. Therefore, they can vet candidates much quicker especially when these guys know who is a player and who is not.
3. If MH was a good man, great coach and stand up guy, which all evidence shows me he was, then he still is. He just coaches somewhere else now. That's the way the CFB world works.
4. Emotion has no place in the decision making process for hiring a new coach.
5. Assumptions and conclusions without actual information is perfectly worthless. Use of the words could, would, should are indications that there is no actual information available to the poster.
6. If you feel the need to bash MH or blame EVERYTHING on him then feel free to take that path. For me personally, I appreciate his time at JMU and we all knew we would not be able to keep him for long. I certainly would not have turned down an additional 4 million plus over the next 5 years in favor of the opinions of some butt hurt fans with immature perspectives. Let's show some class, after all we are JMU.

Great post! I will take three more years of someone just like Mike Houston for our kids and our program.

Excellent post.

(12-03-2018 08:43 PM)formerjmusprinter84 Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 02:11 PM)AllForDukes Wrote:  There are a number of bogus assumptions that should really be cleared up.

1. Nobody contacted MH without contacting Jeff Bourne first for permission. It's how things are done. That none of us has been told that is irrelevant.
2. Using a search firm does not drag out the process. In fact, it should help speed things up. The search firm can contact anybody with a hypothetical "would you be interested, and how interested" without causing a problem. Therefore, they can vet candidates much quicker especially when these guys know who is a player and who is not.
3. If MH was a good man, great coach and stand up guy, which all evidence shows me he was, then he still is. He just coaches somewhere else now. That's the way the CFB world works.
4. Emotion has no place in the decision making process for hiring a new coach.
5. Assumptions and conclusions without actual information is perfectly worthless. Use of the words could, would, should are indications that there is no actual information available to the poster.
6. If you feel the need to bash MH or blame EVERYTHING on him then feel free to take that path. For me personally, I appreciate his time at JMU and we all knew we would not be able to keep him for long. I certainly would not have turned down an additional 4 million plus over the next 5 years in favor of the opinions of some butt hurt fans with immature perspectives. Let's show some class, after all we are JMU.

Excellent post.

Good post.....I don't mind any coach leaving for another opportunity. I do mind it playing out publicly during playoff preparation (not fair to the student-athletes). In hind-sight Jeff Bourne should have probably asked MH to leave and coach with in interim coach to remove the distraction.

I don't wish MH bad or well.....he is just not the JMU coach anymore so I don't really care....it is not like we are 'real' friends so see ya.

Next man up and let's get this process completed quickly.

(12-04-2018 10:11 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 08:43 PM)formerjmusprinter84 Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 02:11 PM)AllForDukes Wrote:  There are a number of bogus assumptions that should really be cleared up.

1. Nobody contacted MH without contacting Jeff Bourne first for permission. It's how things are done. That none of us has been told that is irrelevant.
2. Using a search firm does not drag out the process. In fact, it should help speed things up. The search firm can contact anybody with a hypothetical "would you be interested, and how interested" without causing a problem. Therefore, they can vet candidates much quicker especially when these guys know who is a player and who is not.
3. If MH was a good man, great coach and stand up guy, which all evidence shows me he was, then he still is. He just coaches somewhere else now. That's the way the CFB world works.
4. Emotion has no place in the decision making process for hiring a new coach.
5. Assumptions and conclusions without actual information is perfectly worthless. Use of the words could, would, should are indications that there is no actual information available to the poster.
6. If you feel the need to bash MH or blame EVERYTHING on him then feel free to take that path. For me personally, I appreciate his time at JMU and we all knew we would not be able to keep him for long. I certainly would not have turned down an additional 4 million plus over the next 5 years in favor of the opinions of some butt hurt fans with immature perspectives. Let's show some class, after all we are JMU.

Excellent post.

Good post.....I don't mind any coach leaving for another opportunity. I do mind it playing out publicly during playoff preparation (not fair to the student-athletes). In hind-sight Jeff Bourne should have probably asked MH to leave and coach with in interim coach to remove the distraction.

I don't wish MH bad or well.....he is just not the JMU coach anymore so I don't really care....it is not like we are 'real' friends so see ya.

Next man up and let's get this process completed quickly.

Exactly. Coach Who? I think I will just avoid the football posts until JMU names a new head coach. The whole thing was handled poorly IMHO...my heart aches for the student-athletes....and I am done. Thank heavens it is WBB season!!!!

So UNCC, a "highly coveted" job if you listen to 49ers fan, lands a HC with a 13-21 record. A HC with a 5-6 record in 2017. A HC that didn't beat a single winning team (the 5 teams they beat were a combined 15-37) this past year. A HC that is 0-3 (? quick scan) against playoff teams in his lifetime.

2016 - 0-11 (no wins)
2017 - 8 - 4 (5 wills against teams with losing records; Wins against UT martin who went 6-5, Tenn State went 6-5, and Eastern Ill went 6-5)
2018 - 5 - 6 (all 5 wins to teams with losing records)

So 13 total wins but only 3 wins, in 3 seasons, against teams with winning records. 3!!

UNCC, a coveted job, was filled by an FCS coach with an overall record of 13-21, who has only beat 3 teams with winning records (with players he didn't recruit and had only coached for 1 season).

(12-04-2018 10:49 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  So UNCC, a "highly coveted" job if you listen to 49ers fan, lands a HC with a 13-21 record. A HC with a 5-6 record in 2017. A HC that didn't beat a single winning team (the 5 teams they beat were a combined 15-37) this past year. A HC that is 0-3 (? quick scan) against playoff teams in his lifetime.

2016 - 0-11 (no wins)
2017 - 8 - 4 (5 wills against teams with losing records; Wins against UT martin who went 6-5, Tenn State went 6-5, and Eastern Ill went 6-5)
2018 - 5 - 6 (all 5 wins to teams with losing records)

So 13 total wins but only 3 wins, in 3 seasons, against teams with winning records. 3!!

UNCC, a coveted job, was filled by an FCS coach with an overall record of 13-21, who has only beat 3 teams with winning records (with players he didn't recruit and had only coached for 1 season).

They get the Austin Peay guy?

(12-04-2018 10:53 AM)olddawg Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 10:49 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  So UNCC, a "highly coveted" job if you listen to 49ers fan, lands a HC with a 13-21 record. A HC with a 5-6 record in 2017. A HC that didn't beat a single winning team (the 5 teams they beat were a combined 15-37) this past year. A HC that is 0-3 (? quick scan) against playoff teams in his lifetime.

2016 - 0-11 (no wins)
2017 - 8 - 4 (5 wills against teams with losing records; Wins against UT martin who went 6-5, Tenn State went 6-5, and Eastern Ill went 6-5)
2018 - 5 - 6 (all 5 wins to teams with losing records)

So 13 total wins but only 3 wins, in 3 seasons, against teams with winning records. 3!!

UNCC, a coveted job, was filled by an FCS coach with an overall record of 13-21, who has only beat 3 teams with winning records (with players he didn't recruit and had only coached for 1 season).

They get the Austin Peay guy?

Sounds like it.
https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/stat...d-coach%2F

(12-03-2018 08:25 PM)TheDuke Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 06:58 PM)PSCNiner Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 06:22 PM)TheDuke Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 05:10 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 03:46 PM)Dukester Wrote:  Yep - it was a reality check to all that Sunbelt and CUSA is a step up over JMU even though we were better than any of their team in 2016 and 2017. But FBS > FCS.

Charlotte got the real reality check. They’re not as big of a deal as they think they are when FCS coaches aren’t falling over themselves to get hired there.

Not everyone is Everett Withers: hitching the first train out of town.

Also just in terms of measuring a program's quality, have you all noticed the comments on here from ECU fans after Houston was announced compared to the comments from Charlotte fans during the rumor period? Night and day difference.

ECU fans were empathetic, had positive things to say about Houston and JMU, and were largely here to talk football. Much respect to ECU for that. I said from the beginning I wouldn't fault Houston for taking the ECU job and their fans have only confirmed my beliefs.

On the other hand, Charlotte fans came here to immediately talk trash and gloat about stealing our coach. Trash fans are an indicator of a trash program. Team, conference, and paycheck aside, Houston made the right move just to avoid those 49er dirtbags. I'm glad they got screwed in the end.

What a load of crap. Please show me where Charlotte fans did that. All I saw was immediate trashing of Charlotte by JMU fans saying how it made no sense that he would go to such a "garbage" team like Charlotte. Clearly, he was close to doing just that.

I can't remember but I think the first Charlotte fan to post actually wasn't talking trash but as the posts went on he started to. And he very well could have been defending himself and that's totally reasonable if so.

But I'll give you one example, wh49er came in and posted right when it broke and said something like: I'm just here for the meltdown lol

Sounds like an a$$ coming to gloat to me. There were plenty of others as well. I still haven't seen any ECU fans doing that.

So in response we called him and the program garbage. There were others but I don't feel like reading all of your trash talk again. It's just weird to come and trash talk over hiring another program's coach. I'm not sure how anyone would consider that a gloat worthy victory.

But in the end I guess wh49er ended up having the meltdown and JMU will be just fine. Our team coming back is stacked and lots of coaches will want this job.

Nope, all good. Best of luck in your coaching search.

(12-04-2018 10:49 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  So UNCC, a "highly coveted" job if you listen to 49ers fan, lands a HC with a 13-21 record. A HC with a 5-6 record in 2017. A HC that didn't beat a single winning team (the 5 teams they beat were a combined 15-37) this past year. A HC that is 0-3 (? quick scan) against playoff teams in his lifetime.

2016 - 0-11 (no wins)
2017 - 8 - 4 (5 wills against teams with losing records; Wins against UT martin who went 6-5, Tenn State went 6-5, and Eastern Ill went 6-5)
2018 - 5 - 6 (all 5 wins to teams with losing records)

So 13 total wins but only 3 wins, in 3 seasons, against teams with winning records. 3!!

UNCC, a coveted job, was filled by an FCS coach with an overall record of 13-21, who has only beat 3 teams with winning records (with players he didn't recruit and had only coached for 1 season).

Glad he is off the board, b/c I see him as a very risky hire, with a pretty unproven track record....who may have issues getting good assistants.

(12-04-2018 10:53 AM)olddawg Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 10:49 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  So UNCC, a "highly coveted" job if you listen to 49ers fan, lands a HC with a 13-21 record. A HC with a 5-6 record in 2017. A HC that didn't beat a single winning team (the 5 teams they beat were a combined 15-37) this past year. A HC that is 0-3 (? quick scan) against playoff teams in his lifetime.

2016 - 0-11 (no wins)
2017 - 8 - 4 (5 wills against teams with losing records; Wins against UT martin who went 6-5, Tenn State went 6-5, and Eastern Ill went 6-5)
2018 - 5 - 6 (all 5 wins to teams with losing records)

So 13 total wins but only 3 wins, in 3 seasons, against teams with winning records. 3!!

UNCC, a coveted job, was filled by an FCS coach with an overall record of 13-21, who has only beat 3 teams with winning records (with players he didn't recruit and had only coached for 1 season).

They get the Austin Peay guy?

Yep... I guess he could be a good fit for them since he’s shown he can at least partly turn around a losing program, although Charlotte isn’t losing nearly as bad as AP was before him. He definitely didn’t look like the best option for our situation imo... Probably not the best for theirs either, but makes a little more sense than for us.

**** Charlotte and all their fans.

**** Dan Hunt.

(12-04-2018 10:11 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 08:43 PM)formerjmusprinter84 Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 02:11 PM)AllForDukes Wrote:  There are a number of bogus assumptions that should really be cleared up.

1. Nobody contacted MH without contacting Jeff Bourne first for permission. It's how things are done. That none of us has been told that is irrelevant.
2. Using a search firm does not drag out the process. In fact, it should help speed things up. The search firm can contact anybody with a hypothetical "would you be interested, and how interested" without causing a problem. Therefore, they can vet candidates much quicker especially when these guys know who is a player and who is not.
3. If MH was a good man, great coach and stand up guy, which all evidence shows me he was, then he still is. He just coaches somewhere else now. That's the way the CFB world works.
4. Emotion has no place in the decision making process for hiring a new coach.
5. Assumptions and conclusions without actual information is perfectly worthless. Use of the words could, would, should are indications that there is no actual information available to the poster.
6. If you feel the need to bash MH or blame EVERYTHING on him then feel free to take that path. For me personally, I appreciate his time at JMU and we all knew we would not be able to keep him for long. I certainly would not have turned down an additional 4 million plus over the next 5 years in favor of the opinions of some butt hurt fans with immature perspectives. Let's show some class, after all we are JMU.

Excellent post.

Good post.....I don't mind any coach leaving for another opportunity. I do mind it playing out publicly during playoff preparation (not fair to the student-athletes). In hind-sight Jeff Bourne should have probably asked MH to leave and coach with in interim coach to remove the distraction.

I don't wish MH bad or well.....he is just not the JMU coach anymore so I don't really care....it is not like we are 'real' friends so see ya.

Next man up and let's get this process completed quickly.

If Bourne had done that, guess what? You still have a huge distraction. That huge distraction wasn't going away no matter what, once the cat was out of the bag.

(12-03-2018 08:18 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 08:10 PM)olddawg Wrote:  I would think the UNCC angst would be directed towards ECU ( and their weird boards). They pulled the power move on you guys.

I don't blame ECU for going for a coach they want and I wish JMU good luck in the future. We can agree that Boneyard Banter is the worst message board on the interwebs.

Apparently you haven’t seen the UVA board.

I for one was annoyed that Houston was going to go to UNCC, and I admit that UNCC posters annoyed me for a few days but I kind of agree that our posters started the pissing contests by being so dismissive of them when we didn’t want to believe it. I believe I said something dismissive myself when it seemed like a crazy rumor. I have nothing against UNCC, used to live close by in University City myself.

(12-04-2018 02:14 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 10:11 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 08:43 PM)formerjmusprinter84 Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 02:11 PM)AllForDukes Wrote:  There are a number of bogus assumptions that should really be cleared up.

1. Nobody contacted MH without contacting Jeff Bourne first for permission. It's how things are done. That none of us has been told that is irrelevant.
2. Using a search firm does not drag out the process. In fact, it should help speed things up. The search firm can contact anybody with a hypothetical "would you be interested, and how interested" without causing a problem. Therefore, they can vet candidates much quicker especially when these guys know who is a player and who is not.
3. If MH was a good man, great coach and stand up guy, which all evidence shows me he was, then he still is. He just coaches somewhere else now. That's the way the CFB world works.
4. Emotion has no place in the decision making process for hiring a new coach.
5. Assumptions and conclusions without actual information is perfectly worthless. Use of the words could, would, should are indications that there is no actual information available to the poster.
6. If you feel the need to bash MH or blame EVERYTHING on him then feel free to take that path. For me personally, I appreciate his time at JMU and we all knew we would not be able to keep him for long. I certainly would not have turned down an additional 4 million plus over the next 5 years in favor of the opinions of some butt hurt fans with immature perspectives. Let's show some class, after all we are JMU.

Excellent post.

Good post.....I don't mind any coach leaving for another opportunity. I do mind it playing out publicly during playoff preparation (not fair to the student-athletes). In hind-sight Jeff Bourne should have probably asked MH to leave and coach with in interim coach to remove the distraction.

I don't wish MH bad or well.....he is just not the JMU coach anymore so I don't really care....it is not like we are 'real' friends so see ya.

Next man up and let's get this process completed quickly.

If Bourne had done that, guess what? You still have a huge distraction. That huge distraction wasn't going away no matter what, once the cat was out of the bag.

Maybe/Maybe not.....I know 100% the source of the distraction would not have been front and center. Sure there would he HC speculation but not what it was. And JMU could have publicly started their search. Trust me the players would have seen it as removing the #1 distraction and a HC who was no longer 'All-In' with them.

(12-04-2018 02:14 PM)Dignan Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 08:18 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 08:10 PM)olddawg Wrote:  I would think the UNCC angst would be directed towards ECU ( and their weird boards). They pulled the power move on you guys.

I don't blame ECU for going for a coach they want and I wish JMU good luck in the future. We can agree that Boneyard Banter is the worst message board on the interwebs.

Apparently you haven’t seen the UVA board.

I for one was annoyed that Houston was going to go to UNCC, and I admit that UNCC posters annoyed me for a few days but I kind of agree that our posters started the pissing contests by being so dismissive of them when we didn’t want to believe it. I believe I said something dismissive myself when it seemed like a crazy rumor. I have nothing against UNCC, used to live close by in University City myself.

I've seen UVA's board too, they use the same format. Atrocious!

Shady, I agree. It didn't even have to be done maliciously to Houston. Just be honest. "Coach, we respect you a ton, but feel like this is a big distraction for the team. We're going to ask Bob & Donnie to lead them up at Colgate."

I suspect Bourne considered it momentarily, but didn't think the possible negative perception (to potential coaching candidates) was worth it.

(12-04-2018 02:31 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 02:14 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 10:11 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 08:43 PM)formerjmusprinter84 Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 02:11 PM)AllForDukes Wrote:  There are a number of bogus assumptions that should really be cleared up.

1. Nobody contacted MH without contacting Jeff Bourne first for permission. It's how things are done. That none of us has been told that is irrelevant.
2. Using a search firm does not drag out the process. In fact, it should help speed things up. The search firm can contact anybody with a hypothetical "would you be interested, and how interested" without causing a problem. Therefore, they can vet candidates much quicker especially when these guys know who is a player and who is not.
3. If MH was a good man, great coach and stand up guy, which all evidence shows me he was, then he still is. He just coaches somewhere else now. That's the way the CFB world works.
4. Emotion has no place in the decision making process for hiring a new coach.
5. Assumptions and conclusions without actual information is perfectly worthless. Use of the words could, would, should are indications that there is no actual information available to the poster.
6. If you feel the need to bash MH or blame EVERYTHING on him then feel free to take that path. For me personally, I appreciate his time at JMU and we all knew we would not be able to keep him for long. I certainly would not have turned down an additional 4 million plus over the next 5 years in favor of the opinions of some butt hurt fans with immature perspectives. Let's show some class, after all we are JMU.

Excellent post.

Good post.....I don't mind any coach leaving for another opportunity. I do mind it playing out publicly during playoff preparation (not fair to the student-athletes). In hind-sight Jeff Bourne should have probably asked MH to leave and coach with in interim coach to remove the distraction.

I don't wish MH bad or well.....he is just not the JMU coach anymore so I don't really care....it is not like we are 'real' friends so see ya.

Next man up and let's get this process completed quickly.

If Bourne had done that, guess what? You still have a huge distraction. That huge distraction wasn't going away no matter what, once the cat was out of the bag.

Maybe/Maybe not.....I know 100% the source of the distraction would not have been front and center. Sure there would he HC speculation but not what it was. And JMU could have publicly started their search. Trust me the players would have seen it as removing the #1 distraction and a HC who was no longer 'All-In' with them.

Personally I think it would of been a bigger distraction if Houston left days before a game. Who would be in charge? Bob or Donnie? It would certainly change things for the players.

I'd think the players understand that Houston could leave any year. I don't think they took it as personally as many of the fans. Their focus was on this year's playoffs. Mike was a great head coach. To all the sudden have a interim new coach would of been a major disruption for the team and remaining coaches.

While I wish we had won to play NDSU, I really would of liked to have won to see if Mike would of coached against NDSU.