(10-18-2017 08:11 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 07:55 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  the 'sip is screwed in this scenario.....

Quote:In recent years, a number of areas have introduced delays for such patients - with some told operations will be put back for months, during which time they are expected to try to lose weight or stop smoking.

Mandatory exercise is next.

Sooner or later "the taxpayers" will electronically monitor your feces for bad habits. Be sure you fit your probe tightly each morning or you won't get fixed when you break your arm.

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Mandatory exercise might actually be a good thing.

(12-02-2018 11:41 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 08:11 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 07:55 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  the 'sip is screwed in this scenario.....

Quote:In recent years, a number of areas have introduced delays for such patients - with some told operations will be put back for months, during which time they are expected to try to lose weight or stop smoking.

Mandatory exercise is next.

Sooner or later "the taxpayers" will electronically monitor your feces for bad habits. Be sure you fit your probe tightly each morning or you won't get fixed when you break your arm.

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Mandatory exercise might actually be a good thing.

Do the pushups you owe the state comrade!

How very soviet of you!

(10-18-2017 08:38 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  The biggest problem with single-payer healthcare perfectly illustrated. Decisions about someone's health being made not by the patient or doctor but by some bureaucratic bean-counting panel. Only an absolute idiot would want that for themselves.

Well, in the case of the Dem leadership, they want this for their voters, but NOT for themselves, because they made sure the law doesn't apply to them (they are not on Obissmalcare--they have their own Cadillac plans that are exempt!) Funny thing about that is that the Dem voters still vote for them. Stupid is as stupid does.

(10-18-2017 07:43 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  This is what happens when government offers "free" health care while facing the reality of limited resources.

NHS provokes fury with indefinite surgery ban for smokers and obese

I wonder if these people pay taxes into the system that will now deny them equal access.

So much for health care for all.

Maybe the next step is to eliminate health care for members of the UKIP.

(10-18-2017 08:25 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  During the last 10 years you have had a small but active group of doctors, bureaucrats, and politicians who wanted to classify "gun ownership" as a health concern. At one point they tried to get doctors to ask patients about gun ownership when taking patient histories.

Smokers, obese, gun owners, go to the back of the line for treatment. Not that far-fetched. Bloomberg is probably working on it.

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Every time we take our kids in to the pediatrician, they get asked about gun ownership in the house.

(10-18-2017 08:11 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 07:55 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  the 'sip is screwed in this scenario.....

Quote:In recent years, a number of areas have introduced delays for such patients - with some told operations will be put back for months, during which time they are expected to try to lose weight or stop smoking.

Mandatory exercise is next.

Yep. Standing in front of the telescreen each morning doing the required exercises while Big Brother counts the cadence. Sometimes I think it's not so bad being older.

(12-02-2018 11:45 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 11:41 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 08:11 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 07:55 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  the 'sip is screwed in this scenario.....

Quote:In recent years, a number of areas have introduced delays for such patients - with some told operations will be put back for months, during which time they are expected to try to lose weight or stop smoking.

Mandatory exercise is next.

Sooner or later "the taxpayers" will electronically monitor your feces for bad habits. Be sure you fit your probe tightly each morning or you won't get fixed when you break your arm.

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Mandatory exercise might actually be a good thing.

Do the pushups you owe the state comrade!

How very soviet of you!

Funny. I've done plenty of pushups for this country.

(12-03-2018 12:34 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 07:43 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  This is what happens when government offers "free" health care while facing the reality of limited resources.

NHS provokes fury with indefinite surgery ban for smokers and obese

I wonder if these people pay taxes into the system that will now deny them equal access.

So much for health care for all.

Maybe the next step is to eliminate health care for members of the UKIP.

That's funny now, but I could easily see one day those with "unhealthy viewpoints" having care denied due to the good of the state

(12-03-2018 07:46 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 12:34 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 07:43 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  This is what happens when government offers "free" health care while facing the reality of limited resources.
NHS provokes fury with indefinite surgery ban for smokers and obese
I wonder if these people pay taxes into the system that will now deny them equal access.

So much for health care for all.
Maybe the next step is to eliminate health care for members of the UKIP.

That's funny now, but I could easily see one day those with "unhealthy viewpoints" having care denied due to the good of the state

Actually, that's more scary than funny now. And your easily seen scenario is more likely than not. Once Big Brother controls your health, he has you right where he wants you.

(10-18-2017 08:11 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 07:55 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  the 'sip is screwed in this scenario.....

Quote:In recent years, a number of areas have introduced delays for such patients - with some told operations will be put back for months, during which time they are expected to try to lose weight or stop smoking.

Mandatory exercise is next.

Sooner or later "the taxpayers" will electronically monitor your feces for bad habits. Be sure you fit your probe tightly each morning or you won't get fixed when you break your arm.

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And that will just be the start.

You can BET that if government is going to be the one "providing", they'll be the ones setting the rules.

Mandatory exercise leads to a mandatory food plans which lead to mandatory lifestyle "options", and so on.

Wouldn't be a bit surprised if they eventually got to the point where areas deemed to be "healthy living territories" and unless people are within those areas, they will be limited in their "coverages"....

(12-03-2018 08:23 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 08:11 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 07:55 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  the 'sip is screwed in this scenario.....

Quote:In recent years, a number of areas have introduced delays for such patients - with some told operations will be put back for months, during which time they are expected to try to lose weight or stop smoking.

Mandatory exercise is next.
Sooner or later "the taxpayers" will electronically monitor your feces for bad habits. Be sure you fit your probe tightly each morning or you won't get fixed when you break your arm.
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And that will just be the start.
You can BET that if government is going to be the one "providing", they'll be the ones setting the rules.
Mandatory exercise leads to a mandatory food plans which lead to mandatory lifestyle "options", and so on.
Wouldn't be a bit surprised if they eventually got to the point where areas deemed to be "healthy living territories" and unless people are within those areas, they will be limited in their "coverages"....

As Ronald Reagan predicted, we will reach the point where, "everything that isn't mandatory will be prohibited."

(12-03-2018 08:28 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 08:23 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 08:11 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 07:55 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  the 'sip is screwed in this scenario.....

Quote:In recent years, a number of areas have introduced delays for such patients - with some told operations will be put back for months, during which time they are expected to try to lose weight or stop smoking.

Mandatory exercise is next.
Sooner or later "the taxpayers" will electronically monitor your feces for bad habits. Be sure you fit your probe tightly each morning or you won't get fixed when you break your arm.
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And that will just be the start.
You can BET that if government is going to be the one "providing", they'll be the ones setting the rules.
Mandatory exercise leads to a mandatory food plans which lead to mandatory lifestyle "options", and so on.
Wouldn't be a bit surprised if they eventually got to the point where areas deemed to be "healthy living territories" and unless people are within those areas, they will be limited in their "coverages"....

As Ronald Reagan predicted, we will reach the point where, "everything that isn't mandatory will be prohibited."

"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is a government big enough to take away everything you have." Ronald Reagan

(10-18-2017 09:04 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  We spend twice as much of our GDP towards healthcare as the British and they still outlive us by 2 years.

USA spends 17% of its GDP towards healthcare
UK spends 9% of its GDP towards healthcare

Illegal immigration is playing a part in those statistics by driving up the cost of our healthcare and at the same time lowering our life expectancy. Kate Steinle (for example) didn't have to die so young.

(12-03-2018 10:51 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 09:04 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  We spend twice as much of our GDP towards healthcare as the British and they still outlive us by 2 years.

USA spends 17% of its GDP towards healthcare
UK spends 9% of its GDP towards healthcare

Illegal immigration is playing a part in those statistics by driving up the cost of our healthcare and at the same time lowering our life expectancy. Kate Steinle (for example) didn't have to die so young.

Funny how when our young women are shot to death by illegals, democrats dont give a sh*t.

But mail the democrats some fake bomb dildos, and they freak the f*ck out.

(10-18-2017 08:47 AM)q5sys Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 08:38 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Only an absolute idiot would want that for themselves.

It's amazing the things people will accept as long as 'they don't have to pay for it'

The irony is that in most cases they will be paying for it through taxes. Granted those completely living off the government tit wont be paying, but lets face it... they already are getting free health care... the rest of us are paying for it already.

I bookmarked this article the day I read it. It's beautiful!

Obamacare’s winners and losers in Bay Area
By TRACY SEIPEL | tseipel@bayareanewsgroup.com | Bay Area News Group
PUBLISHED: October 5, 2013 at 10:52 am | UPDATED: August 12, 2016 at 11:18 am

Quote:Cindy Vinson and Tom Waschura are big believers in the Affordable Care Act. They vote independent and are proud to say they helped elect and re-elect President Barack Obama.

Good Libs, i.e. blindly following policy even when the eventual outcome was explained.

Quote:Yet, like many other Bay Area residents who pay for their own medical insurance, they were floored last week when they opened their bills: Their policies were being replaced with pricier plans that conform to all the requirements of the new health care law.

Yep. We told you so. Keep your plan? Ha! Costs $2,500/yr less? Ha!

Quote:“I was laughing at Boehner — until the mail came today,” Waschura said, referring to House Speaker John Boehner, who is leading the Republican charge to defund Obamacare.

“I really don’t like the Republican tactics, but at least now I can understand why they are so pissed about this. When you take $10,000 out of my family’s pocket each year, that’s otherwise disposable income or retirement savings that will not be going into our local economy.”

Those nasty, ol' Republicans. I hate 'em! But, darn it, they were right.

And here's the kicker...

Quote:“Of course, I want people to have health care,” Vinson said. “I just didn’t realize I would be the one who was going to pay for it personally.”

Ta-da! There it is. Liberal socialism in all it's glory!

Gimme handouts! Gimme freebies! Take the money from the rich! Wait, what? You're taking MY money? Well, that changes things!




Oh, and whoever it was that corrected my use of "ObamaCare" rather than the ACT... this is liberal paper from a liberal community. Take it up with them.

(10-18-2017 08:38 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  The biggest problem with single-payer healthcare perfectly illustrated. Decisions about someone's health being made not by the patient or doctor but by some bureaucratic bean-counting panel. Only an absolute idiot would want that for themselves.

Death Panels.

We were told there would be no such thing.

Of course, we knew they were lying.

(12-02-2018 11:41 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 08:11 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 07:55 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  the 'sip is screwed in this scenario.....

Quote:In recent years, a number of areas have introduced delays for such patients - with some told operations will be put back for months, during which time they are expected to try to lose weight or stop smoking.

Mandatory exercise is next.

Sooner or later "the taxpayers" will electronically monitor your feces for bad habits. Be sure you fit your probe tightly each morning or you won't get fixed when you break your arm.

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Mandatory exercise might actually be a good thing.

As a kid in school during the 70s and 80s I recall P.E. actually meant Physical Exercise.

I don't know what it means today.

(12-03-2018 12:35 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 08:25 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  During the last 10 years you have had a small but active group of doctors, bureaucrats, and politicians who wanted to classify "gun ownership" as a health concern. At one point they tried to get doctors to ask patients about gun ownership when taking patient histories.

Smokers, obese, gun owners, go to the back of the line for treatment. Not that far-fetched. Bloomberg is probably working on it.

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Every time we take our kids in to the pediatrician, they get asked about gun ownership in the house.

Seriously?

I'd find a new pediatrician.

(12-03-2018 10:51 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 09:04 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  We spend twice as much of our GDP towards healthcare as the British and they still outlive us by 2 years.

USA spends 17% of its GDP towards healthcare
UK spends 9% of its GDP towards healthcare

Illegal immigration is playing a part in those statistics by driving up the cost of our healthcare and at the same time lowering our life expectancy. Kate Steinle (for example) didn't have to die so young.

And the guy that killed her shouldn't have been getting health care coverage on our dime.

(12-03-2018 01:16 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 08:38 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  The biggest problem with single-payer healthcare perfectly illustrated. Decisions about someone's health being made not by the patient or doctor but by some bureaucratic bean-counting panel. Only an absolute idiot would want that for themselves.

Death Panels.

We were told there would be no such thing.

Of course, we knew they were lying.

Israel do have single payer health care system. Do they have death panels? Do they have other issues? We should look at other countries that a single payer system works, and compare them to the ones that do not.