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Health Care Rationing - umbluegray - 10-18-2017 07:43 AM
This is what happens when government offers "free" health care while facing the reality of limited resources.
NHS provokes fury with indefinite surgery ban for smokers and obese
I wonder if these people pay taxes into the system that will now deny them equal access.
RE: Health Care Rationing - stinkfist - 10-18-2017 07:55 AM
the 'sip is screwed in this scenario.....
Quote:In recent years, a number of areas have introduced delays for such patients - with some told operations will be put back for months, during which time they are expected to try to lose weight or stop smoking.
RE: Health Care Rationing - ark30inf - 10-18-2017 08:11 AM
(10-18-2017 07:55 AM)stinkfist Wrote: the 'sip is screwed in this scenario.....Mandatory exercise is next.
Quote:In recent years, a number of areas have introduced delays for such patients - with some told operations will be put back for months, during which time they are expected to try to lose weight or stop smoking.
Sooner or later "the taxpayers" will electronically monitor your feces for bad habits. Be sure you fit your probe tightly each morning or you won't get fixed when you break your arm.
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RE: Health Care Rationing - UofMstateU - 10-18-2017 08:13 AM
bwahahahahahahaha
BUT MUH FREE SH*T!
RE: Health Care Rationing - stinkfist - 10-18-2017 08:15 AM
(10-18-2017 08:11 AM)ark30inf Wrote:(10-18-2017 07:55 AM)stinkfist Wrote: the 'sip is screwed in this scenario.....Mandatory exercise is next.
Quote:In recent years, a number of areas have introduced delays for such patients - with some told operations will be put back for months, during which time they are expected to try to lose weight or stop smoking.
Sooner or later "the taxpayers" will electronically monitor your feces for bad habits. Be sure you fit your probe tightly each morning or you won't get fixed when you break your arm.
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they don't want my most recent stool sample.....it was a 'wholly roller'....
Health Care Rationing - ark30inf - 10-18-2017 08:25 AM
During the last 10 years you have had a small but active group of doctors, bureaucrats, and politicians who wanted to classify "gun ownership" as a health concern. At one point they tried to get doctors to ask patients about gun ownership when taking patient histories.
Smokers, obese, gun owners, go to the back of the line for treatment. Not that far-fetched. Bloomberg is probably working on it.
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RE: Health Care Rationing - Kaplony - 10-18-2017 08:38 AM
The biggest problem with single-payer healthcare perfectly illustrated. Decisions about someone's health being made not by the patient or doctor but by some bureaucratic bean-counting panel. Only an absolute idiot would want that for themselves.
RE: Health Care Rationing - q5sys - 10-18-2017 08:47 AM
(10-18-2017 08:38 AM)Kaplony Wrote: Only an absolute idiot would want that for themselves.
It's amazing the things people will accept as long as 'they don't have to pay for it'
The irony is that in most cases they will be paying for it through taxes. Granted those completely living off the government tit wont be paying, but lets face it... they already are getting free health care... the rest of us are paying for it already.
RE: Health Care Rationing - bullet - 10-18-2017 08:50 AM
(10-18-2017 08:25 AM)ark30inf Wrote: During the last 10 years you have had a small but active group of doctors, bureaucrats, and politicians who wanted to classify "gun ownership" as a health concern. At one point they tried to get doctors to ask patients about gun ownership when taking patient histories.
Smokers, obese, gun owners, go to the back of the line for treatment. Not that far-fetched. Bloomberg is probably working on it.
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Our kids get asked about gun ownership at the pediatrician.
RE: Health Care Rationing - fsquid - 10-18-2017 08:54 AM
Problem is, no one marches items like this when they go on the various panel shows. If the GOP was smart, they would take this article and put leadership people on every Sunday show this weekend. Of course we are 4 days away and that is a lifetime in the current climate.
RE: Health Care Rationing - Marc Mensa - 10-18-2017 09:04 AM
We spend twice as much of our GDP towards healthcare as the British and they still outlive us by 2 years.
USA spends 17% of its GDP towards healthcare
UK spends 9% of its GDP towards healthcare
RE: Health Care Rationing - Kaplony - 10-18-2017 09:17 AM
(10-18-2017 09:04 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote: We spend twice as much of our GDP towards healthcare as the British and they still outlive us by 2 years.
USA spends 17% of its GDP towards healthcare
UK spends 9% of its GDP towards healthcare
Evidently the reason they spend less than us is the fact that bean counters make decisions on what money gets spent, not doctors.
I prefer my medical decisions to be made by me and my physicians, not some unelected bureaucrat looking at a ledger sheet instead of a medical chart.
RE: Health Care Rationing - umbluegray - 10-18-2017 09:18 AM
(10-18-2017 08:38 AM)Kaplony Wrote: The biggest problem with single-payer healthcare perfectly illustrated. Decisions about someone's health being made not by the patient or doctor but by some bureaucratic bean-counting panel. Only an absolute idiot would want that for themselves.
Remember the daze when ObamaCare was trying to garner support for passage? The GOP argued that health care would be rationed.
The Dems belittled the argument by claiming the GOP was warning of Death Panels.
Well, again...
RE: Health Care Rationing - bullet - 10-18-2017 09:40 AM
(10-18-2017 09:17 AM)Kaplony Wrote:(10-18-2017 09:04 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote: We spend twice as much of our GDP towards healthcare as the British and they still outlive us by 2 years.
USA spends 17% of its GDP towards healthcare
UK spends 9% of its GDP towards healthcare
Evidently the reason they spend less than us is the fact that bean counters make decisions on what money gets spent, not doctors.
I prefer my medical decisions to be made by me and my physicians, not some unelected bureaucrat looking at a ledger sheet instead of a medical chart.
They spend a lot less on Democratic tort lawyers.
They spend a lot less on CYA tests to fend off Democratic tort lawyers.
They also let us spend all the money on drug research and fund it through our drug costs.
They have death panels or its equivalent while we spend most of our health dollars on the last few months of life.
RE: Health Care Rationing - UofMstateU - 10-18-2017 09:44 AM
Sounds like Mensa is for tort reform. Who knew?
RE: Health Care Rationing - umbluegray - 10-18-2017 09:45 AM
(10-18-2017 09:40 AM)bullet Wrote:(10-18-2017 09:17 AM)Kaplony Wrote:(10-18-2017 09:04 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote: We spend twice as much of our GDP towards healthcare as the British and they still outlive us by 2 years.
USA spends 17% of its GDP towards healthcare
UK spends 9% of its GDP towards healthcare
Evidently the reason they spend less than us is the fact that bean counters make decisions on what money gets spent, not doctors.
I prefer my medical decisions to be made by me and my physicians, not some unelected bureaucrat looking at a ledger sheet instead of a medical chart.
They spend a lot less on Democratic tort lawyers.
They spend a lot less on CYA tests to fend off Democratic tort lawyers.
They also let us spend all the money on drug research and fund it through our drug costs.
They have death panels or its equivalent while we spend most of our health dollars on the last few months of life.
Valid points.
RE: Health Care Rationing - EverRespect - 10-18-2017 10:11 AM
(10-18-2017 08:11 AM)ark30inf Wrote:And it isn't going to save them a dime because, eventually, be it at 50 or 90, everyone is going to get sick and die.(10-18-2017 07:55 AM)stinkfist Wrote: the 'sip is screwed in this scenario.....Mandatory exercise is next.
Quote:In recent years, a number of areas have introduced delays for such patients - with some told operations will be put back for months, during which time they are expected to try to lose weight or stop smoking.
Sooner or later "the taxpayers" will electronically monitor your feces for bad habits. Be sure you fit your probe tightly each morning or you won't get fixed when you break your arm.
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RE: Health Care Rationing - Owl 69/70/75 - 10-18-2017 10:54 AM
(10-18-2017 09:04 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote: We spend twice as much of our GDP towards healthcare as the British and they still outlive us by 2 years.
USA spends 17% of its GDP towards healthcare
UK spends 9% of its GDP towards healthcare
But that's not because older Brits get better care. They don't. It's because fewer die young. The one advantage of universal care is that some basic level of care benefits everyone. It's cheaper to give everyone a tetanus shot that to perform some exotic heart surgeries. And from a statistical standpoint, the population is better off as a whole. But that's of little use to the guy with the heart attack.
RE: Health Care Rationing - Ohio Poly - 12-02-2018 10:23 PM
OCASIO-CORTEZ BLASTS FOR-PROFIT 'DEATH PANELS' IN RESPONSE TO CRITICISM OF SOCIAL HEALTHCARE
https://www.newsweek.com/ocasio-cortez-blasts-profit-death-panels-response-criticism-social-healthcare-1240397
RE: Health Care Rationing - Kaplony - 12-02-2018 10:46 PM
(12-02-2018 10:23 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote: OCASIO-CORTEZ BLASTS FOR-PROFIT 'DEATH PANELS' IN RESPONSE TO CRITICISM OF SOCIAL HEALTHCARE
https://www.newsweek.com/ocasio-cortez-blasts-profit-death-panels-response-criticism-social-healthcare-1240397
Is the Medicare for all the same Medicare that refused to pay for my Grandfather's cancer treatment? The one we ended up paying for as a family and extended his life? If so it seems your little socialist nitwit prefers her very real death panels over the fake ones she's bringing up.