(11-23-2018 10:24 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(11-23-2018 08:58 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  The climate is always changing, it is a cyclical thing. We are going cooler now with no sunspots..


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That's my take. The climate is changing....and has been since the dawn of time.
Medieval Warming Period followed by the Little Ice Age anyone? Man those middle ages folks sure must've been burning fossil fuels like crazy to affect the climate like they must've. Not.

I hypsithermal with yah. These dummies obviously dont

(11-24-2018 09:38 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 01:09 AM)banker Wrote:  It took tens of thousands of years for the population of the world to reach 1 billion in approximately 1804. From there it took 123 more years to,get to 2 billion, only 33 years to get to 3 billion, and now we add a billion about every 10-12 years. We'll most likely cap out around 10-11 billion by 2050. The reason we will cap out is because we won't be able to feed any more than that.

Number most people don't know. Humans kill 56,000,000,000 animals every year for food. We don't have suitable grazing lands or enough land to grow feed for twice that amount. As population expands it reduces the area to grow food, and as population increases it requires more food. That's a tough problem to solve.

I believe the planet, to operate at an optimal level, really shouldn't have more than 3 billion humans living on it. People can worry about climate change all they want, there is simply no solution and completely changing everything to buy an extra 20-30 years is a waste. Unless you mandate no cars, no electricity, and everyone has to grow their own gardens, that's about all the difference you can make.

We aren't going to kill the planet, the planet will kill us and put itself back in equilibrium, so don't sweat it.

Great facts and logic. In particular, the last sentence. The planet has already experienced "population control" in the form of pandemics. At the rate we're going with human density and connectivity via world travel systems it would not be a shock at all if a new disease or virus made an outbreak. That said, I believe mass starvation and civil wars (over food and land) are more likely. It's amazing the amount of land we have here in the United States dedicated to the production of food. That may prove to be one of our strongest assets in the coming decades. Of course, my Christian faith tells me the Creator Lord God will determine all things with the planet according to his perfect will and timing so that is my hope and comfort.

What's even more amazing to me is the amount of land we have that sits idle. Just get out and drive out of the cities and there's uncultivated uninhabited land everywhere.

(11-23-2018 03:49 PM)VA49er Wrote:  lol at the part insinuating it was released on Friday on purpose due people being distracted. No political bias here.

TDS.

(11-23-2018 04:27 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  I agree that climate change is actually happening. Now, what's the plan to fix the problem. I see plenty of articles talking about the problem. But none with actual solutions. No articles on rapid desalination, and No articles on terraforming deserts.

There was a National Geographic article that said people's opinions tended to fall on how they felt about petroleum. Naturally the cult of climate change wants to attack fossil fuels, the Great Satan. Nothing about what you are talking about. And they continue to subsidize coastal development, which if they really "believed," would be the first thing because these reports say sea levels will rise no matter what we do.

(11-23-2018 05:03 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Neither are there any articles to aggressively remove CO2 from being introduced by heavily incentivizing power companies to go nuclear because it’s the only alternative power source that can keep up with our growing energy needs...

And Germany, one of the greenest nations, is phasing out their nuclear power. Too dangerous.

(11-23-2018 05:45 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-23-2018 04:27 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  I agree that climate change is actually happening. Now, what's the plan to fix the problem. I see plenty of articles talking about the problem. But none with actual solutions. No articles on rapid desalination, and No articles on terraforming deserts.

We're blaming human activity, but I see nobody suggestion (seriously) that we limit population growth

Or any effort to curb it in the rapidly developing 40% of the population in China and India, let alone the 20% in Africa and the Middle East.

(11-23-2018 11:39 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-23-2018 05:48 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  So the solution is to TAX fossil fuels to drive up energy costs, and this will help the poor how? I fail to see how $500/mo. electricity bills and $8/gallon gasoline helps anyone, but the idiots who want carbon credits traded as a commodity.

Well, duh.

So they can burn coal, clear cut sources like the jungles and old growth forests, but put baddies like oil and nat gas out of business.

You know, send us ALL back to the stone ages (to paraphrase Crazy Uncle Joe).

They have no solutions, just bitching and moaning,

Maybe a sweet bikelock to the head on a quiet Sunday morn...

Frauds.

Their solution is to cost the economy hundreds of billions now, so that we will be financially incapable of handling change when and if it comes.

(11-23-2018 11:42 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

(11-23-2018 10:24 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(11-23-2018 08:58 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  The climate is always changing, it is a cyclical thing. We are going cooler now with no sunspots..


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That's my take. The climate is changing....and has been since the dawn of time.
Medieval Warming Period followed by the Little Ice Age anyone? Man those middle ages folks sure must've been burning fossil fuels like crazy to affect the climate like they must've. Not.

Yet another right-wing talking point blown to pieces by peer-reviewed science:

Compared to the changes in the proper ice ages, the so-called Little Ice Age (LIA) is a very short-lived and puny climate and social perturbation. The term was introduced into scientific literature by François E Matthes in 1939 in relation to glacier advances in the Sierra Nevada, California. However, it is somewhat misleading and is open to misuse as it implies much greater similarities to a full ice age than really exist: some climate scientists argue the name should be abandoned (see discussion by Matthews & Briffa 2005).

https://academic.oup.com/astrogeo/articl...17/3074082

Well if it didn't happen, we would all be speaking Norweigian. Instead, the colonization of America was set back 500 years. And due to the cold climate, it took a couple hundred years to take off.

(11-23-2018 09:22 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Trump says no.

#fakescience

Actually, quite a few of us have been saying this was #fakescience long before Trump. That even includes climatologists.

#climateHockeyStick

(11-23-2018 03:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  But hey...lets just keep ignoring it...after all...just a bunch of snooty scientists getting wealthy by lying, AMIRITE?

Quote:A new US government report delivers a dire warning about climate change and its devastating impacts, saying the economy could lose hundreds of billions of dollars -- or, in the worst-case scenario, more than 10% of its GDP -- by the end of the century.

The federally mandated study was supposed to come out in December but was released by the Trump administration on Friday, at a time when many Americans are on a long holiday weekend, distracted by family and shopping.

David Easterling, director of the Technical Support Unit at the NOAA National Centers for Environmental Information, emphasized that there was "no external interference in the report's development." He added that the climate change the Earth is experiencing is unlike any other.

"The global average temperature is much higher and is rising more rapidly than anything modern civilization has experienced, and this warming trend can only be explained by human activities," Easterling said.

Coming from the US Global Change Research Program, a team of 13 federal agencies, the Fourth National Climate Assessment was put together with the help of 1,000 people, including 300 leading scientists, roughly half from outside the government.

Climate change will have dire consequences for US, federal report concludes

Tainted study...

Top Line Claim In Newest Climate Report Relies on Research Tied to Major Dem Donors

(11-27-2018 10:55 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-23-2018 03:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  But hey...lets just keep ignoring it...after all...just a bunch of snooty scientists getting wealthy by lying, AMIRITE?

Quote:A new US government report delivers a dire warning about climate change and its devastating impacts, saying the economy could lose hundreds of billions of dollars -- or, in the worst-case scenario, more than 10% of its GDP -- by the end of the century.

The federally mandated study was supposed to come out in December but was released by the Trump administration on Friday, at a time when many Americans are on a long holiday weekend, distracted by family and shopping.

David Easterling, director of the Technical Support Unit at the NOAA National Centers for Environmental Information, emphasized that there was "no external interference in the report's development." He added that the climate change the Earth is experiencing is unlike any other.

"The global average temperature is much higher and is rising more rapidly than anything modern civilization has experienced, and this warming trend can only be explained by human activities," Easterling said.

Coming from the US Global Change Research Program, a team of 13 federal agencies, the Fourth National Climate Assessment was put together with the help of 1,000 people, including 300 leading scientists, roughly half from outside the government.

Climate change will have dire consequences for US, federal report concludes

Tainted study...

Top Line Claim In Newest Climate Report Relies on Research Tied to Major Dem Donors

Michael Bastasch is a reporter for the Daily Caller News Foundation

Translation: I'm not a climate scientist, but I'm going to tell you about climate science.

Bottom line, thank God someone is funding these vital studies! We sure as hell can't rely on our tainted president.

(11-27-2018 11:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 10:55 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-23-2018 03:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  But hey...lets just keep ignoring it...after all...just a bunch of snooty scientists getting wealthy by lying, AMIRITE?

Quote:A new US government report delivers a dire warning about climate change and its devastating impacts, saying the economy could lose hundreds of billions of dollars -- or, in the worst-case scenario, more than 10% of its GDP -- by the end of the century.

The federally mandated study was supposed to come out in December but was released by the Trump administration on Friday, at a time when many Americans are on a long holiday weekend, distracted by family and shopping.

David Easterling, director of the Technical Support Unit at the NOAA National Centers for Environmental Information, emphasized that there was "no external interference in the report's development." He added that the climate change the Earth is experiencing is unlike any other.

"The global average temperature is much higher and is rising more rapidly than anything modern civilization has experienced, and this warming trend can only be explained by human activities," Easterling said.

Coming from the US Global Change Research Program, a team of 13 federal agencies, the Fourth National Climate Assessment was put together with the help of 1,000 people, including 300 leading scientists, roughly half from outside the government.

Climate change will have dire consequences for US, federal report concludes

Tainted study...

Top Line Claim In Newest Climate Report Relies on Research Tied to Major Dem Donors

Michael Bastasch is a reporter for the Daily Caller News Foundation

Translation: I'm not a climate scientist, but I'm going to tell you about climate science.

Bottom line, thank God someone is funding these vital studies! We sure as hell can't rely on our tainted president.

And yet you believe any non-scientist who supports the climate change cult.
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/polit...le-pletka/
"It’s hard to find a better illustration of the failure of discourse in the age of Twitter than the punditocracy’s response to the second volume of the fourth National Climate Assessment produced by Donald Trump’s administration. Few news cycles have so clearly demonstrated that narrowness, narcissism, and hysterics are currency, even if that tender is all but worthless in the arena of public affairs.

Volume II of the report was released on the Friday after Thanksgiving. This was taken as a sign that the Trump administration hoped to bury the report and its findings, though few seemed to take much notice of Volume I’s October release date. ...."

(11-27-2018 11:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 10:55 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-23-2018 03:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  But hey...lets just keep ignoring it...after all...just a bunch of snooty scientists getting wealthy by lying, AMIRITE?

Quote:A new US government report delivers a dire warning about climate change and its devastating impacts, saying the economy could lose hundreds of billions of dollars -- or, in the worst-case scenario, more than 10% of its GDP -- by the end of the century.

The federally mandated study was supposed to come out in December but was released by the Trump administration on Friday, at a time when many Americans are on a long holiday weekend, distracted by family and shopping.

David Easterling, director of the Technical Support Unit at the NOAA National Centers for Environmental Information, emphasized that there was "no external interference in the report's development." He added that the climate change the Earth is experiencing is unlike any other.

"The global average temperature is much higher and is rising more rapidly than anything modern civilization has experienced, and this warming trend can only be explained by human activities," Easterling said.

Coming from the US Global Change Research Program, a team of 13 federal agencies, the Fourth National Climate Assessment was put together with the help of 1,000 people, including 300 leading scientists, roughly half from outside the government.

Climate change will have dire consequences for US, federal report concludes

Tainted study...

Top Line Claim In Newest Climate Report Relies on Research Tied to Major Dem Donors

Michael Bastasch is a reporter for the Daily Caller News Foundation

Translation: I'm not a climate scientist, but I'm going to tell you about climate science.

Bottom line, thank God someone is funding these vital studies! We sure as hell can't rely on our tainted president.

You say the president is tainted. On what do you base that claim?
If the president can be tainted, can others be tainted as well?
Could those conducting a study funded by liberals be tainted? Why or why not?

(11-23-2018 10:24 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(11-23-2018 08:58 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  The climate is always changing, it is a cyclical thing. We are going cooler now with no sunspots..


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That's my take. The climate is changing....and has been since the dawn of time.
Medieval Warming Period followed by the Little Ice Age anyone? Man those middle ages folks sure must've been burning fossil fuels like crazy to affect the climate like they must've. Not.

All we need is a super volcano or two to erupt, and BOOM...new ice age with all of the polar ice shelves restored plus some.

(11-27-2018 11:47 AM)bullet Wrote:  And yet you believe any non-scientist who supports the climate change cult.

Perhaps you can show me one instance of where I've done this?

https://nypost.com/2018/11/28/the-media-...te-report/

And the MSM got it all wrong.

"...Among many others, widely quoted climate scientist Michael Mann talked up the report to NPR and CNN, saying its predictions are already borne out in today’s “unprecedented weather extremes.”

Actually, the assessment, and science, tell a different story. “Drought statistics over the entire contiguous US have declined,” the report finds, reminding us that “the Dust Bowl era of the 1930s remains the benchmark drought and extreme heat event.”

On flooding, the assessment accepts the IPCC’s finding, which “did not attribute changes in flooding to anthropogenic [human] influence nor report detectable changes in flooding magnitude, duration or frequency.”

Even more dramatic was CNN’s headline, screaming that “climate change will shrink [US] economy” by 10 percent, a figure also repeated on The New York Times front page.

Actually, the UN’s climate scenarios envision US GDP per capita will more than triple by the end of this century, so this 10 percent reduction would come from an economy 300 percent larger than it is today. A slightly smaller bonanza, in other words.

But the 10 percent figure is itself dodgy. It assumes that temperatures will increase about 14 degrees Fahrenheit by the end of the century. This is unlikely. The US climate assessment itself estimates that, with no significant climate action, American temperatures will increase by between 5 and 8.7 degrees. Using the high estimate of 8.7 degrees, the damage would be only half as big, at 5 percent.

But even the 8.7-degree warming estimate is unrealistically pessimistic. This stems from an extreme high-emission scenario that expects almost the entire world to revert to using massive amounts of coal: a five-fold increase from today.

That, in turn, assumes a much higher amount of fossil fuels than are plausibly available for use, according to one study. Another study likewise found the scenario “exceptionally unlikely....”"

Member when we got out of the Paris accords and it meant the end of the world was happening next week.

(11-29-2018 02:31 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Member when we got out of the Paris accords and it meant the end of the world was happening next week.

Those were the good ol' days.

Climate always changes, it is very cyclical. When I was in college during the 70s we were heading to a 2nd Ice Age. Then came the bogus global warming. Now the nutballs call it climate change to cover their derrières.

The solution in all instances is always the same. More government control. Makes you go hmmmmmm.


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(11-27-2018 01:57 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 11:47 AM)bullet Wrote:  And yet you believe any non-scientist who supports the climate change cult.

Perhaps you can show me one instance of where I've done this?

I'll take it that you can't. Thanks.