(09-27-2018 08:08 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 07:52 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 06:13 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  so this woman went to these frat parties, in which she knew the punch got spiked, saw girls getting gang banged, but kept going back to said parties?

Isn't "the punch" supposed to be "spiked". We called it jungle juice and made it in the tub. Besides who would go to a party that has straight "punch"?

c'mon man, get it right....it was "whoop juice" with bacardi 151 with a bit of 'shine as the majik potion....

You must be country. We used everclear and HiC punch with a lot of fruit floating in it.

(09-27-2018 01:19 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 01:08 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 01:00 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:36 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:29 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  Those on this thread referring to an accused as a “drunk beetch” are indeed trying to dismiss it.

“drunk beetch” or anything like that wasn't in the post you directed your post to. The post that I quoted.
https://csnbbs.com/thread-859070-post-15...id15534270

So for the 4th time I will ask if this was your son and knowing the facts we know. Would you be so willing to trust Mrs. Fords facts as she remembers them? Or the things said by the repeatedly gang rape girl?

A simple yes or no is all that's needed...why is that so hard for you?

Because it’s not as simple as a yes or no. If it were my son in Kavanaugh’s situation, I’d want to hear these women’s stories, and I’d want to hear from those who hung out with my son during that same time, as a parent is it privy to everything. In Kavanaugh’s case, the company he kept doesn’t exactly paint the picture he is trying to present.

appeal to tradition,faulty induction, guilt by association.

If he’s listing the same things in his yearbook alluding to certain behaviors that a friend has listed who has already said he did some bad stuff while drunk, is that not worthy of pause?

Things kids put in their high school yearbook? Do you realize how idiotic that is?

Its almost as idiotic as the media putting out that story when they have no idea what the stuff in the yearbook means. Its just a bunch of leftists coming up with an absurd story.

(09-27-2018 12:02 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Yes, I am very cute, as are my retorts. The south of Memphis is a prostitute and drug haven that is among the worst I have seen in my many travels. Memphis and DC are very different. I like neither, but to claim some sort of Brazilian multiculturalism for South Memphis addresses nothing of the abject poverty of this oh so horrible area. Just sayin'. It is a shithole. I have felt more safe in Central American backwater villages than I did driving back to the airport in the war zone called south Memphis.

(09-27-2018 08:17 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 08:08 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 07:52 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 06:13 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  so this woman went to these frat parties, in which she knew the punch got spiked, saw girls getting gang banged, but kept going back to said parties?

Isn't "the punch" supposed to be "spiked". We called it jungle juice and made it in the tub. Besides who would go to a party that has straight "punch"?

c'mon man, get it right....it was "whoop juice" with bacardi 151 with a bit of 'shine as the majik potion....

You must be country. We used everclear and HiC punch with a lot of fruit floating in it.

PJ man, PJ. Use blue label smirnoff instead of the 151. lots of apples, oranges, and unwrapped double bubble (freeze it first)

(09-27-2018 01:27 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 01:11 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 01:08 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 01:00 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:36 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  “drunk beetch” or anything like that wasn't in the post you directed your post to. The post that I quoted.
https://csnbbs.com/thread-859070-post-15...id15534270

So for the 4th time I will ask if this was your son and knowing the facts we know. Would you be so willing to trust Mrs. Fords facts as she remembers them? Or the things said by the repeatedly gang rape girl?

A simple yes or no is all that's needed...why is that so hard for you?

Because it’s not as simple as a yes or no. If it were my son in Kavanaugh’s situation, I’d want to hear these women’s stories, and I’d want to hear from those who hung out with my son during that same time, as a parent is it privy to everything. In Kavanaugh’s case, the company he kept doesn’t exactly paint the picture he is trying to present.

appeal to tradition,faulty induction, guilt by association.

He was a prep school boy and a member of a fraternity so he MUST have done it.

Again, I’m not saying he’s guilty; but that doesn’t mean the accusers are lying, either.

His buddy who he clearly hung out with has admitted to bad behavior and blackout drunken nights when he didn’t know what he did or didn’t do. Both share little quotes alluding to bad behavior in the yearbook.

Meanwhile, he paints a picture of doing nothing but service projects while all this goes on. Something doesn’t add up. The time needs to be taken to get to the bottom of it.

But a lot of people do have that bigotry and are applying it to this case.

We need to get to the bottom of bad behavior in high school?????? Get real.

On this story, Ford does not have enough specifics to get any further than we are now. She says it happened. Two say it didn't. One said the party never even happened. The fourth has no memory of any such party. The hearing is political show. We won't get any closer to the truth unless Ford breaks down and starts revealing lies.

(09-27-2018 12:02 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 11:52 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 11:41 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 10:56 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 12:26 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  You haven't been paying attention if you don't know why victims don't always report, especially back then.

Yes I remember women reporting it against Bill Clinton. Dragged through the mud by our vaunted mainstream press. And of course Hillary too. If I was a woman I'd think twice about reporting.

As I said multiple times in this thread, I’d hope we’d would learn from past politicians/SC candidates’ behavior & listen to them before making judgement calls. If it were your daughter making these reports, I’d bet you’d think twice before dismissing them.

If it was your son being accused I bet you wouldn't be so quick to believe someone that admits they were drunk. Didn't know who's house. Didn't know how many people were there. Didn't know the month. Didn't know the year.

Why is it only daughters are so special we have to believe them? Especially when they name 3 people that supposedly saw this and none of the three remember it?

If it were my son I would expect him not to be a party to people who did these things, whether or not he was an active participant. If he were drunk and/or involved with these people when they did these things, he’s part of the problem.

Uh huh, sure. It's your son, your momness would kick in and your rational mind would stop working. I've seen it countless times. Dad's aren't quite so eager to commit to the notion that their kid is perfect.

(09-27-2018 12:10 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:09 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:02 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Yes, I am very cute, as are my retorts. The south of Memphis is a prostitute and drug haven that is among the worst I have seen in my many travels. Memphis and DC are very different. I like neither, but to claim some sort of Brazilian multiculturalism for South Memphis addresses nothing of the abject poverty of this oh so horrible area. Just sayin'

The catholic school & the public schools I refer to are not in south Memphis - they’re in one of the most affluent areas of town. Fred Smith of FedEx could walk there from his house.

To equate how it worked in your corner of the world vs. how it works elsewhere is simply a false equivalency. The circles school kids run in are not necessarily beholden to the one place they attend.

Just sayin’.

not in 1985, catholic school kids did not hang out with public school kids. i member. they barely hung out with other catholic school kids from other catholic schools.

if you wanna play the logical fallacy game....im up for it.

argumentum ad passiones

I was just going to call it a strawman but I like yours better.

(09-27-2018 01:56 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 01:46 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 01:35 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 01:31 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 01:27 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  Again, I’m not saying he’s guilty; but that doesn’t mean the accusers are lying, either.

His buddy who he clearly hung out with has admitted to bad behavior and blackout drunken nights when he didn’t know what he did or didn’t do. Both share little quotes alluding to bad behavior in the yearbook.

Meanwhile, he paints a picture of doing nothing but service projects while all this goes on. Something doesn’t add up. The time needs to be taken to get to the bottom of it.

just admit you hate the nominee and you want to stall the process until he buckles or time runs out. thats fair enough.

I don’t hate the nominee per se, and I personally don’t see it dragging out that long - but that doesn’t negate the fact that these women & their accusations need to be taken seriously. if he is guilty he can be removed. if they are lying they can be punished.

that is my argument for the process. so he is confirmed and there is a serious allegation every week for the next ten years. the seriousness of the allegation does not equal credibility.

these accusations waited 36 years and on the eve of confirmation they are suddenly they credible and serious?

or

are the allegations are politically motivated and ginned up to block a nominee.

which one is the more reasonable conclusion?

if he is found guilty, hang him.

By not introducing the accusations during the time of the questioning of Cavanaugh Fienstien is the one who negated the appropriate addressing of these accusations. She violated protocol, did so intentionally in order to make it about a stall tactic instead of the truth, and both sides of the aisle should hold her accountable for playing games with these womens' accusations.

Agreed. I used to have respect for Feinstein. She should be asked to resign.

(09-27-2018 12:12 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:10 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:09 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:02 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Yes, I am very cute, as are my retorts. The south of Memphis is a prostitute and drug haven that is among the worst I have seen in my many travels. Memphis and DC are very different. I like neither, but to claim some sort of Brazilian multiculturalism for South Memphis addresses nothing of the abject poverty of this oh so horrible area. Just sayin'

The catholic school & the public schools I refer to are not in south Memphis - they’re in one of the most affluent areas of town. Fred Smith of FedEx could walk there from his house.

To equate how it worked in your corner of the world vs. how it works elsewhere is simply a false equivalency. The circles school kids run in are not necessarily beholden to the one place they attend.

Just sayin’.

not in 1985

Yes, those schools were in affluent neighborhoods in 1985, and yes, some of those kids ran in the same circles.

link?

(09-27-2018 12:17 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:12 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:10 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:09 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:02 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Yes, I am very cute, as are my retorts. The south of Memphis is a prostitute and drug haven that is among the worst I have seen in my many travels. Memphis and DC are very different. I like neither, but to claim some sort of Brazilian multiculturalism for South Memphis addresses nothing of the abject poverty of this oh so horrible area. Just sayin'

The catholic school & the public schools I refer to are not in south Memphis - they’re in one of the most affluent areas of town. Fred Smith of FedEx could walk there from his house.

To equate how it worked in your corner of the world vs. how it works elsewhere is simply a false equivalency. The circles school kids run in are not necessarily beholden to the one place they attend.

Just sayin’.

not in 1985

Yes, those schools were in affluent neighborhoods in 1985.

wanna play the logical fallacy game?

argumentum ad passiones

i did especially well in philosophy at Memphis State circa 1985. this should be fun. do continue

If you did well in philosophy anywhere at any time my hat's off to you.

(09-27-2018 08:17 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 08:08 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 07:52 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 06:13 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  so this woman went to these frat parties, in which she knew the punch got spiked, saw girls getting gang banged, but kept going back to said parties?

Isn't "the punch" supposed to be "spiked". We called it jungle juice and made it in the tub. Besides who would go to a party that has straight "punch"?

c'mon man, get it right....it was "whoop juice" with bacardi 151 with a bit of 'shine as the majik potion....

You must be country. We used everclear and HiC punch with a lot of fruit floating in it.

lol....I'm adopted "cuntry" from StL....'still' stuck in the 'sip....lol

(09-27-2018 12:24 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:17 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:09 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:02 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Yes, I am very cute, as are my retorts. The south of Memphis is a prostitute and drug haven that is among the worst I have seen in my many travels. Memphis and DC are very different. I like neither, but to claim some sort of Brazilian multiculturalism for South Memphis addresses nothing of the abject poverty of this oh so horrible area. Just sayin'

The catholic school & the public schools I refer to are not in south Memphis - they’re in one of the most affluent areas of town. Fred Smith of FedEx could walk there from his house.

To equate how it worked in your corner of the world vs. how it works elsewhere is simply a false equivalency. The circles school kids run in are not necessarily beholden to the one place they attend.

Just sayin’.

Thanks for the response. One quick question, can you please describe this incredible border crossing of socioeconomic classes that you experience in Memphis? I am very eager to learn about the experience you claim and export it to similar shitholes like Detroit, Gary, IN, and Chicago. Please share your secrets for how such diverse economic classes comingle so us newbs can learn and emulate. I am sure the economic success of Memphis shows great strides from such integration.

I can share my experience as a private school student. I had friends who attended both the worst and best public schools all around town as well as the best and worst private schools, from all parts of town. To say private school kids don’t associate with kids from public school is outright false, period.

That may well be YOUR experience. It certainly wasn't mine.

(09-27-2018 08:33 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:17 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:12 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:10 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:09 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  The catholic school & the public schools I refer to are not in south Memphis - they’re in one of the most affluent areas of town. Fred Smith of FedEx could walk there from his house.

To equate how it worked in your corner of the world vs. how it works elsewhere is simply a false equivalency. The circles school kids run in are not necessarily beholden to the one place they attend.

Just sayin’.

not in 1985

Yes, those schools were in affluent neighborhoods in 1985.

wanna play the logical fallacy game?

argumentum ad passiones

i did especially well in philosophy at Memphis State circa 1985. this should be fun. do continue

If you did well in philosophy anywhere at any time my hat's off to you.

psy301 was my fave first semester.....go figure, eh?

(09-27-2018 12:29 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:26 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:17 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:11 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:02 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  If it were my son I would expect him not to be a party to people who did these things, whether or not he was an active participant. If he were drunk and/or involved with these people when they did these things, he’s part of the problem.

So that just goes for your son and not the daughter? But you still never answered my question on if you would be so quick to believe this if your son was being accused?

BTW according to those that were named by Mrs Ford....the son of Mrs. Kavanaugh wasn't there. Since you say "these things" I assume you also believe the gang raped girl.

Again I ask why do we have believe the things being said are true? Surely you're not suggesting we must believe them just because a female said it?

I’m saying they need to not be automatically discredited as some on here would prefer. I’ve never said that the accusers are 100% right & Kavanaugh is 100% wrong. Take a breath.

Who's dismissing it just because it's a female? I haven't seen that. What I seen is Mrs Ford give conflicting stories. Stories that she cant remember facts to but the facts she seems to recall.....naming 3 people that was supposedly there. Well not one of them backs her up.

Now I think that goes way past simply dismissing because she's a she or someone's daughter.

You still never answered my question. For the 3rd time, if this was your son and knowing the facts we know. Would you be so willing to trust Mrs. Fords facts as she remembers them?

So take a deep breath and look at the facts Mrs Ford has stated (or the ones she's been quoted as saying) and tell me again why Kavanaugh isn't getting the same benefit that you want others to give to Mrs Ford and the gang rape lady?

Those on this thread referring to an accused as a “drunk beetch” are indeed trying to dismiss it.

To answer your question directly, if it were my son, I would certainly take her accusations with sincerity, and want more info from both sides, just as I want now.

I call BS. Mom genes and all that...

(09-27-2018 07:52 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 06:13 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  so this woman went to these frat parties, in which she knew the punch got spiked, saw girls getting gang banged, but kept going back to said parties?

Isn't "the punch" supposed to be "spiked". We called it jungle juice and made it in the tub. Besides who would go to a party that has straight "punch"?

Only people who don't get invited to parties!

(09-27-2018 12:47 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Character assassination is an attempt to tarnish a person's reputation. It may involve exaggeration, misleading half-truths, or manipulation of facts to present an untrue picture of the targeted person. It is a form of defamation and can be a form of ad hominem argument.

let them vote. there is a reason that there is a vote.

if he is confirmed and the accusations are true, then remove him

if the accusations are false let the accusers be punished.

how stupid are people? seriously?

Come on, I'm not the brightest person here but even I can answer that one.

(09-27-2018 08:34 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:24 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:17 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:09 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:02 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Yes, I am very cute, as are my retorts. The south of Memphis is a prostitute and drug haven that is among the worst I have seen in my many travels. Memphis and DC are very different. I like neither, but to claim some sort of Brazilian multiculturalism for South Memphis addresses nothing of the abject poverty of this oh so horrible area. Just sayin'

The catholic school & the public schools I refer to are not in south Memphis - they’re in one of the most affluent areas of town. Fred Smith of FedEx could walk there from his house.

To equate how it worked in your corner of the world vs. how it works elsewhere is simply a false equivalency. The circles school kids run in are not necessarily beholden to the one place they attend.

Just sayin’.

Thanks for the response. One quick question, can you please describe this incredible border crossing of socioeconomic classes that you experience in Memphis? I am very eager to learn about the experience you claim and export it to similar shitholes like Detroit, Gary, IN, and Chicago. Please share your secrets for how such diverse economic classes comingle so us newbs can learn and emulate. I am sure the economic success of Memphis shows great strides from such integration.

I can share my experience as a private school student. I had friends who attended both the worst and best public schools all around town as well as the best and worst private schools, from all parts of town. To say private school kids don’t associate with kids from public school is outright false, period.

That may well be YOUR experience. It certainly wasn't mine.

And these are elite prep schools. Memphis probably mostly just had seg academies, which were nothing more than semi-public schools for whites. I don't know what Tennessee has that is equivalent.

(09-27-2018 12:55 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:32 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:27 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:17 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:12 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  Yes, those schools were in affluent neighborhoods in 1985.

wanna play the logical fallacy game?

argumentum ad passiones

i did especially well in philosophy at Memphis State circa 1985. this should be fun. do continue

You can argue on emotion all you like; I’m sharing facts. Kids from private schools (me) interacted with kids from public schools (my friends) in the late 80’s. Family members of mine did the same during the mid-80’s.

I am arguing on facts. Memphis is as stratified economically as any city I know well. I am asking you for FACTS to prove that the city is more integrated as you claim, and I do not believe.

The fact that I have lived here my entire life save 1 year is all you need to know. I’ve seen and lived exactly what I have described. I’m living proof, as are many other family members and friends. That automatically negates the statement that as a rule private school kids have nothing to do with public school kids. Step out of your bubble.

I can make the same claims basically and draw a different conclusion. One of us is wrong and one is right. Or, maybe we are both right but those conclusions have nothing at all to do with BK. You don't know anything more than myself or anyone else who is not involved.

(09-27-2018 01:02 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:59 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  So you have no media nor government facts to support your assertion, only that you feel that your personal experience shows that your are telling the truth. Thank you for your detailed and collaborated testimony, Dr. Ford. I feel your pain.

LOL. I think we’ve already established that a person’s experience means nothing to you, even when it literally negates the point you are trying to make. Broad brushes don’t work.

And yet there's yours, dripping wet...

(09-27-2018 01:07 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:35 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  And my ultimate point is the left claims to be oh so in touch with those they claim to serve, yet the reality of their upbringing and lives indicate a greater degree of segregation than us common folk experience. Prove me wrong, Hugo Chavez.

You’re speaking to a kid raised in the hood in North Memphis, whose parents stayed there to pay for a private education at an affluent East Memphis school that had kids from all parts of the county, and from there my circle involved kids from public & private schools across the entire city, but yeah, I’m not common folk. OK. Whatever.

BS BS BS. In 1985 there was no part of North Memphis that could be considered the hood. Frayser was still ok then, hell, Raleigh was a desirable area then. Unless you lived near Chelsea and Hollywood you did not live in the hood. Hell, even nutbush then was ok.