(09-27-2018 12:47 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Character assassination is an attempt to tarnish a person's reputation. It may involve exaggeration, misleading half-truths, or manipulation of facts to present an untrue picture of the targeted person. It is a form of defamation and can be a form of ad hominem argument.

let them vote. there is a reason that there is a vote.

if he is confirmed and the accusations are true, then remove him

if the accusations are false let the accusers be punished.

how stupid are people? seriously?

Why vote until these women have been heard & their stories discussed? What’s the rush? Isn’t that what we were told in 2015?

(09-27-2018 12:59 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  So you have no media nor government facts to support your assertion, only that you feel that your personal experience shows that your are telling the truth. Thank you for your detailed and collaborated testimony, Dr. Ford. I feel your pain.

LOL. I think we’ve already established that a person’s experience means nothing to you, even when it literally negates the point you are trying to make. Broad brushes don’t work.

(09-27-2018 01:01 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:47 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Character assassination is an attempt to tarnish a person's reputation. It may involve exaggeration, misleading half-truths, or manipulation of facts to present an untrue picture of the targeted person. It is a form of defamation and can be a form of ad hominem argument.

let them vote. there is a reason that there is a vote.

if he is confirmed and the accusations are true, then remove him

if the accusations are false let the accusers be punished.

how stupid are people? seriously?

Why vote until these women have been heard & their stories discussed? What’s the rush? Isn’t that what we were told in 2015?

Ramirez already said she won’t speak under oath and CPL’s client isnt credible. Try keeping up.

Hearing tomorrow and then we vote. Then the Spin Room pops bottles like it’s 11/8/2016.

If it is your son, you should know you son and his behavior. It is that simple. You gave him the ethics and morals or you did not, unless the kid is a sociopath. So assuming, and reasonably so, you have done your job as a parent, how do your deal with **** allegations of abuse that have no collaboration? Do you play the "let's see" game or do you defend the honor of your child that, apparently, unfortunately, was born with a *****?

(09-27-2018 12:35 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  And my ultimate point is the left claims to be oh so in touch with those they claim to serve, yet the reality of their upbringing and lives indicate a greater degree of segregation than us common folk experience. Prove me wrong, Hugo Chavez.

You’re speaking to a kid raised in the hood in North Memphis, whose parents stayed there to pay for a private education at an affluent East Memphis school that had kids from all parts of the county, and from there my circle involved kids from public & private schools across the entire city, but yeah, I’m not common folk. OK. Whatever.

(09-27-2018 01:00 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:36 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:29 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:26 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:17 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  I’m saying they need to not be automatically discredited as some on here would prefer. I’ve never said that the accusers are 100% right & Kavanaugh is 100% wrong. Take a breath.

Who's dismissing it just because it's a female? I haven't seen that. What I seen is Mrs Ford give conflicting stories. Stories that she cant remember facts to but the facts she seems to recall.....naming 3 people that was supposedly there. Well not one of them backs her up.

Now I think that goes way past simply dismissing because she's a she or someone's daughter.

You still never answered my question. For the 3rd time, if this was your son and knowing the facts we know. Would you be so willing to trust Mrs. Fords facts as she remembers them?

So take a deep breath and look at the facts Mrs Ford has stated (or the ones she's been quoted as saying) and tell me again why Kavanaugh isn't getting the same benefit that you want others to give to Mrs Ford and the gang rape lady?

Those on this thread referring to an accused as a “drunk beetch” are indeed trying to dismiss it.

“drunk beetch” or anything like that wasn't in the post you directed your post to. The post that I quoted.
https://csnbbs.com/thread-859070-post-15...id15534270

So for the 4th time I will ask if this was your son and knowing the facts we know. Would you be so willing to trust Mrs. Fords facts as she remembers them? Or the things said by the repeatedly gang rape girl?

A simple yes or no is all that's needed...why is that so hard for you?

Because it’s not as simple as a yes or no. If it were my son in Kavanaugh’s situation, I’d want to hear these women’s stories, and I’d want to hear from those who hung out with my son during that same time, as a parent is it privy to everything. In Kavanaugh’s case, the company he kept doesn’t exactly paint the picture he is trying to present.

appeal to tradition,faulty induction, guilt by association.

(09-27-2018 01:08 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 01:00 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:36 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:29 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:26 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Who's dismissing it just because it's a female? I haven't seen that. What I seen is Mrs Ford give conflicting stories. Stories that she cant remember facts to but the facts she seems to recall.....naming 3 people that was supposedly there. Well not one of them backs her up.

Now I think that goes way past simply dismissing because she's a she or someone's daughter.

You still never answered my question. For the 3rd time, if this was your son and knowing the facts we know. Would you be so willing to trust Mrs. Fords facts as she remembers them?

So take a deep breath and look at the facts Mrs Ford has stated (or the ones she's been quoted as saying) and tell me again why Kavanaugh isn't getting the same benefit that you want others to give to Mrs Ford and the gang rape lady?

Those on this thread referring to an accused as a “drunk beetch” are indeed trying to dismiss it.

“drunk beetch” or anything like that wasn't in the post you directed your post to. The post that I quoted.
https://csnbbs.com/thread-859070-post-15...id15534270

So for the 4th time I will ask if this was your son and knowing the facts we know. Would you be so willing to trust Mrs. Fords facts as she remembers them? Or the things said by the repeatedly gang rape girl?

A simple yes or no is all that's needed...why is that so hard for you?

Because it’s not as simple as a yes or no. If it were my son in Kavanaugh’s situation, I’d want to hear these women’s stories, and I’d want to hear from those who hung out with my son during that same time, as a parent is it privy to everything. In Kavanaugh’s case, the company he kept doesn’t exactly paint the picture he is trying to present.

appeal to tradition,faulty induction, guilt by association.

He was a prep school boy and a member of a fraternity so he MUST have done it.

That's the mild prejudice.

There there's Hawaii's senator. Some men have done it, so he MUST have done it. And if he didn't, we don't care. He's male. Make him pay.

(09-27-2018 01:07 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:35 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  And my ultimate point is the left claims to be oh so in touch with those they claim to serve, yet the reality of their upbringing and lives indicate a greater degree of segregation than us common folk experience. Prove me wrong, Hugo Chavez.

You’re speaking to a kid raised in the hood in North Memphis, whose parents stayed there to pay for a private education at an affluent East Memphis school that had kids from all parts of the county, and from there my circle involved kids from public & private schools across the entire city, but yeah, I’m not common folk. OK. Whatever.

you arent, you are exceptional despite your tendency for anecdotal fallacies.

(09-27-2018 01:01 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:47 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Character assassination is an attempt to tarnish a person's reputation. It may involve exaggeration, misleading half-truths, or manipulation of facts to present an untrue picture of the targeted person. It is a form of defamation and can be a form of ad hominem argument.

let them vote. there is a reason that there is a vote.

if he is confirmed and the accusations are true, then remove him

if the accusations are false let the accusers be punished.

how stupid are people? seriously?

Why vote until these women have been heard & their stories discussed? What’s the rush? Isn’t that what we were told in 2015?

and there you have it.

(09-27-2018 01:05 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  If it is your son, you should know you son and his behavior. It is that simple. You gave him the ethics and morals or you did not, unless the kid is a sociopath. So assuming, and reasonably so, you have done your job as a parent, how do your deal with **** allegations of abuse that have no collaboration? Do you play the "let's see" game or do you defend the honor of your child that, apparently, unfortunately, was born with a *****?

In the attempt to stay on topic, your daughter has made an accusation against someone. Do you call it **** without waiting to see how the story plays out? I wouldn’t, just like I would wait to hear both sides before blindly defending any actions on my son’s part. Isn’t that what repubs lament these days? The “my kid would NEVER do that” defense?

(09-27-2018 01:13 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 01:01 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:47 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Character assassination is an attempt to tarnish a person's reputation. It may involve exaggeration, misleading half-truths, or manipulation of facts to present an untrue picture of the targeted person. It is a form of defamation and can be a form of ad hominem argument.

let them vote. there is a reason that there is a vote.

if he is confirmed and the accusations are true, then remove him

if the accusations are false let the accusers be punished.

how stupid are people? seriously?

Why vote until these women have been heard & their stories discussed? What’s the rush? Isn’t that what we were told in 2015?

and there you have it.

If “we have an election in less than a year” is a valid reason to hold off on a vote, surely we can agree that something potentially criminal is worth checking out to prior to voting.

(09-27-2018 01:08 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 01:00 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:36 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:29 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:26 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Who's dismissing it just because it's a female? I haven't seen that. What I seen is Mrs Ford give conflicting stories. Stories that she cant remember facts to but the facts she seems to recall.....naming 3 people that was supposedly there. Well not one of them backs her up.

Now I think that goes way past simply dismissing because she's a she or someone's daughter.

You still never answered my question. For the 3rd time, if this was your son and knowing the facts we know. Would you be so willing to trust Mrs. Fords facts as she remembers them?

So take a deep breath and look at the facts Mrs Ford has stated (or the ones she's been quoted as saying) and tell me again why Kavanaugh isn't getting the same benefit that you want others to give to Mrs Ford and the gang rape lady?

Those on this thread referring to an accused as a “drunk beetch” are indeed trying to dismiss it.

“drunk beetch” or anything like that wasn't in the post you directed your post to. The post that I quoted.
https://csnbbs.com/thread-859070-post-15...id15534270

So for the 4th time I will ask if this was your son and knowing the facts we know. Would you be so willing to trust Mrs. Fords facts as she remembers them? Or the things said by the repeatedly gang rape girl?

A simple yes or no is all that's needed...why is that so hard for you?

Because it’s not as simple as a yes or no. If it were my son in Kavanaugh’s situation, I’d want to hear these women’s stories, and I’d want to hear from those who hung out with my son during that same time, as a parent is it privy to everything. In Kavanaugh’s case, the company he kept doesn’t exactly paint the picture he is trying to present.

appeal to tradition,faulty induction, guilt by association.

If he’s listing the same things in his yearbook alluding to certain behaviors that a friend has listed who has already said he did some bad stuff while drunk, is that not worthy of pause?

"Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."
"Ridicule is man's most potent weapon."
"A good tactic is one your people enjoy."
"A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag."
"Keep the pressure on."
"The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition."
"Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."

Thanks for the response, and thanks for a serious conversation. While we disagree, does not mean that I disrespect the dialogue.
Admission, I only have boys, two boys. They have my imprinting, so in many opinions, they are guilty of crimes they have never committed. My mother was raised by grandparents, as her father lived the majority of his life in prison, and my father grew up as an orphan. With that said, I may not be the most sensitive soul with regards to offense or poor optics.

This is why they vote. Let them vote. Let the chips fall where they fall. If he is guilty, punish him. If the accusers are guilty punish them. There is a reason for the process. 11th hour unsubstantiated accusations are clearly a stall tactic and a method to subvert the process.

I can sympathize with people that hate this nominee. I cannot sympathize with the tactics that are being used to subvert the process.

(09-27-2018 01:11 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 01:08 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 01:00 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:36 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:29 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  Those on this thread referring to an accused as a “drunk beetch” are indeed trying to dismiss it.

“drunk beetch” or anything like that wasn't in the post you directed your post to. The post that I quoted.
https://csnbbs.com/thread-859070-post-15...id15534270

So for the 4th time I will ask if this was your son and knowing the facts we know. Would you be so willing to trust Mrs. Fords facts as she remembers them? Or the things said by the repeatedly gang rape girl?

A simple yes or no is all that's needed...why is that so hard for you?

Because it’s not as simple as a yes or no. If it were my son in Kavanaugh’s situation, I’d want to hear these women’s stories, and I’d want to hear from those who hung out with my son during that same time, as a parent is it privy to everything. In Kavanaugh’s case, the company he kept doesn’t exactly paint the picture he is trying to present.

appeal to tradition,faulty induction, guilt by association.

He was a prep school boy and a member of a fraternity so he MUST have done it.

Again, I’m not saying he’s guilty; but that doesn’t mean the accusers are lying, either.

His buddy who he clearly hung out with has admitted to bad behavior and blackout drunken nights when he didn’t know what he did or didn’t do. Both share little quotes alluding to bad behavior in the yearbook.

Meanwhile, he paints a picture of doing nothing but service projects while all this goes on. Something doesn’t add up. The time needs to be taken to get to the bottom of it.

But what that upbringing gave me was an unrelenting sense of self-reliance and responsibility. I own the commitments I make, and my boys understand the same. They can and will protect their families and defend themselves, they have a healthy disdain of our current socialist government structure, and they trust nobody more than themselves (other than God). Guess we are on the edge of acceptable modern society. However, I have the boys in the proper mindset to deal with the next 30 years better than I was prepared. All good.

(09-27-2018 01:11 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 01:07 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:35 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  And my ultimate point is the left claims to be oh so in touch with those they claim to serve, yet the reality of their upbringing and lives indicate a greater degree of segregation than us common folk experience. Prove me wrong, Hugo Chavez.

You’re speaking to a kid raised in the hood in North Memphis, whose parents stayed there to pay for a private education at an affluent East Memphis school that had kids from all parts of the county, and from there my circle involved kids from public & private schools across the entire city, but yeah, I’m not common folk. OK. Whatever.

you arent, you are exceptional despite your tendency for anecdotal fallacies.

It’s not a fallacy if you actually are an example of the opposite of the point that’s attempted, but thanks for the compliment.
Bedtime.

(09-27-2018 01:27 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 01:11 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 01:08 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 01:00 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 12:36 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  “drunk beetch” or anything like that wasn't in the post you directed your post to. The post that I quoted.
https://csnbbs.com/thread-859070-post-15...id15534270

So for the 4th time I will ask if this was your son and knowing the facts we know. Would you be so willing to trust Mrs. Fords facts as she remembers them? Or the things said by the repeatedly gang rape girl?

A simple yes or no is all that's needed...why is that so hard for you?

Because it’s not as simple as a yes or no. If it were my son in Kavanaugh’s situation, I’d want to hear these women’s stories, and I’d want to hear from those who hung out with my son during that same time, as a parent is it privy to everything. In Kavanaugh’s case, the company he kept doesn’t exactly paint the picture he is trying to present.

appeal to tradition,faulty induction, guilt by association.

He was a prep school boy and a member of a fraternity so he MUST have done it.

Again, I’m not saying he’s guilty; but that doesn’t mean the accusers are lying, either.

His buddy who he clearly hung out with has admitted to bad behavior and blackout drunken nights when he didn’t know what he did or didn’t do. Both share little quotes alluding to bad behavior in the yearbook.

Meanwhile, he paints a picture of doing nothing but service projects while all this goes on. Something doesn’t add up. The time needs to be taken to get to the bottom of it.

just admit you hate the nominee and you want to stall the process until he buckles or time runs out. thats fair enough.

(09-27-2018 01:31 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 01:27 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 01:11 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 01:08 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 01:00 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  Because it’s not as simple as a yes or no. If it were my son in Kavanaugh’s situation, I’d want to hear these women’s stories, and I’d want to hear from those who hung out with my son during that same time, as a parent is it privy to everything. In Kavanaugh’s case, the company he kept doesn’t exactly paint the picture he is trying to present.

appeal to tradition,faulty induction, guilt by association.

He was a prep school boy and a member of a fraternity so he MUST have done it.

Again, I’m not saying he’s guilty; but that doesn’t mean the accusers are lying, either.

His buddy who he clearly hung out with has admitted to bad behavior and blackout drunken nights when he didn’t know what he did or didn’t do. Both share little quotes alluding to bad behavior in the yearbook.

Meanwhile, he paints a picture of doing nothing but service projects while all this goes on. Something doesn’t add up. The time needs to be taken to get to the bottom of it.

just admit you hate the nominee and you want to stall the process until he buckles or time runs out. thats fair enough.

I don’t hate the nominee per se, and I personally don’t see it dragging out that long - but that doesn’t negate the fact that these women & their accusations need to be taken seriously.