(09-04-2018 09:02 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 08:40 AM)58-56 Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 06:42 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Do you understand marketing at all?

I think it's something like this:

Boycott In-N-Out Burger: Stupid snowflakes, you only draw attention to that which you hate!

Boycott Nike: The wrath of 65-year-old white guys shall bring the corporate power to its knees!

But haven't sussed out just yet how it cripples Nike to go out and buy new shoes just to have some to burn:

You do realize there is a large difference between the issue with In-N-Out and Nike.

One was about a small donation to the Republican party (by the way, they had a history of giving to both sides IIRC) and the other is about using a polarizing figure in a national add campaign....

Oh and 1 of the companies is a privately held company, while the other is a publically traded company.

Yup,

They could find themselves in a bit of a quandary similar to the idiotic Tesla debacle currently unfolding.

'Pears the virtue signalling can get damn, right expensive.

Dummies. Why even wade into this, much less slobber kiss and embrace this idiocy? 90 minutes ago this whole thing was wilting away, better to just let the stupid thing die.

I still buy Chick-Fil-A and In-N-Out. My Nike buying habits will not change. Some of you are very thin skinned.

(09-04-2018 10:23 AM)Gakusei Wrote:  I still buy Chick-Fil-A and In-N-Out. My Nike buying habits will not change. Some of you are very thin skinned.

As well you should, because Chick-fil-a and In-N-Out did not run ad campaigns attacking your beliefs. See the difference?

(09-04-2018 10:30 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  As well you should, because Chick-fil-a and In-N-Out did not run ad campaigns attacking your beliefs. See the difference?

What belief do you have that is being attacked? That people are obligated to stand for the anthem? That's a pretty stupid belief to hold.

(09-04-2018 10:32 AM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 10:30 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  As well you should, because Chick-fil-a and In-N-Out did not run ad campaigns attacking your beliefs. See the difference?

What belief do you have that is being attacked? That people are obligated to stand for the anthem? That's a pretty stupid belief to hold.

And thats why yall are losing elections...

(09-04-2018 10:36 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  And thats why yall are losing elections...

It's looking kind of the opposite. I'm not the only person that remembers before Kaepernick how during the anthem you'd constantly see people sitting, talking, eating, on their cell phones, or whatever. Of course they should be paying attention, but they weren't. It only became a wedge issue and highlighted when Trump and others made it one. It's something truly petty to care about, even if you don't agree with who's doing it.

(09-04-2018 10:32 AM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 10:30 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  As well you should, because Chick-fil-a and In-N-Out did not run ad campaigns attacking your beliefs. See the difference?

What belief do you have that is being attacked? That people are obligated to stand for the anthem? That's a pretty stupid belief to hold.

I'll be glad to tell you what bothers me about this whole damn thing.

1) The idea that some millionaire athlete thinks he can lecture the rest of us about how "oppressed" he is because of his "color".

2) The idea that some millionaire athlete has the audacity to think that whatever issues his "community" has with the police is even CLOSE to what REAL suffering and oppression is. There are places where a person's beliefs can get you killed or imprisoned, a far cry from complaining about "conditions" in some areas. Take a trip to North Korea, try spouting off, and see what happens if you REALLY want to experience what you CLAIM is happening here.

3) Most do not bother to point the finger of blame where it belongs, at the people who are committing the crimes and promoting the violence. Change STARTS at home.

4) More "people of color" were killed in Chicago this weekend by OTHER people of color than have been by white police officers in MONTHS. Instead of "taking a knee", call THOSE people out.

5) It's NOT a 'free speech" issue. The NFL, as your employer, has EVERY right to insist that you steer clear of issues while at work, and the game IS at work. If the kneel crowd wants to bloviate after the game on their OWN time, fine, but most of us don't give a crap about their "cause".

6) The idea that this goof has "sacrificed everything" is a total joke. If that was what Nike was striving for, how about kicking that SJW bullcrap to the curb and run an ad with people who REALLY "sacrifice everything" using athletes from the service academies?

(09-04-2018 10:45 AM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 10:36 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  And thats why yall are losing elections...

It's looking kind of the opposite. I'm not the only person that remembers before Kaepernick how during the anthem you'd constantly see people sitting, talking, eating, on their cell phones, or whatever. Of course they should be paying attention, but they weren't. It only became a wedge issue and highlighted when Trump and others made it one. It's something truly petty to care about, even if you don't agree with who's doing it.

Kaepernick started this in August of 16. It was a huge topic then, which was before Trump became President.

I still can't figure out why public companies decide to get political. From every angle, no matter the issue, it always seems like a no win situation.

It's not like Dick's Sporting Goods isn't hurting after their stance. Amirite

(09-04-2018 10:55 AM)VA49er Wrote:  I still can't figure out why public companies decide to get political. From every angle, no matter the issue, it always seems like a no win situation.

I'll never understand it either....

(09-04-2018 10:51 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  1) The idea that some millionaire athlete thinks he can lecture the rest of us about how "oppressed" he is because of his "color".

I don't remember him lecturing anyone. When asked why he was taking a knee, he said it was because he didn't want to show pride in a country that oppresses PoC. That's his choice.

Quote:2) The idea that some millionaire athlete has the audacity to think that whatever issues his "community" has with the police is even CLOSE to what REAL suffering and oppression is. There are places where a person's beliefs can get you killed or imprisoned, a far cry from complaining about "conditions" in some areas. Take a trip to North Korea, try spouting off, and see what happens if you REALLY want to experience what you CLAIM is happening here.

So unless Ferguson, MO or Compton, CA are as bad as North Korea, they should shut up? ok.

Quote:3) Most do not bother to point the finger of blame where it belongs, at the people who are committing the crimes and promoting the violence. Change STARTS at home.

They're not mutually exclusive problems where A has to be solved before moving on to B.

Quote:4) More "people of color" were killed in Chicago this weekend by OTHER people of color than have been by white police officers in MONTHS. Instead of "taking a knee", call THOSE people out.

See #3.

Quote:5) It's NOT a 'free speech" issue. The NFL, as your employer, has EVERY right to insist that you steer clear of issues while at work, and the game IS at work. If the kneel crowd wants to bloviate after the game on their OWN time, fine, but most of us don't give a crap about their "cause".

lol, well aware you don't care about their cause. That's kind of the point.

Quote:6) The idea that this goof has "sacrificed everything" is a total joke. If that was what Nike was striving for, how about kicking that SJW bullcrap to the curb and run an ad with people who REALLY "sacrifice everything" using athletes from the service academies?

I think he has sacrificed "everything", but I'm also of the opinion that Kaepernick isn't a particularly great QB and would've probably been a backup anyway. Realize that a lot of it is marketing, which is almost as much of an exaggeration as every Trump tweet.

(09-04-2018 09:03 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 07:59 AM)Momus Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 07:53 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 07:38 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Who cares? It's obvious he isn't cut out for football and activism is his primary objective anyway. Let him go and do whatever campaign he desires. Folks can choose to buy Nike or the other various brands with their money, etc..

I only care about it from looking at it as a business case. I mean what company does this the week the NFL is starting. The first season in 2 years where the focus isn't on the anthem.

Nike sees the writing on the wall, and they want to be able to point back in future decades and say they took active steps to be on the right side of the struggle for equality. They’re going to take some heat from the racists right now, but it’s definitely the right long-term move from both moral and financial standpoints.

Interesting you label anyone who disagrees as a racist. You know, that type of thinking has electoral ramifications if you haven't noticed.

that's what makes it continuously funny as the dippos continually run their yammer....

dems can't make it any easier.....

since DJT announced, I've said a 'prayer to the thank-you god' every single day....

(09-04-2018 11:03 AM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 10:51 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  1) The idea that some millionaire athlete thinks he can lecture the rest of us about how "oppressed" he is because of his "color".

I don't remember him lecturing anyone. When asked why he was taking a knee, he said it was because he didn't want to show pride in a country that oppresses PoC. That's his choice.

That right there IS lecturing. This country has done more for PoC than any other country in the world. Many if not all their perceived problems are self inflicted, but I'm sure in Kap's world, it's easier to just claim oppression than point the finger where it should be.

Quote:2) The idea that some millionaire athlete has the audacity to think that whatever issues his "community" has with the police is even CLOSE to what REAL suffering and oppression is. There are places where a person's beliefs can get you killed or imprisoned, a far cry from complaining about "conditions" in some areas. Take a trip to North Korea, try spouting off, and see what happens if you REALLY want to experience what you CLAIM is happening here.

So unless Ferguson, MO or Compton, CA are as bad as North Korea, they should shut up? ok.

Oh, you mean Ferguson "Hands up, don't shoot", MO? That completely fake and made up story? Guess you and the SJW crowd are OK with someone going after a cop's gun and expecting the cop to do NOTHING about it. Just how much of their "conditions" are a direct result of THEIR OWN actions?

Quote:3) Most do not bother to point the finger of blame where it belongs, at the people who are committing the crimes and promoting the violence. Change STARTS at home.

They're not mutually exclusive problems where A has to be solved before moving on to B.

Perhaps, but trying to point out how B is the problem before addressing A will lead to nothing. Solving A will in turn help to solve B. Worry about the cancer before the scratch.

Quote:4) More "people of color" were killed in Chicago this weekend by OTHER people of color than have been by white police officers in MONTHS. Instead of "taking a knee", call THOSE people out.

See #3.

Yes, please do.

Quote:5) It's NOT a 'free speech" issue. The NFL, as your employer, has EVERY right to insist that you steer clear of issues while at work, and the game IS at work. If the kneel crowd wants to bloviate after the game on their OWN time, fine, but most of us don't give a crap about their "cause".

lol, well aware you don't care about their cause. That's kind of the point.

If it's all about the "cause", let's see how many of the folks kowtowing to this would feel the same way if the players were forced to have to an opposing viewpoint shoved on them on THEIR time. Maybe some pro life player should "protest" for unborn babies.... see how that gets a reaction from the SJWs.

Quote:6) The idea that this goof has "sacrificed everything" is a total joke. If that was what Nike was striving for, how about kicking that SJW bullcrap to the curb and run an ad with people who REALLY "sacrifice everything" using athletes from the service academies?

I think he has sacrificed "everything", but I'm also of the opinion that Kaepernick isn't a particularly great QB and would've probably been a backup anyway. Realize that a lot of it is marketing, which is almost as much of an exaggeration as every Trump tweet.

Your definition of sacrifice and mine are vastly different. Most non "people of color" would gladly "sacrifice" to make millions. If living like a King is the new definition of "sacrifice", sign me up!

I'm really not trying to keep a response going on here. Your opinions are what they are and I don't see those being changed. My only point in the end is being this upset over a marketing campaign, and choosing to destroy things that are already paid for is snowflake at best, and laughably stupid at worst.

(09-03-2018 07:16 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Has Kapernick, or have any of the other kneelers, actually engaged in any productive activity to defuse the situation? I am sure that some of them must have, but I haven't seen any news to that effect. Walking the walk by actually trying to reduce tensions on both sides would seem to me to be far more useful than ramping up tensions.

You haven't been looking. I posted a yahoo article a couple of months ago about it, and ran across this one as well.
Police ride-alongs, meetings with politicians & law enforcement officials, and on and on:

http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/...r-protests

(09-04-2018 11:10 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 09:03 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 07:59 AM)Momus Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 07:53 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 07:38 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Who cares? It's obvious he isn't cut out for football and activism is his primary objective anyway. Let him go and do whatever campaign he desires. Folks can choose to buy Nike or the other various brands with their money, etc..

I only care about it from looking at it as a business case. I mean what company does this the week the NFL is starting. The first season in 2 years where the focus isn't on the anthem.

Nike sees the writing on the wall, and they want to be able to point back in future decades and say they took active steps to be on the right side of the struggle for equality. They’re going to take some heat from the racists right now, but it’s definitely the right long-term move from both moral and financial standpoints.

Interesting you label anyone who disagrees as a racist. You know, that type of thinking has electoral ramifications if you haven't noticed.

that's what makes it continuously funny as the dippos continually run their yammer....

dems can't make it any easier.....

since DJT announced, I've said a 'prayer to the thank-you god' every single day....

More power to them, but I can't see the logic in them doubling down on what lost them the previous election. It's like they learned nothing. Oh well.....

Not sure why Nike thinks this is a good idea. Looks foolish IMO. They should concentrate on making better quality products instead of engaging in any activity that might cause a kerfuffle and drive away patrons.