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So this quote caught my eye...
https://houston.sportsmap.com/university...ectations/

Quote:As the most relevant non-Power 5 school in the nation; the University of Houston may be a Group of 5 school - but it has Power 5 expectations.

I'd love to hear the argument or see the evidence for THAT statement.

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RE: So this quote caught my eye...
I read it as UH expect to go to a NY6 Bowl game every year.

The expectations are high, year in and year out.
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RE: So this quote caught my eye...
(08-31-2018 10:56 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I read it as UH expect to go to a NY6 Bowl game every year.

The expectations are high, year in and year out.

No argument that they have high expectations, but "the most relevant non-Power 5 school in the nation" is a pretty ridiculous claim.

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RE: So this quote caught my eye...
(08-31-2018 10:56 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I read it as UH expect to go to a NY6 Bowl game every year.

The expectations are high, year in and year out.

We expect to at least contend for the conf championship/NY6 berth every year. Last season we out of the running before the end of October. That's unacceptable.
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RE: So this quote caught my eye...
Lol what an ego
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RE: So this quote caught my eye...
So you are upset over a fan quote?
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RE: So this quote caught my eye...
(08-31-2018 11:00 AM)usffan Wrote:  
(08-31-2018 10:56 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I read it as UH expect to go to a NY6 Bowl game every year.

The expectations are high, year in and year out.

No argument that they have high expectations, but "the most relevant non-Power 5 school in the nation" is a pretty ridiculous claim.

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I mean they would probably be in the conversation. Top 5 of the G5

We are a conference that openly campaigns and markets as a P6.

So I don’t think I mind a small time beat writer saying something outlandish. Google the writer she looks like she just turned 21.
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RE: So this quote caught my eye...
(08-31-2018 11:00 AM)usffan Wrote:  
(08-31-2018 10:56 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I read it as UH expect to go to a NY6 Bowl game every year.

The expectations are high, year in and year out.

No argument that they have high expectations, but "the most relevant non-Power 5 school in the nation" is a pretty ridiculous claim.

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It's an opinion... one man's opinion from a local writer.

I would imagine it wouldn't be hard to find similar language from a Tampa, Orlando, Memphis, etc writer.....

I wouldn't get all twisted up if i did find that.
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(08-31-2018 11:02 AM)coogrfan Wrote:  
(08-31-2018 10:56 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I read it as UH expect to go to a NY6 Bowl game every year.

The expectations are high, year in and year out.

We expect to at least contend for the conf championship/NY6 berth every year. Last season we out of the running before the end of October. That's unacceptable.

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RE: So this quote caught my eye...
(08-31-2018 11:00 AM)usffan Wrote:  
(08-31-2018 10:56 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I read it as UH expect to go to a NY6 Bowl game every year.

The expectations are high, year in and year out.

No argument that they have high expectations, but "the most relevant non-Power 5 school in the nation" is a pretty ridiculous claim.

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If they're talking about brand... Boise State is still king. I think UCF has moved into the #2 slot but Houston is indeed very relevant and probably #3.
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RE: So this quote caught my eye...
(08-31-2018 11:15 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  
(08-31-2018 11:00 AM)usffan Wrote:  
(08-31-2018 10:56 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I read it as UH expect to go to a NY6 Bowl game every year.

The expectations are high, year in and year out.

No argument that they have high expectations, but "the most relevant non-Power 5 school in the nation" is a pretty ridiculous claim.

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It's an opinion... one man's opinion from a local writer.

I would imagine it wouldn't be hard to find similar language from a Tampa, Orlando, Memphis, etc writer.....

I wouldn't get all twisted up if i did find that.

True. Honey ever school in the AAC should have that same mindset and work like hell to prove just that. In the end we all benefit from that type of determination rather than accepting the opposite.
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RE: So this quote caught my eye...
Writer's opinion, which is fine. Houston is certainly in the top 5 most relevant so called "G5" programs, with most of those in the AAC + Boise.
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(08-31-2018 11:32 AM)KnightNasty Wrote:  
(08-31-2018 11:00 AM)usffan Wrote:  
(08-31-2018 10:56 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I read it as UH expect to go to a NY6 Bowl game every year.

The expectations are high, year in and year out.

No argument that they have high expectations, but "the most relevant non-Power 5 school in the nation" is a pretty ridiculous claim.

USFFan

If they're talking about brand... Boise State is still king. I think UCF has moved into the #2 slot but Houston is indeed very relevant and probably #3.

UCONN Basketball is the biggest brand in the non-P5.
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RE: So this quote caught my eye...
(08-31-2018 11:32 AM)KnightNasty Wrote:  
(08-31-2018 11:00 AM)usffan Wrote:  
(08-31-2018 10:56 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I read it as UH expect to go to a NY6 Bowl game every year.

The expectations are high, year in and year out.

No argument that they have high expectations, but "the most relevant non-Power 5 school in the nation" is a pretty ridiculous claim.

USFFan

If they're talking about brand... Boise State is still king. I think UCF has moved into the #2 slot but Houston is indeed very relevant and probably #3.

If UCF makes it to the CFP undefeated, or even just another NY6...... they will have accomplished everything BSU has done, but in a much more attractive location.
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RE: So this quote caught my eye...
(08-31-2018 11:39 AM)otown Wrote:  
(08-31-2018 11:32 AM)KnightNasty Wrote:  
(08-31-2018 11:00 AM)usffan Wrote:  
(08-31-2018 10:56 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I read it as UH expect to go to a NY6 Bowl game every year.

The expectations are high, year in and year out.

No argument that they have high expectations, but "the most relevant non-Power 5 school in the nation" is a pretty ridiculous claim.

USFFan

If they're talking about brand... Boise State is still king. I think UCF has moved into the #2 slot but Houston is indeed very relevant and probably #3.

If UCF makes it to the CFP undefeated, or even just another NY6...... they will have accomplished everything BSU has done, but in a much more attractive location.

No arguments from me. If we can do it again... we can really challenge, any maybe even surpass, Boise State from a brand standpoint. No easy task though, lol.
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(08-31-2018 11:37 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(08-31-2018 11:32 AM)KnightNasty Wrote:  
(08-31-2018 11:00 AM)usffan Wrote:  
(08-31-2018 10:56 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I read it as UH expect to go to a NY6 Bowl game every year.

The expectations are high, year in and year out.

No argument that they have high expectations, but "the most relevant non-Power 5 school in the nation" is a pretty ridiculous claim.

USFFan

If they're talking about brand... Boise State is still king. I think UCF has moved into the #2 slot but Houston is indeed very relevant and probably #3.

UCONN Basketball is the biggest brand in the non-P5.

I was mainly referring to Football...
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(08-31-2018 11:39 AM)otown Wrote:  
(08-31-2018 11:32 AM)KnightNasty Wrote:  
(08-31-2018 11:00 AM)usffan Wrote:  
(08-31-2018 10:56 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I read it as UH expect to go to a NY6 Bowl game every year.

The expectations are high, year in and year out.

No argument that they have high expectations, but "the most relevant non-Power 5 school in the nation" is a pretty ridiculous claim.

USFFan

If they're talking about brand... Boise State is still king. I think UCF has moved into the #2 slot but Houston is indeed very relevant and probably #3.

If UCF makes it to the CFP undefeated, or even just another NY6...... they will have accomplished everything BSU has done, but in a much more attractive location.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZ_Xz7LE-I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoUIw32z10s
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RE: So this quote caught my eye...
(08-31-2018 11:00 AM)usffan Wrote:  
(08-31-2018 10:56 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I read it as UH expect to go to a NY6 Bowl game every year.

The expectations are high, year in and year out.

No argument that they have high expectations, but "the most relevant non-Power 5 school in the nation" is a pretty ridiculous claim.

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Well---its a local guys opinion. That said, assuming there is a "most relevant non-Power 5"---there are probably only about half a dozen G5 schools that could make that claim--and I do think UH would be one of them. Houston has pumped over a quarter of a billion into athletics facilities over the last 5 years and are tied with UCF for most conference wins in the AAC since its inception. Pretty sure Houston has the most P5 wins in the AAC since its 2013 (its first year of conference play) and has more wins over ranked teams during that same period. Add in a longer past history than some of its key competitors and a former power conference membership---its certainly going to be in that "more relevant G5" conversation.
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RE: So this quote caught my eye...
I will be happy to explain.

Houston is the most relevant G5 school in the nation because it is Houston that has shown, both currently and for multiple generations, that they belong among the big boys of college athletics, in all sports, and yet have find themselves in the no-mans-land of G5 status. They aren't upstarts or never was's, they have been there and done that and continue to do it even while I'm typing this. Houston is the reminder to every P5 school that just because you have a history with a major conference you aren't guaranteed anything in the future.

I'm not going to take anything away from any other G5 school, and certainly not USF, or UCF, or, for that matter, BYU or Boise State, but Houston has competed for national championships regularly in football, baseball, basketball, track, and others before many on this board were born. USF, UCF, and Boise have competed for 20 years. BYU has done it for almost 40 now. Houston was competing and beating Auburn in bowls in the '50's. They have NBA, NFL, and MLB hall-of-famers, and Heisman trophy winners as alumni, Final fours, and every possible conceivable honors college and professional athletics have to offer, along with the Olympian of the 20th century in Carl Lewis as an alum standing, looking over their shoulders, back at the P5 saying "What have you accomplished?" AND they have the best player in college football this year, per multiple sources. MOST P5 PROGRAMS can't equal that combination, and - I'm sorry - with all due respect USF can't yet, either.

Why is this important? Because it hits at the heart of the 'they can't compete-they don't belong-they're upstarts who have to prove themselves' argument. You can't say that Houston is a flash-in-the-pan, something that USF and UCF still have to shake, fairly or not. You can't say that they are upstarts and have to prove something to 90% of the P5. You can't say that they don't have facilities, or money, or tradition, or relevance - not when they called the Astrodome home, or won the Cotton Bowl over a Tom Osborne coached Nebraska team almost 40 years ago (amongst others), or haven't contributed to the very nature of college football with Bill Yeoman's innovations - you can look those up. You can't say it's just because they got lucky with a coach - not when the Big XII has become reliant on them to provide them with winners.

Christ, even Barry Switzer has advocated to keep Houston out of the Big XII because they would hog all the Houston recruits. IF THEY ARE SCARED OF YOU THEN YOU ARE RELEVANT.

Houston had to fight for a team, fight their way into the SWC, fight their way into bowls (something tells me the Bluebonnet Bowl was created for them to have a chance, like the Fiesta was for Arizona State), and now they have to fight for respect despite consistently beating teams from every major conference since WW II. You can't make the argument that Houston has to prove themselves and if any one school has the right to ***** and complain about realignment it's probably - probably - Houston.

If there is one question I'd like to ask the P5 it would be "What did Houston do to kicked to the curb?" I understand why the majority of the programs found themselves on the outside looking in. I understand even why my own alma does - we, arguably, blew our chances by getting caught cheating.

But Houston didn't get caught (notice I say 'caught') and managed to perform for decades, and since they have both a current successful program and the history to back it up, they are the most relevant. So who did the Cougars piss off? What - low attendance? My god, if that gets you kicked to the curb there's a few more programs I'd like to see cut.

If USF, or UCF, or UConn, or Boise State can continue to compete for 70 years in ALL sports then you they will have the right to call themselves the most relevant.

E-mail me when that happens.
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RE: So this quote caught my eye...
a random study i noticed a few months ago...most casual fans, dont realize houston isnt in a p5...

a major social media sports site did 2 polls (most of the followers were casual fans)....1st poll: is boise the best mid-major program, it was an overwhelming yes

a week later they did a poll on better program houston or boise...houston won in a landslide...non-avid fans dont associate houston with mid-major

and the question is relevant, not most conference title... even on years where houston "coog'd it" houston was still op 25 most of the season...Houston has been top 15 at some point 5 of the last 9 years (even though only 2 finished top 25)..houston regularly beat elite teams even on the down years

-2009 houston beat #5 ok state, top 25 texas tech. & Mississippi state...that ended up being a down year
-2015 houston beat top 5 oklahoma, top 5 louisville..that was a medicore year

last year was a down year for houston and houston still beat a borderline top arizona team

if there is an argument to be made, its sure there are teams that win as much or more than houston....but no g5 has won more big games than houston in recent years ..and in the national picture, they only care if we beat big time teams not each other
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