(08-31-2018 06:03 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 05:52 PM)H-Town Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 11:50 AM)SMUleopold Wrote:  I will be happy to explain.

Houston is the most relevant G5 school in the nation because it is Houston that has shown, both currently and for multiple generations, that they belong among the big boys of college athletics, in all sports, and yet have find themselves in the no-mans-land of G5 status. They aren't upstarts or never was's, they have been there and done that and continue to do it even while I'm typing this. Houston is the reminder to every P5 school that just because you have a history with a major conference you aren't guaranteed anything in the future.

I'm not going to take anything away from any other G5 school, and certainly not USF, or UCF, or, for that matter, BYU or Boise State, but Houston has competed for national championships regularly in football, baseball, basketball, track, and others before many on this board were born. USF, UCF, and Boise have competed for 20 years. BYU has done it for almost 40 now. Houston was competing and beating Auburn in bowls in the '50's. They have NBA, NFL, and MLB hall-of-famers, and Heisman trophy winners as alumni, Final fours, and every possible conceivable honors college and professional athletics have to offer, along with the Olympian of the 20th century in Carl Lewis as an alum standing, looking over their shoulders, back at the P5 saying "What have you accomplished?" AND they have the best player in college football this year, per multiple sources. MOST P5 PROGRAMS can't equal that combination, and - I'm sorry - with all due respect USF can't yet, either.

Why is this important? Because it hits at the heart of the 'they can't compete-they don't belong-they're upstarts who have to prove themselves' argument. You can't say that Houston is a flash-in-the-pan, something that USF and UCF still have to shake, fairly or not. You can't say that they are upstarts and have to prove something to 90% of the P5. You can't say that they don't have facilities, or money, or tradition, or relevance - not when they called the Astrodome home, or won the Cotton Bowl over a Tom Osborne coached Nebraska team almost 40 years ago (amongst others), or haven't contributed to the very nature of college football with Bill Yeoman's innovations - you can look those up. You can't say it's just because they got lucky with a coach - not when the Big XII has become reliant on them to provide them with winners.

Christ, even Barry Switzer has advocated to keep Houston out of the Big XII because they would hog all the Houston recruits. IF THEY ARE SCARED OF YOU THEN YOU ARE RELEVANT.

Houston had to fight for a team, fight their way into the SWC, fight their way into bowls (something tells me the Bluebonnet Bowl was created for them to have a chance, like the Fiesta was for Arizona State), and now they have to fight for respect despite consistently beating teams from every major conference since WW II. You can't make the argument that Houston has to prove themselves and if any one school has the right to ***** and complain about realignment it's probably - probably - Houston.

If there is one question I'd like to ask the P5 it would be "What did Houston do to kicked to the curb?" I understand why the majority of the programs found themselves on the outside looking in. I understand even why my own alma does - we, arguably, blew our chances by getting caught cheating.

But Houston didn't get caught (notice I say 'caught') and managed to perform for decades, and since they have both a current successful program and the history to back it up, they are the most relevant. So who did the Cougars piss off? What - low attendance? My god, if that gets you kicked to the curb there's a few more programs I'd like to see cut.

If USF, or UCF, or UConn, or Boise State can continue to compete for 70 years in ALL sports then you they will have the right to call themselves the most relevant.

E-mail me when that happens.

Couldn't you at least have found a gif with Carl Lewis, or Hakeem Olajuwon, or even Andre Ware applauding instead of a Miami player?



USFFan

Sorry... Forgot about that

(08-31-2018 06:07 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 04:42 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 04:04 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 02:59 PM)pesik Wrote:  “Firm Second in perception and brand”

Not counting navy (army/navy game) no g5 comes even remotely close to Houston in number of highly rated games.... The 3 highest rated games in C-usa history involved Houston.. the highest rated game in AAC history involves Houston..

UCF is coming off an undefeated season, and exciting offense with a hesiman candidate qb.. Houston was 7-5 with a dreadfully boring offense last season..
UCF has been picked for zero OTA games (fox/abc/NBC).. with a potential for 1 (USF/UCF)
Houston has been picked for 2 so far, with a potential for a 3rd (houston/Memphis)

Houston has had 2 sports illustrated covers in the last 5 years .. no other g5 has had 1

We are aware g5 conference titles has zero effect on relevancy

Oh WOW! How awesome that Houston is on ABC and Fox, thanks to playing a PAC12 and Big 12 team and occupying the non-primetime noon timeslot? Hilarious.

FAU vs Oklahoma is on Fox tomorrow. That's totally all about FAU right?

Texas tech isn't projected to make a bowl..Texas tech has zero other ota games...
Do you really think Texas tech is the reason for the OTA??
You are denial if you say so. The broadcaster for the game talked about it on Twitter about it being a major deal for fox to get a game with Houston and Ed Oliver

So you are equating okahoma to Texas tech??? And Houston. To fau????
Again ratings don't lie.. when Houston wins we have an immense draw...

LOL

The 2017 Peach Bowl TV ratings were up 28% over the 2015 Peach Bowl featuring Houston and FSU.

UCF/USF was the highest rated AAC game by pretty much 1000 miles.

Remember 2013? Houston played AT UCF, and yet the highest rated TV market was Orlando with a 4.3 and Houston didn't even register a 1. Not even a 1.

How big time

(not counintg navy/army) the highest EVER rated aac regular season game is houston vs oklahoma by a RIDICULOUS MARGIN ...over a million more viewers than usf /ucf

and before you say its was oklahoma. there have been numerous other oklahoma vs aac games, numerous other vs ohio state, michigan, texas, nd etc

Quote:Remember 2013? Houston played AT UCF, and yet the highest rated TV market was Orlando with a 4.3 and Houston didn't even register a 1. Not even a 1.

doesnt this prove my point..houston doesnt care about ucf....but houston is big deal to ucf? ..also wasnt ucf top 25 good that year..and didnt houston fire a coach that year ...i guess context is irrelevant to you?

ucf second ever week in the top 25 was 4 years ago and yet you are debating that you have a bigger brand?

(08-31-2018 06:33 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 06:07 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 04:42 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 04:04 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 02:59 PM)pesik Wrote:  “Firm Second in perception and brand”

Not counting navy (army/navy game) no g5 comes even remotely close to Houston in number of highly rated games.... The 3 highest rated games in C-usa history involved Houston.. the highest rated game in AAC history involves Houston..

UCF is coming off an undefeated season, and exciting offense with a hesiman candidate qb.. Houston was 7-5 with a dreadfully boring offense last season..
UCF has been picked for zero OTA games (fox/abc/NBC).. with a potential for 1 (USF/UCF)
Houston has been picked for 2 so far, with a potential for a 3rd (houston/Memphis)

Houston has had 2 sports illustrated covers in the last 5 years .. no other g5 has had 1

We are aware g5 conference titles has zero effect on relevancy

Oh WOW! How awesome that Houston is on ABC and Fox, thanks to playing a PAC12 and Big 12 team and occupying the non-primetime noon timeslot? Hilarious.

FAU vs Oklahoma is on Fox tomorrow. That's totally all about FAU right?

Texas tech isn't projected to make a bowl..Texas tech has zero other ota games...
Do you really think Texas tech is the reason for the OTA??
You are denial if you say so. The broadcaster for the game talked about it on Twitter about it being a major deal for fox to get a game with Houston and Ed Oliver

So you are equating okahoma to Texas tech??? And Houston. To fau????
Again ratings don't lie.. when Houston wins we have an immense draw...

LOL

The 2017 Peach Bowl TV ratings were up 28% over the 2015 Peach Bowl featuring Houston and FSU.

UCF/USF was the highest rated AAC game by pretty much 1000 miles.

Remember 2013? Houston played AT UCF, and yet the highest rated TV market was Orlando with a 4.3 and Houston didn't even register a 1. Not even a 1.

How big time

(not counintg navy/army) the highest EVER rated aac regular season game is houston vs oklahoma by a RIDICULOUS MARGIN ...over a million more viewers than usf /ucf

and before you say its was oklahoma. there have been numerous other oklahoma vs aac games, numerous other vs ohio state, michigan, texas, nd etc

Quote:Remember 2013? Houston played AT UCF, and yet the highest rated TV market was Orlando with a 4.3 and Houston didn't even register a 1. Not even a 1.

doesnt this prove my point..houston doesnt care about ucf....but houston is big deal to ucf? ..also wasnt ucf top 25 good that year..and didnt houston fire a coach that year ...i guess context is irrelevant to you?

ucf second ever week in the top 25 was 4 years ago and yet you are debating that you have a bigger brand?

unreal dude

First off, I said and meant that UCF/USF was the highest rated AAC conference game. And it’s not even close.

Second, your spin on the pathetic Houston ratings for our 2013 game is hilarious. Let’s bring some facts: UCF entered that game at 6-1 and Houston entered at 7-1. That’s the entire reason that the game was moved to ESPN2 Primetime, despite no one from Houston watching. The winner was very likely going to represent the AAC in the BCS game. But sure- you guys were tooo big time to care to watch

SMU Leopold, I posted your reply on Coogfans.com, you are being offered free beer at the Houston vs SMU game.

(08-31-2018 07:50 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 06:33 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 06:07 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 04:42 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 04:04 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Oh WOW! How awesome that Houston is on ABC and Fox, thanks to playing a PAC12 and Big 12 team and occupying the non-primetime noon timeslot? Hilarious.

FAU vs Oklahoma is on Fox tomorrow. That's totally all about FAU right?

Texas tech isn't projected to make a bowl..Texas tech has zero other ota games...
Do you really think Texas tech is the reason for the OTA??
You are denial if you say so. The broadcaster for the game talked about it on Twitter about it being a major deal for fox to get a game with Houston and Ed Oliver

So you are equating okahoma to Texas tech??? And Houston. To fau????
Again ratings don't lie.. when Houston wins we have an immense draw...

LOL

The 2017 Peach Bowl TV ratings were up 28% over the 2015 Peach Bowl featuring Houston and FSU.

UCF/USF was the highest rated AAC game by pretty much 1000 miles.

Remember 2013? Houston played AT UCF, and yet the highest rated TV market was Orlando with a 4.3 and Houston didn't even register a 1. Not even a 1.

How big time

(not counintg navy/army) the highest EVER rated aac regular season game is houston vs oklahoma by a RIDICULOUS MARGIN ...over a million more viewers than usf /ucf

and before you say its was oklahoma. there have been numerous other oklahoma vs aac games, numerous other vs ohio state, michigan, texas, nd etc

Quote:Remember 2013? Houston played AT UCF, and yet the highest rated TV market was Orlando with a 4.3 and Houston didn't even register a 1. Not even a 1.

doesnt this prove my point..houston doesnt care about ucf....but houston is big deal to ucf? ..also wasnt ucf top 25 good that year..and didnt houston fire a coach that year ...i guess context is irrelevant to you?

ucf second ever week in the top 25 was 4 years ago and yet you are debating that you have a bigger brand?

unreal dude

First off, I said and meant that UCF/USF was the highest rated AAC conference game. And it’s not even close.

Second, your spin on the pathetic Houston ratings for our 2013 game is hilarious. Let’s bring some facts: UCF entered that game at 6-1 and Houston entered at 7-1. That’s the entire reason that the game was moved to ESPN2 Primetime, despite no one from Houston watching. The winner was very likely going to represent the AAC in the BCS game. But sure- you guys were tooo big time to care to watch

do you hate context...our schedule was inflated under levine, we all knew it...there is a reason we fired our coach.......our fans had abandoned levine....it was obvious, stop making up stuff..there is a reason he was fired as a 8-4 coach

in both football and basketball houston started scheduling patsies to inflat the win totals ...we were 6-1 and none of the 6 had a winning record ..houston hadn't beaten a team with a wining record till that point for almost 2 seasons (with losses to teams like utsa and tulane).....we also only played 1 p5 in ooc in the enitre tenure of levine (who blew us out)..... our previous coach played 3 a season

our fans had already abandoned him, NO ONE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO THE BCS!!! that is a fact

stop making up lies to fit your narrative....that was the greatest ucf season ever up until that point.....

you are using what was viewed as the greatest ever ucf season to that point, with a season hated by houston fans to make a point about fan support

that is the definition of bias and manipulation

hey everyone lets make hard impressions of the memphis basketball fanbase off last season with tubby, because tubby had 20 wins that seasons... that will be a great evaluation of their fanbase , they will struggle to get 7k actual fans at their games on 20 win teams..that is a valid statement and not out of context

So many paragraphs used to deflect from the fact that Houston TV ratings are in fact hot garbage.

Seems to me the “most relevant G5 program” would enough fans to register a measly 1 when their 7-1 team is playing a Top 25 6-1 team.

(08-31-2018 09:28 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  So many paragraphs used to deflect from the fact that Houston TV ratings are in fact hot garbage.

Seems to me the “most relevant G5 program” would enough fans to register a measly 1 when their 7-1 team is playing a Top 25 6-1 team.

Not really we sucked that year, and houston fans are super fickle in all sports. Houston fans tend to abandon their teams the moment they know its going to be bad (cough) (cough) astros...


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(08-31-2018 09:28 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  So many paragraphs used to deflect from the fact that Houston TV ratings are in fact hot garbage.

Seems to me the “most relevant G5 program” would enough fans to register a measly 1 when their 7-1 team is playing a Top 25 6-1 team.

hot garbage??...your argument is hot garbage...let me select tv rating from ucf's 0-12 season..and make dumb arguments like this one, with beneficial time periods

there is NO BETTER RATED TEAM IN THE AAC THAN HOUSTON....that is A FACT!!!!!!

NOT A 2 GAME ABBARASION.....since the aac began, (not counting the army/navy game) the by far best rated team on average is houston....

this has been the case for every conference ucf has ever shared with houston....

(08-31-2018 09:34 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 09:28 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  So many paragraphs used to deflect from the fact that Houston TV ratings are in fact hot garbage.

Seems to me the “most relevant G5 program” would enough fans to register a measly 1 when their 7-1 team is playing a Top 25 6-1 team.

hot garbage??...your argument is hot garbage...let me select tv rating from ucf's 0-12 season..and make dumb arguments like this one, with beneficial time periods

there is NO BETTER RATED TEAM IN THE AAC THAN HOUSTON....that is A FACT!!!!!!

NOT A 2 GAME ABBARASION.....since the aac began, (not counting the army/navy game) the by far best rated team on average is houston....

this has been the case for every conference ucf has ever shared with houston....

So Houston fans didn’t tune in to watch their 6-1 team in 2013 because you “sucked”? LOL. Sounds like a pretty horrid fan base if that’s true.

Let’s use strictly apples to apples. We both recently played in the Peach Bowl; UCF-Auburn drew 28% better than Houston/FSU. Read that ? 28% better.

But sure you guys are the HIGHEST RATED!!

(09-01-2018 06:11 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 09:34 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 09:28 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  So many paragraphs used to deflect from the fact that Houston TV ratings are in fact hot garbage.

Seems to me the “most relevant G5 program” would enough fans to register a measly 1 when their 7-1 team is playing a Top 25 6-1 team.

hot garbage??...your argument is hot garbage...let me select tv rating from ucf's 0-12 season..and make dumb arguments like this one, with beneficial time periods

there is NO BETTER RATED TEAM IN THE AAC THAN HOUSTON....that is A FACT!!!!!!

NOT A 2 GAME ABBARASION.....since the aac began, (not counting the army/navy game) the by far best rated team on average is houston....

this has been the case for every conference ucf has ever shared with houston....

So Houston fans didn’t tune in to watch their 6-1 team in 2013 because you “sucked”? LOL. Sounds like a pretty horrid fan base if that’s true.

Let’s use strictly apples to apples. We both recently played in the Peach Bowl; UCF-Auburn drew 28% better than Houston/FSU. Read that ? 28% better.

But sure you guys are the HIGHEST RATED!!

hello everyone my name is The Knight Time and i hate context.
January 1st is national/federal holiday....few have work (ucfs peach bowl)

houston's peachbowl was at 11am on weekday on not a federal holiday (31st)- everyone has work

definitely apples to apples

also this is your stadium at 5-0, lets remove all context/as clearly only record matter..looks like a horrible fan base..





instead of only trying to pick things that would benefit ucf...we could look at things like you you know. the whole picture..but that would have houston ahead...you are right ..lets go back to selective evidence

(08-31-2018 11:50 AM)SMUleopold Wrote:  I will be happy to explain.

Houston is the most relevant G5 school in the nation because it is Houston that has shown, both currently and for multiple generations, that they belong among the big boys of college athletics, in all sports, and yet have find themselves in the no-mans-land of G5 status. They aren't upstarts or never was's, they have been there and done that and continue to do it even while I'm typing this. Houston is the reminder to every P5 school that just because you have a history with a major conference you aren't guaranteed anything in the future.

I'm not going to take anything away from any other G5 school, and certainly not USF, or UCF, or, for that matter, BYU or Boise State, but Houston has competed for national championships regularly in football, baseball, basketball, track, and others before many on this board were born. USF, UCF, and Boise have competed for 20 years. BYU has done it for almost 40 now. Houston was competing and beating Auburn in bowls in the '50's. They have NBA, NFL, and MLB hall-of-famers, and Heisman trophy winners as alumni, Final fours, and every possible conceivable honors college and professional athletics have to offer, along with the Olympian of the 20th century in Carl Lewis as an alum standing, looking over their shoulders, back at the P5 saying "What have you accomplished?" AND they have the best player in college football this year, per multiple sources. MOST P5 PROGRAMS can't equal that combination, and - I'm sorry - with all due respect USF can't yet, either.

Why is this important? Because it hits at the heart of the 'they can't compete-they don't belong-they're upstarts who have to prove themselves' argument. You can't say that Houston is a flash-in-the-pan, something that USF and UCF still have to shake, fairly or not. You can't say that they are upstarts and have to prove something to 90% of the P5. You can't say that they don't have facilities, or money, or tradition, or relevance - not when they called the Astrodome home, or won the Cotton Bowl over a Tom Osborne coached Nebraska team almost 40 years ago (amongst others), or haven't contributed to the very nature of college football with Bill Yeoman's innovations - you can look those up. You can't say it's just because they got lucky with a coach - not when the Big XII has become reliant on them to provide them with winners.

Christ, even Barry Switzer has advocated to keep Houston out of the Big XII because they would hog all the Houston recruits. IF THEY ARE SCARED OF YOU THEN YOU ARE RELEVANT.

Houston had to fight for a team, fight their way into the SWC, fight their way into bowls (something tells me the Bluebonnet Bowl was created for them to have a chance, like the Fiesta was for Arizona State), and now they have to fight for respect despite consistently beating teams from every major conference since WW II. You can't make the argument that Houston has to prove themselves and if any one school has the right to ***** and complain about realignment it's probably - probably - Houston.

If there is one question I'd like to ask the P5 it would be "What did Houston do to kicked to the curb?" I understand why the majority of the programs found themselves on the outside looking in. I understand even why my own alma does - we, arguably, blew our chances by getting caught cheating.

But Houston didn't get caught (notice I say 'caught') and managed to perform for decades, and since they have both a current successful program and the history to back it up, they are the most relevant. So who did the Cougars piss off? What - low attendance? My god, if that gets you kicked to the curb there's a few more programs I'd like to see cut.

If USF, or UCF, or UConn, or Boise State can continue to compete for 70 years in ALL sports then you they will have the right to call themselves the most relevant.

E-mail me when that happens.

Nailed it

(08-31-2018 04:04 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 02:59 PM)pesik Wrote:  “Firm Second in perception and brand”

Not counting navy (army/navy game) no g5 comes even remotely close to Houston in number of highly rated games.... The 3 highest rated games in C-usa history involved Houston.. the highest rated game in AAC history involves Houston..

UCF is coming off an undefeated season, and exciting offense with a hesiman candidate qb.. Houston was 7-5 with a dreadfully boring offense last season..
UCF has been picked for zero OTA games (fox/abc/NBC).. with a potential for 1 (USF/UCF)
Houston has been picked for 2 so far, with a potential for a 3rd (houston/Memphis)

Houston has had 2 sports illustrated covers in the last 5 years .. no other g5 has had 1

We are aware g5 conference titles has zero effect on relevancy

Oh WOW! How awesome that Houston is on ABC and Fox, thanks to playing a PAC12 and Big 12 team and occupying the non-primetime noon timeslot? Hilarious.

FAU vs Oklahoma is on Fox tomorrow. That's totally all about FAU right?

LOL... Hater gonna hate

In other big boy Houston news... Hehe

Fertita Center looking sharp but I have doubts it will be ready by December



https://m.chron.com/sports/cougars/slide...182805.php

I think we can all agree that since this "American Athletic Conference" experiment has started, our programs (ALL sports) are clearly organizing themselves into different tiers.

Tier One
UCF
UH
Cincinnati
Navy

Tier Two
Memphis
UCONN
USF

Tier Three
SMU
ECU
Wichita State
Temple

Tier Four
Tulsa
Tulane

(09-01-2018 08:46 AM)UH1927 Wrote:  I think we can all agree that since this "American Athletic Conference" experiment has started, our programs (ALL sports) are clearly organizing themselves into different tiers.

Tier One
UCF
UH
Cincinnati
Navy

Tier Two
Memphis
UCONN
USF

Tier Three
SMU
ECU
Wichita State
Temple

Tier Four
Tulsa
Tulane

I dont see this league as an EXPERIMENT I see it as the last best group still standing and finally coming together as one.

Lol

(09-01-2018 08:46 AM)UH1927 Wrote:  I think we can all agree that since this "American Athletic Conference" experiment has started, our programs (ALL sports) are clearly organizing themselves into different tiers.

Tier One
UCF
UH
Cincinnati
Navy

Tier Two
Memphis
UCONN
USF

Tier Three
SMU
ECU
Wichita State
Temple

Tier Four
Tulsa
Tulane

Yeah I'm gonna have to disagree here...

(09-01-2018 08:46 AM)UH1927 Wrote:  I think we can all agree that since this "American Athletic Conference" experiment has started, our programs (ALL sports) are clearly organizing themselves into different tiers.

Tier One
UCF
UH
Cincinnati
Navy

Tier Two
Memphis
UCONN
USF

Tier Three
SMU
ECU
Wichita State
Temple

Tier Four
Tulsa
Tulane

petition to rename tier 4 to "Aresco's catastrophic expansion failure" or just simply "Cusa tier"

i'd rather be Hous than anybody else