(08-21-2018 12:39 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 12:32 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 12:10 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I think it wiser, moreover, not to keep open the sores of war but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife, to commit to oblivion the feelings engendered.

- Robert E. Lee

Agree and disagree in this case. This was not a statue memorializing slavery, but memorializing the more than 1800 UNC students who left school to fight.

"It is not for us to question the decrees of Providence. Let us be grateful that our struggle, keeping alive the grand principle of local self-government and State sovereignty has thus far held the American people from that consolidated despotism whose name, whether Republic or Empire, is of but little importance as compared with its rule." - from Julian Carr's dedication speech at the unveiling of Silent Sam

First of all, let me state that I absolutely do not approve of the method in which this memorial was removed. Perps should be prosecuted.

But the context of my above quote from Robert E. Lee is his explaining why he was not going to help with a memorial at Gettysburg.

On a personal level, I would be fine with the current memorials being moved to cemeteries and museums rather than destroyed, but I do agree with Gen. Lee's sentiment that these memorials - in many cases - just keep the sores open.

The US army didn't agree. They named their forts after both Union and Confederate officers. They emphasize what they shared, not what separated them.

America’s Culural Revolutionaries destroy a monument to dead soldiers...

Classy!

(08-21-2018 02:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  America’s Culural Revolutionaries destroy a monument to dead soldiers...

Classy!

College students destroy racist monument on public property...

About time!

(08-21-2018 02:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  America’s Culural Revolutionaries destroy a monument to dead soldiers...

Classy!

They needed to clear a spot so they could burn books.

(08-21-2018 02:48 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 02:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  America’s Culural Revolutionaries destroy a monument to dead soldiers...

Classy!

They needed to clear a spot so they could burn books.

After all, they just need talking points for their history, not an actual understanding of complex events.

(08-21-2018 02:36 PM)Momus Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 02:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  America’s Culural Revolutionaries destroy a monument to dead soldiers...

Classy!

College students destroy racist monument on public property...

About time!

Tell me what is racist about dead soldiers.

Tell me what gives individuals the right to break the law because their feelings are hurt.

(08-21-2018 12:32 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 12:10 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I think it wiser, moreover, not to keep open the sores of war but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife, to commit to oblivion the feelings engendered.

- Robert E. Lee

Agree and disagree in this case. This was not a statue memorializing slavery, but memorializing the more than 1800 UNC students who left school to fight.

"It is not for us to question the decrees of Providence. Let us be grateful that our struggle, keeping alive the grand principle of local self-government and State sovereignty has thus far held the American people from that consolidated despotism whose name, whether Republic or Empire, is of but little importance as compared with its rule." - from Julian Carr's dedication speech at the unveiling of Silent Sam

A few more quotes from Julian Carr's dedication speech:

Quote:The present generation, I am persuaded, scarcely takes note of what the Confederate soldier meant to the welfare of the Anglo Saxon race during the four years immediately succeeding the war, when the facts are, that their courage and steadfastness saved the very life of the Anglo Saxon race in the South – When “the bottom rail was on top” all over the Southern states, and to-day, as a consequence the purest strain of the Anglo Saxon is to be found in the 13 Southern States – Praise God.

Quote:One hundred yards from where we stand, less than ninety days perhaps after my return from Appomattox, I horse-whipped a negro wench until her skirts hung in shreds, because upon the streets of this quiet village she had publicly insulted and maligned a Southern lady, and then rushed for protection to these University buildings where was stationed a garrison of 100 Federal soldiers. I performed the pleasing duty in the immediate presence of the entire garrison, and for thirty nights afterwards slept with a double-barrel shot gun under my head.

Carr Speech Transcript

(08-21-2018 03:12 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 12:32 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 12:10 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I think it wiser, moreover, not to keep open the sores of war but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife, to commit to oblivion the feelings engendered.

- Robert E. Lee

Agree and disagree in this case. This was not a statue memorializing slavery, but memorializing the more than 1800 UNC students who left school to fight.

"It is not for us to question the decrees of Providence. Let us be grateful that our struggle, keeping alive the grand principle of local self-government and State sovereignty has thus far held the American people from that consolidated despotism whose name, whether Republic or Empire, is of but little importance as compared with its rule." - from Julian Carr's dedication speech at the unveiling of Silent Sam

A few more quotes from the Julian Carr's dedication speech:

Quote:The present generation, I am persuaded, scarcely takes note of what the Confederate soldier meant to the welfare of the Anglo Saxon race during the four years immediately succeeding the war, when the facts are, that their courage and steadfastness saved the very life of the Anglo Saxon race in the South – When “the bottom rail was on top” all over the Southern states, and to-day, as a consequence the purest strain of the Anglo Saxon is to be found in the 13 Southern States – Praise God.

Quote:One hundred yards from where we stand, less than ninety days perhaps after my return from Appomattox, I horse-whipped a negro wench until her skirts hung in shreds, because upon the streets of this quiet village she had publicly insulted and maligned a Southern lady, and then rushed for protection to these University buildings where was stationed a garrison of 100 Federal soldiers. I performed the pleasing duty in the immediate presence of the entire garrison, and for thirty nights afterwards slept with a double-barrel shot gun under my head.

Carr Speech Transcript

Correct. Now from the entirety of the speech, what does the statue memorialize?

Have some family who are recent grads of UNC. The silent Sam is a landmark where you go to take silly selfies and not a monument.

If we're going to judge things by how they were seen when they are created and not what they are today, then start calling for the abolition of the Democratic party and Planned Parenthood. Both have sordid racial histories.

UNC is a notorioiusly liberal campus and it's only really just now - in our insane political climate - that this has become an issue. That right there should tell you something.

(08-21-2018 03:17 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:12 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 12:32 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 12:10 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I think it wiser, moreover, not to keep open the sores of war but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife, to commit to oblivion the feelings engendered.

- Robert E. Lee

Agree and disagree in this case. This was not a statue memorializing slavery, but memorializing the more than 1800 UNC students who left school to fight.

"It is not for us to question the decrees of Providence. Let us be grateful that our struggle, keeping alive the grand principle of local self-government and State sovereignty has thus far held the American people from that consolidated despotism whose name, whether Republic or Empire, is of but little importance as compared with its rule." - from Julian Carr's dedication speech at the unveiling of Silent Sam

A few more quotes from the Julian Carr's dedication speech:

Quote:The present generation, I am persuaded, scarcely takes note of what the Confederate soldier meant to the welfare of the Anglo Saxon race during the four years immediately succeeding the war, when the facts are, that their courage and steadfastness saved the very life of the Anglo Saxon race in the South – When “the bottom rail was on top” all over the Southern states, and to-day, as a consequence the purest strain of the Anglo Saxon is to be found in the 13 Southern States – Praise God.

Quote:One hundred yards from where we stand, less than ninety days perhaps after my return from Appomattox, I horse-whipped a negro wench until her skirts hung in shreds, because upon the streets of this quiet village she had publicly insulted and maligned a Southern lady, and then rushed for protection to these University buildings where was stationed a garrison of 100 Federal soldiers. I performed the pleasing duty in the immediate presence of the entire garrison, and for thirty nights afterwards slept with a double-barrel shot gun under my head.

Carr Speech Transcript

Correct. Now from the entirety of the speech, what does the statue memorialize?

Racism.

(08-21-2018 03:44 PM)Momus Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:17 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:12 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 12:32 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 12:10 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I think it wiser, moreover, not to keep open the sores of war but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife, to commit to oblivion the feelings engendered.

- Robert E. Lee

Agree and disagree in this case. This was not a statue memorializing slavery, but memorializing the more than 1800 UNC students who left school to fight.

"It is not for us to question the decrees of Providence. Let us be grateful that our struggle, keeping alive the grand principle of local self-government and State sovereignty has thus far held the American people from that consolidated despotism whose name, whether Republic or Empire, is of but little importance as compared with its rule." - from Julian Carr's dedication speech at the unveiling of Silent Sam

A few more quotes from the Julian Carr's dedication speech:

Quote:The present generation, I am persuaded, scarcely takes note of what the Confederate soldier meant to the welfare of the Anglo Saxon race during the four years immediately succeeding the war, when the facts are, that their courage and steadfastness saved the very life of the Anglo Saxon race in the South – When “the bottom rail was on top” all over the Southern states, and to-day, as a consequence the purest strain of the Anglo Saxon is to be found in the 13 Southern States – Praise God.

Quote:One hundred yards from where we stand, less than ninety days perhaps after my return from Appomattox, I horse-whipped a negro wench until her skirts hung in shreds, because upon the streets of this quiet village she had publicly insulted and maligned a Southern lady, and then rushed for protection to these University buildings where was stationed a garrison of 100 Federal soldiers. I performed the pleasing duty in the immediate presence of the entire garrison, and for thirty nights afterwards slept with a double-barrel shot gun under my head.

Carr Speech Transcript

Correct. Now from the entirety of the speech, what does the statue memorialize?

Racism.

Do you have a non-ignorant response?

(08-21-2018 04:03 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:44 PM)Momus Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:17 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:12 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 12:32 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Agree and disagree in this case. This was not a statue memorializing slavery, but memorializing the more than 1800 UNC students who left school to fight.

"It is not for us to question the decrees of Providence. Let us be grateful that our struggle, keeping alive the grand principle of local self-government and State sovereignty has thus far held the American people from that consolidated despotism whose name, whether Republic or Empire, is of but little importance as compared with its rule." - from Julian Carr's dedication speech at the unveiling of Silent Sam

A few more quotes from the Julian Carr's dedication speech:

Quote:The present generation, I am persuaded, scarcely takes note of what the Confederate soldier meant to the welfare of the Anglo Saxon race during the four years immediately succeeding the war, when the facts are, that their courage and steadfastness saved the very life of the Anglo Saxon race in the South – When “the bottom rail was on top” all over the Southern states, and to-day, as a consequence the purest strain of the Anglo Saxon is to be found in the 13 Southern States – Praise God.

Quote:One hundred yards from where we stand, less than ninety days perhaps after my return from Appomattox, I horse-whipped a negro wench until her skirts hung in shreds, because upon the streets of this quiet village she had publicly insulted and maligned a Southern lady, and then rushed for protection to these University buildings where was stationed a garrison of 100 Federal soldiers. I performed the pleasing duty in the immediate presence of the entire garrison, and for thirty nights afterwards slept with a double-barrel shot gun under my head.

Carr Speech Transcript

Correct. Now from the entirety of the speech, what does the statue memorialize?

Racism.

Do you have a non-ignorant response?

I have factual responses unlike those on the right who live in a bubble and like to pretend their beliefs equate to reality.

(08-21-2018 04:29 PM)Momus Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 04:03 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:44 PM)Momus Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:17 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:12 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  A few more quotes from the Julian Carr's dedication speech:



Carr Speech Transcript

Correct. Now from the entirety of the speech, what does the statue memorialize?

Racism.

Do you have a non-ignorant response?

I have factual responses unlike those on the right who live in a bubble and like to pretend their beliefs equate to reality.

Ignorance confirmed.

I still can't figure out why some idiots think tearing down statues in any way changes history.Hell, most of those folks probably had no idea the statue was even there until someone nitwit had the bright idea to commit vandalism.

(08-21-2018 02:48 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 02:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  America’s Culural Revolutionaries destroy a monument to dead soldiers...

Classy!

They needed to clear a spot so they could burn books.

That’s coming.

I bet they have bike locks and all ready to attack folks as well.

(08-21-2018 07:35 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 02:48 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 02:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  America’s Culural Revolutionaries destroy a monument to dead soldiers...

Classy!

They needed to clear a spot so they could burn books.

That’s coming.

I bet they have bike locks and all ready to attack folks as well.

Bike locks are no match for a 9mm

UNC comes to Greenville to play ECU in 3 weeks. I'm thinking of making purple and gold Silent Sam shirts just so I can rile up the UNC fans that make the trip. Once they are properly triggered I'll belittle them and call out their hypocrisy for wearing UNC Tar Heels apparel.

(08-22-2018 08:28 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  UNC comes to Greenville to play ECU in 3 weeks. I'm thinking of making purple and gold Silent Sam shirts just so I can rile up the UNC fans that make the trip. Once they are properly triggered I'll belittle them and call out their hypocrisy for wearing UNC Tar Heels apparel.

Yeah, those idiots (ones that tore down the statue) probably don't even know the origin of "Tar Heel", well, at least one version of the story. Let''s face it, folks that do that sort of thing are obviously not the sharpest tools in the shed.

Justice is served....

Also, statue to return in 90 days. So, idiots get charged AND the statue will return.

Quote:CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (WNCN) - Three people have been charged in connection with the toppling of the Confederate monument on UNC's campus known as Silent Sam.

Orange County District Attorney Jim Woodall confirmed three people face charges of misdemeanor riot and misdemeanor defacing of a public monument.

Three Idiots Charged

(09-28-2018 03:29 PM)VA49er Wrote:  Justice is served....

Also, statue to return in 90 days. So, idiots get charged AND the statue will return.

Good and even better news!