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(08-08-2018 02:40 PM)green Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 11:49 AM)Kronke Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 11:40 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  So the GOP won 8/9 or 9/10 contests vs. Dems yesterday? Is that accurate?

Yep, and "progressives" got BTFO.

democrats have to literally shaking right now. They're so desperate for a message, and they thought they had one with anastasia cortez, so she goes out and endorses a bunch of principles "progressives", and they all lose.



https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/stat...0225243137

repubs have won 8 of 9 special elections over the past year ...

WELL ISN'T THAT SPECIAL


The race in Ohio is not over. Trump is jumping the gun on the Ohio seat. It could head into a recount since they are practically tied.
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(08-08-2018 03:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 02:40 PM)green Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 11:49 AM)Kronke Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 11:40 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  So the GOP won 8/9 or 9/10 contests vs. Dems yesterday? Is that accurate?

Yep, and "progressives" got BTFO.

democrats have to literally shaking right now. They're so desperate for a message, and they thought they had one with anastasia cortez, so she goes out and endorses a bunch of principles "progressives", and they all lose.



https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/stat...0225243137

repubs have won 8 of 9 special elections over the past year ...

WELL ISN'T THAT SPECIAL


The race in Ohio is not over. Trump is jumping the gun on the Ohio seat. It could head into a recount since they are practically tied.

It isn’t technically over but to be exact, the dem is currently 25/1 to win in the betting markets.
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(08-08-2018 03:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The race in Ohio is not over. Trump is jumping the gun on the Ohio seat. It could head into a recount since they are practically tied.



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TROUBLE IN PARADISE

LOL!!!

We're the radLeft and we hate EVERYBODY!

Oh, btw, please vote for us.


I got the same treatment from Hillary Clinton supporters cussing me out because I voted for Jill Stein. Blaming for Hillary to lose. The matter of fact, Trump beat Hillary by a landslide in Arkansas.
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(08-08-2018 03:25 PM)green Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 03:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The race in Ohio is not over. Trump is jumping the gun on the Ohio seat. It could head into a recount since they are practically tied.



https://twitter.com/TopRopeTravis/status...9534470145

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We’re witnessing levels of desperation that shouldn’t even be possible.
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(08-08-2018 03:28 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 03:25 PM)green Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 03:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The race in Ohio is not over. Trump is jumping the gun on the Ohio seat. It could head into a recount since they are practically tied.



https://twitter.com/TopRopeTravis/status...9534470145

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We’re witnessing levels of desperation that shouldn’t even be possible.

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(08-08-2018 03:11 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I've been thinking about it, and here's where I come down politically these days.

I think the ultimate objective of all democrats is a socialist/communist state, regardless of whether that is a good thing or bad--like USSR or Venezuela. The only difference I see is between moderates (who want to get there slowly) and extremists (who want to get there next week), but the ultimate objective appears to me to be the same. I don't see any democrats pointing us in any other direction, just difference of degrees how far and how fast. I think this is in part driven by the path LBJ send democrats down with his Great Society--which I have paraphrased as, "Keep 'em dumb, keep 'em poor, keep 'em dependent on handouts, and you'll keep 'em voting democrat." Quite honestly, that strikes me as incredibly evil.

I have historically counted on republicans to protect me from democrat extremism, but frankly they are doing a pretty worthless job. What I see is a focus on religious extremism (anti-abortion, anti-LBGT) litmus tests, to the exclusion of almost any ideas in other areas, except to be "democrat lite." Just spending not quite as much money as the democrats want to spend on a bad program is still wasting money. So republicans are to me the stupid party.

Stupid party versus evil party. Wonderful.

Where are the ideas?
There are better ways to do health care than what we used to have, or Obamacare, or single-payer/single-provider. Why don't we hear about them?
There are better ways to do welfare than the extremely inefficient, bloated, and overhead-heavy approach we follow. Why don't we hear about them?
There are better ways to do taxes than the way we do. Why don't we hear about them?
There are better ways to do national defense and homeland security than what we do. Why don't we hear about them?
There are, in short, better ways to do everything than what we are doing. Why don't we hear about them?

The first team to start talking about better ways to do things gets my vote. As long as they are just arguing over how much to waste on the same stupid approaches, they can both go suck an egg.

I kinda stuck this here because it seemed to fit somewhat with the topic. I'd like to get some comment. Maybe I should start a new thread.
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You know we are living in a backwards, twisted society when simply wanting to LIMIT abortion is called "extremism"
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(08-08-2018 03:41 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 03:11 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I've been thinking about it, and here's where I come down politically these days.

I think the ultimate objective of all democrats is a socialist/communist state, regardless of whether that is a good thing or bad--like USSR or Venezuela. The only difference I see is between moderates (who want to get there slowly) and extremists (who want to get there next week), but the ultimate objective appears to me to be the same. I don't see any democrats pointing us in any other direction, just difference of degrees how far and how fast. I think this is in part driven by the path LBJ send democrats down with his Great Society--which I have paraphrased as, "Keep 'em dumb, keep 'em poor, keep 'em dependent on handouts, and you'll keep 'em voting democrat." Quite honestly, that strikes me as incredibly evil.

I have historically counted on republicans to protect me from democrat extremism, but frankly they are doing a pretty worthless job. What I see is a focus on religious extremism (anti-abortion, anti-LBGT) litmus tests, to the exclusion of almost any ideas in other areas, except to be "democrat lite." Just spending not quite as much money as the democrats want to spend on a bad program is still wasting money. So republicans are to me the stupid party.

Stupid party versus evil party. Wonderful.

Where are the ideas?
There are better ways to do health care than what we used to have, or Obamacare, or single-payer/single-provider. Why don't we hear about them?
There are better ways to do welfare than the extremely inefficient, bloated, and overhead-heavy approach we follow. Why don't we hear about them?
There are better ways to do taxes than the way we do. Why don't we hear about them?
There are better ways to do national defense and homeland security than what we do. Why don't we hear about them?
There are, in short, better ways to do everything than what we are doing. Why don't we hear about them?

The first team to start talking about better ways to do things gets my vote. As long as they are just arguing over how much to waste on the same stupid approaches, they can both go suck an egg.

I kinda stuck this here because it seemed to fit somewhat with the topic. I'd like to get some comment. Maybe I should start a new thread.

I'd suggest a new thread. Either here or there, I'll comment tomorrow when I have more time, but overall I agree with you point.
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(08-08-2018 03:58 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  I'd suggest a new thread. Either here or there, I'll comment tomorrow when I have more time, but overall I agree with you point.

Started a new thread, "I've looked at politics from both sides now."
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(08-08-2018 03:35 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 03:28 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 03:25 PM)green Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 03:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The race in Ohio is not over. Trump is jumping the gun on the Ohio seat. It could head into a recount since they are practically tied.



https://twitter.com/TopRopeTravis/status...9534470145

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We’re witnessing levels of desperation that shouldn’t even be possible.

[Image: giphy.gif]

03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao



You guys find the funniest dumbschit.
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(08-08-2018 04:26 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 03:35 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 03:28 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 03:25 PM)green Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 03:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The race in Ohio is not over. Trump is jumping the gun on the Ohio seat. It could head into a recount since they are practically tied.



https://twitter.com/TopRopeTravis/status...9534470145

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We’re witnessing levels of desperation that shouldn’t even be possible.

[Image: giphy.gif]

03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao



You guys find the funniest dumbschit.

Sorry guys, I can't resist, lol.....



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(08-08-2018 04:32 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 04:26 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 03:35 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 03:28 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 03:25 PM)green Wrote:  

https://twitter.com/TopRopeTravis/status...9534470145

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We’re witnessing levels of desperation that shouldn’t even be possible.

[Image: giphy.gif]

03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao



You guys find the funniest dumbschit.

Sorry guys, I can't resist, lol.....




Wellllll, then.

That'll spoil your Tuesday afternoon... 03-lmfao
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You know, We've got a dedicated cartoon thread, which has more than the occasional meme tucked in there. Maybe we should have a dedicated "Dumb funny schit" thread (more appropriately titled, of course).

I still haven't really figured out how to post this type thing, so I can't/shouldn't be the one to start one.

The first post would be blank... lol
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(08-08-2018 03:35 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 03:28 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 03:25 PM)green Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 03:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The race in Ohio is not over. Trump is jumping the gun on the Ohio seat. It could head into a recount since they are practically tied.



https://twitter.com/TopRopeTravis/status...9534470145

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We’re witnessing levels of desperation that shouldn’t even be possible.

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The fat man has been stung.
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(08-08-2018 03:11 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I've been thinking about it, and here's where I come down politically these days.

I think the ultimate objective of all democrats is a socialist/communist state, regardless of whether that is a good thing or bad--like USSR or Venezuela. The only difference I see is between moderates (who want to get there slowly) and extremists (who want to get there next week), but the ultimate objective appears to me to be the same. I don't see any democrats pointing us in any other direction, just difference of degrees how far and how fast. I think this is in part driven by the path LBJ send democrats down with his Great Society--which I have paraphrased as, "Keep 'em dumb, keep 'em poor, keep 'em dependent on handouts, and you'll keep 'em voting democrat." Quite honestly, that strikes me as incredibly evil.

I have historically counted on republicans to protect me from democrat extremism, but frankly they are doing a pretty worthless job. What I see is a focus on religious extremism (anti-abortion, anti-LBGT) litmus tests, to the exclusion of almost any ideas in other areas, except to be "democrat lite." Just spending not quite as much money as the democrats want to spend on a bad program is still wasting money. So republicans are to me the stupid party.

Stupid party versus evil party. Wonderful.

Where are the ideas?
There are better ways to do health care than what we used to have, or Obamacare, or single-payer/single-provider. Why don't we hear about them?
There are better ways to do welfare than the extremely inefficient, bloated, and overhead-heavy approach we follow. Why don't we hear about them?
There are better ways to do taxes than the way we do. Why don't we hear about them?
There are better ways to do national defense and homeland security than what we do. Why don't we hear about them?
There are, in short, better ways to do everything than what we are doing. Why don't we hear about them?

The first team to start talking about better ways to do things gets my vote. As long as they are just arguing over how much to waste on the same stupid approaches, they can both go suck an egg.

Those two bolded lines...

I think you're right re: the Dems wanting to take us to a socialist state.

Regarding the GOP... there's a reason we on the Religious Right call them RINOs. They want the same thing as the Dems, i.e. a socialist state.

I think the reason you hear about the moral issues litmus test is because those things are important to millions of Americans. If I can't count on a Republican to embrace a moral stance, what's left? The GOP is already left-of-center on practically every other issue.

Republicans ran on overturning ObamaCare. They won the elections.

So why do we still have ObamaCare? Because it's too hard to get the votes? That's a convenient excuse.

Why do we have ObamaCare in the first place. Because the Dems lied their tails off to get the votes they needed. The last few votes which put them over the top came from Pro-Life Dems holdouts. Why did they finally voter for it? Because they were told ObamaCare didn't have anything to do with abortion. But it did. They lied to get their way.

Republicans acquiesce. They campaign on an issue and then behave differently.


Put it this way:
Dems tell me to my face what they plan to do.
Republicans lie to me telling me they'll do one thing but then do what the Dems do.
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(08-08-2018 09:56 AM)bullet Wrote:  Pessimistic Republican view of the results.

American Greatness is an unbashed pro-Trump website.

https://amgreatness.com/2018/08/07/ohio-...t-winning/

Republicans and Trump supporters needed some good political news, and they got it Tuesday night in the special election for Ohio’s 12th Congressional District.

"Republican Troy Balderson’s narrow, one-point win doesn’t mean a “red wave” is swelling. Instead, the results contain both good and troubling news for President Trump and his party. Rather than setting the GOP at ease, these results should serve as a wake-up call to improve their focus on swing voters before the November elections....

It might be troubling for many Republican leaders to hear this, but it appears these voters <Romney/Clinton> are lost to the GOP in most races this year. The booming economy might be attracting yet another group of voters, those who voted for Romney and either Gary Johnson or Evan McMullin, to stay with the party. But there is no evidence that this, the tax cuts, or any other policy measure yet devised can overcome the antipathy many of the Romney/Clinton voters feel for the president.

Ultimately, enough of these voters have to be won back if a new Republican Party is to become the clear majority party. But that won’t happen this year, and the party needs to plan accordingly.


What should trouble the party more than this drag on their numbers is the apparent weakness Republican candidates have among the Obama/Trump voters....

Restricting immigration is part of that appeal, but only a part. Trump won these voters’ loyalty because he showed them he cared about their lives, their aspirations, and their role in building America. That means talking about a lot of things many Republicans prefer to avoid...."

While most of that post is simple partisan hackery.

There's actually something in this far right wing analysis I agree with.

Romney/Clinton voters are staying with the Dems. While I generally agree with his analysis of Obama/Trump voters, I think you can divide them into 2 groups.

1) Obama/Trump voters (blue collar). They appear to be sticking with Trump but are doing so at a far lower level of voter participation. Saccone and Moore got the percentages out of these groups they needed to win, but NOT the participation rate.

2) Obama/Trump voters (white collar). They appear to be sticking around in some cases. This was the case of a largely "Country Club" Republican running with the endorsement of a very popular and very moderate Republican Governor. In Arizona they bailed. In Alabama they bailed. In Pennsylvania they bailed. In Montana, Ohio, and Georgia, they didn't. I think this was simply the result of the GOP putting up the correct candidate. Balderson barely won his primary. That other candidate would have probably lost by 5 points.

----

I think that's why you see the Trump rallies. The GOP knows its driving up Dem participation and probably making Obama/Trump voters uncomfortable, but the problem they have that if the Blue Collar Trump voters don't vote in high percentages, they can't win because they've lost so much elsewhere and the Dems are so much more motivated. I think we will see a lot of the Hollering Mob Show in the next 3 months.

I'd also like to add, that no one has really polled the Romney/Johnson and Obama/Johnson voters. I suspect virtually all Obama/Johnson voters are Dems this year, and that probably at least half of the Romney/Johnson voters are too (but I suspect a LOT of them are just non-voters right now)

----

I think that's the GOP's problem. They're going to have trouble winning with blue collar GOP turnout low. But it seems that the only thing that they have to give them is a circus.

They also cannot afford a lower turnout from the white collar Obama/Trump voters either. But because the big issue with Trump's 'coalition' is voter participation in blue collar areas, the GOP is not messaging this group much.
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(08-08-2018 05:42 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 09:56 AM)bullet Wrote:  Pessimistic Republican view of the results.

American Greatness is an unbashed pro-Trump website.

https://amgreatness.com/2018/08/07/ohio-...t-winning/

Republicans and Trump supporters needed some good political news, and they got it Tuesday night in the special election for Ohio’s 12th Congressional District.

"Republican Troy Balderson’s narrow, one-point win doesn’t mean a “red wave” is swelling. Instead, the results contain both good and troubling news for President Trump and his party. Rather than setting the GOP at ease, these results should serve as a wake-up call to improve their focus on swing voters before the November elections....

It might be troubling for many Republican leaders to hear this, but it appears these voters <Romney/Clinton> are lost to the GOP in most races this year. The booming economy might be attracting yet another group of voters, those who voted for Romney and either Gary Johnson or Evan McMullin, to stay with the party. But there is no evidence that this, the tax cuts, or any other policy measure yet devised can overcome the antipathy many of the Romney/Clinton voters feel for the president.

Ultimately, enough of these voters have to be won back if a new Republican Party is to become the clear majority party. But that won’t happen this year, and the party needs to plan accordingly.


What should trouble the party more than this drag on their numbers is the apparent weakness Republican candidates have among the Obama/Trump voters....

Restricting immigration is part of that appeal, but only a part. Trump won these voters’ loyalty because he showed them he cared about their lives, their aspirations, and their role in building America. That means talking about a lot of things many Republicans prefer to avoid...."

While most of that post is simple partisan hackery.

There's actually something in this far right wing analysis I agree with.

Romney/Clinton voters are staying with the Dems. While I generally agree with his analysis of Obama/Trump voters, I think you can divide them into 2 groups.

1) Obama/Trump voters (blue collar). They appear to be sticking with Trump but are doing so at a far lower level of voter participation. Saccone and Moore got the percentages out of these groups they needed to win, but NOT the participation rate.

2) Obama/Trump voters (white collar). They appear to be sticking around in some cases. This was the case of a largely "Country Club" Republican running with the endorsement of a very popular and very moderate Republican Governor. In Arizona they bailed. In Alabama they bailed. In Pennsylvania they bailed. In Montana, Ohio, and Georgia, they didn't. I think this was simply the result of the GOP putting up the correct candidate. Balderson barely won his primary. That other candidate would have probably lost by 5 points.

----

I think that's why you see the Trump rallies. The GOP knows its driving up Dem participation and probably making Obama/Trump voters uncomfortable, but the problem they have that if the Blue Collar Trump voters don't vote in high percentages, they can't win because they've lost so much elsewhere and the Dems are so much more motivated. I think we will see a lot of the Hollering Mob Show in the next 3 months.

I'd also like to add, that no one has really polled the Romney/Johnson and Obama/Johnson voters. I suspect virtually all Obama/Johnson voters are Dems this year, and that probably at least half of the Romney/Johnson voters are too (but I suspect a LOT of them are just non-voters right now)

----

I think that's the GOP's problem. They're going to have trouble winning with blue collar GOP turnout low. But it seems that the only thing that they have to give them is a circus.

They also cannot afford a lower turnout from the white collar Obama/Trump voters either. But because the big issue with Trump's 'coalition' is voter participation in blue collar areas, the GOP is not messaging this group much.

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(08-08-2018 05:31 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  Put it this way:
Dems tell me to my face what they plan to do.
Republicans lie to me telling me they'll do one thing but then do what the Dems do.

Pretty much.

And I don't want anyone--R or D--doing what the D's say they are going to do.
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(08-08-2018 06:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 05:31 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  Put it this way:
Dems tell me to my face what they plan to do.
Republicans lie to me telling me they'll do one thing but then do what the Dems do.

Pretty much.

And I don't want anyone--R or D--doing what the D's say they are going to do.

I just saw a line item list for the progressives for all their free shite that would cost 231T over the next 30 yrs.....yeah that's with a T and am certain it doesn't account for the drop in the value of the USD starting immediately out of the gate.....

not that we didn't know this, but these dipshites have finally let go of the last brain cell they thought was once valid.....

this is the only battle that matters right now......

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