(06-21-2018 04:52 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote: (06-20-2018 11:23 PM)Sapper7 Wrote: (06-20-2018 11:59 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote: (06-20-2018 10:18 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote: (06-19-2018 11:48 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote: As of 2016 Utah State had the most G5 players in NFL that year. Have not seen current data.
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ucf 23
Cinci 21
houston 19
USF 18
boise 22
SDSU 17
Utah St 15
fresno 12
didn't bother looking up anyone else as I expect these to be the top of each conference. AAC again dominating MWC in another category. MWC fans feel free to fill in the blanks
http://www.espn.com/nfl/college/_/letter/s
This seems like so many other things - recruiting, attendance, budget, end-of-year rankings, ratings/viewers. One or two mwc schools slide into the top third or top half of the AAC, but the mwc homers look at that and say "Well, if you look at the top, which is what really matters, we're just the same, and even if there is a little edge to the American now it's all cyclical."
Nope, not the same, not even close, and it is year after year after year.
Meanwhile, his/her posts in this thread are Sapper7's second and third posts. On his first one I called him/her out for being fast and loose with "facts." He/she was touting SDSU for the NY6 over then-favorite USF saying that the AAC division was weaker than FCS, when in fact, Sagarin had SDSU's division behind the MVC, not either AAC division. I started out with a raised eyebrow that he/she said "empirical data" when he/she had actually only claimed factoids, not data. His/her posts in this thread appear to be just as strong.
Maybe mods could edit his/her posts to insert air quotes anytime he/she uses words like "fact" or "data" ? I for one will start reflexively asking him/her for links.
I heartily welcome anyone on this board to attempt to refute anything I have posted here that was stated as a "fact." Also, if the author of the drivel above references any dictionary, he/she will become better educated with the definition of what "data" actually is and what comprises that "data."
Additional, the FCS's MVC most definitely had a higher Sagarin rating than the AAC East Division at the time the post he/she is referring to was written. Please provide your own damn link indicating this was inaccurate.
Here is the exchange in question:
https://csnbbs.com/thread-833568-post-14...id14785887
21 minutes after your post, I went to Sagarin for the info in mine. Sorry that I just typed without linking at the time. But one of us blustered and one of us came back with facts.
And you know what, that order stayed true after all the games were played--MWC West is STILL behind the MVC, and AAC East is still ahead of any FCS.
http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm
Over the course of my commute I realized I wanted to come back to this for clarity.
There were two aspects that made Sapper7's November post laughable. First was the point that the AAC East was "a really weak division that would be rated below at least one FCS conference if UCF wasn't also in it." I was scoffing at that as a random, unprovable hypothetical. The SEC West would be ranked lower without Alabama in it. So what?
Sapper7's November silliness was compounded by talking up SDSU, whose division actually WAS rated below on FCS conference.
But now, in the bolded statement, RE-asserting something that was never asserted in the first place? That's a whole new level of contra-factual.
Edited to add --
After even more thought, I want to offer a rhetorical lifeline to Sapper7. I want to give you credit that in your bolded statement you meant that the hypothetical 5-team AAC East division would in fact have been ranked lower than the MVC, that is, that on or about 15 November 2017 you looked at the Sagarin Ratings for USF, Temple, ECU, Cincinnati, and UConn and calculated the Central Mean like Jeff does, and it was lower than the MVC. That is mathematically possible: in the end of year Sagarin rankings I linked, the simple average of the Sagarin Ratings for the AAC East without UCF stayed higher than the MVC or the mwc West, but the Central Mean of the Sagarin Ratings for the AAC East without UCF came out to 60.396, decimal dust behind the MVC 60.72 but still well ahead of the mwc West at 58.99.
Sadly we cannot recreate your work of 15 November - I can't find archived weeks of Sagarin.
Massey Composite does a good job of archiving, and we CAN see the ordinal Sagarin ratings following the games of 11 November 2017.
https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/arch/co...017-11.htm
The average ordinal ranking of the AAC East without UCF stays COMFORTABLY ahead of the mwc West, but that doesn't really answer the question.
If you say you did that math seven months ago...I'll take you at your word.
1. So what? SEC West would be ranked lower without Alabama, too. But Bama is in the SEC-West and UCF is in the AAC East
2. Second so what - SoS factors into ranking systems and USF was ahead of SDSU in all of them at that point in time, weak schedule and weak division included.
3. The AAC East being weaker without UCF or weak overall...still stronger than the mwc West - you were ragging on a made-up five team division being worse than the MVC when SDSU's actual, real-life division WAS IN FACT worse than the MVC.
