(06-18-2018 03:51 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  ECU basketball only. Park our football in the SEC.
UCONN football only. Park their basketball in the ACC.

As KD would say I got to do what's right for me


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(06-18-2018 03:42 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  The draw of taking Boise from the MWC isn't so much the $$ they'd add, it's killing off our competition for the New Year's contract bowl.

Remember when Marshall started out great with an absolutely cr@p schedule... and the media were talking them up for the access bowl? I don't think SOS matters, unfortunately any undefeated G4 will get that kind of love, even if it's only to put a dagger in the AAC.

(06-18-2018 02:50 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 02:30 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 02:06 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 02:04 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 12:24 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  Need? No. But it certainly would add a lot of value. With the AAC's success... they may think again about making the jump but with less leverage to make all types of demands.

They're all alone in a conference that pays them $2.8mil/yr. We're poised for a TV deal that would be 2x-4x more...

Boise adds nothing but travel costs.

You're out of your mind. They are the biggest and strongest brand in the G5...

Wrong, they had the strongest and biggest brand of nonBCS teams.

Not so much anymore. They were behind 3 AAC teams in rankings last year as a double digits win total and got beat down by Virginia on the Smurf turf. They have one appearence in a NY6 since the change to cfp. They lag far behind in ratings even with a sweetheart set up. Boise adds no extra value and lots of extra cost.

Their brand value hasn't diminished. They finished behind 2 (not 3) AAC schools last year in the rankings, yes. But they had 3 losses. No AAC school was ranked during the season with 3 losses, but they were. And they beat Oregon in their bowl game.

They're a very good team and an awesome brand name that commands a lot of respect/attention. That's a simple fact. They are carrying that conference by themselves. They get $2.9mil/yr while the rest of their conference gets $1.1mil/yr. They come over to our conference and it would be widely viewed as a huge addition and a consolidation of the top G5 programs... and would very much help drive the P6 agenda.

As far as extra costs, the amount of $$$ we could make annually from a TV deal with them in it would easily pay for those... especially if you're talking about football-only to balance out Witchata's BBall only invite. Then the added travel expenses are minimal at best.

I disagree. While the BSU brand is not weak, all signs point to plateauing or trending downward vs. upward trajectory be it ratings, licensing, CFP rankings... They are not the darlings they once were, but that doesn't mean they cant get back there.

In 2016, both Navy and Temple (with three losses each) finished in the final CFP poll ranked ahead of a two loss unranked BSU. They are not getting the deference many originally thought they would from the committee. The recently signed Nike licensing deal is very comparable to the current Memphis deal (still being tweaked with the Penny hire) and less than some other AAC team contracts. Ratings have been discussed ad nauseum here and their games vs. MWC foes don't compare favorably to current AAC conference games.

All of this to say, they still have name recognition and some cache. But if they were a stock, their value appears to have been plateauing and slowing declining from historic highs. Based on their current climate/market share/competitors, I personally would not categorize them as a growth stock. However, their fundamentals would probably look better in the AAC...ratings, rankings and rights.

Boise State has been ranked in the AP Top-25 at some point for 16 consecutive seasons and that streak will almost assuredly go to 17 when the preseason polls are released this year. Without doing the research, I suspect it is fairly likely that the teams that currently comprise the AAC combined cannot make the same claim.

There is no question BSU has been in a comparative down cycle for the last five years, but that down cycle has still produced a 50-17 record and a Fiesta Bowl win. I'm pretty sure that five-year record is better than any AAC team by a pretty significant margin. Additionally, the national consensus is that BSU will field perhaps its best team since the Kellen Moore era this year, so the speculation that BSU is in a downward spiral doesn't seem to be very accurate.

I understand why not wanting to potentially add BSU make sense from a logistical/travel standpoint, but not wanting to add them because peeps don't think they would add some serious value to the conference is not very well informed IMO.

(06-19-2018 12:06 PM)Sapper7 Wrote:  Boise State has been ranked in the AP Top-25 at some point for 16 consecutive seasons and that streak will almost assuredly go to 17 when the preseason polls are released this year. Without doing the research, I suspect it is fairly likely that the teams that currently comprise the AAC combined cannot make the same claim.

There is no question BSU has been in a comparative down cycle for the last five years, but that down cycle has still produced a 50-17 record and a Fiesta Bowl win. I'm pretty sure that five-year record is better than any AAC team by a pretty significant margin. Additionally, the national consensus is that BSU will field perhaps its best team since the Kellen Moore era this year, so the speculation that BSU is in a downward spiral doesn't seem to be very accurate.

I understand why not wanting to potentially add BSU make sense from a logistical/travel standpoint, but not wanting to add them because peeps don't think they would add some serious value to the conference is not very well informed IMO.

Problem BSU has is that its stuck in quicksand called MWC. Will they go under before conference realignment saves them is the big question.

(06-19-2018 12:06 PM)Sapper7 Wrote:  Boise State has been ranked in the AP Top-25 at some point for 16 consecutive seasons and that streak will almost assuredly go to 17 when the preseason polls are released this year. Without doing the research, I suspect it is fairly likely that the teams that currently comprise the AAC combined cannot make the same claim.

There is no question BSU has been in a comparative down cycle for the last five years, but that down cycle has still produced a 50-17 record and a Fiesta Bowl win. I'm pretty sure that five-year record is better than any AAC team by a pretty significant margin. Additionally, the national consensus is that BSU will field perhaps its best team since the Kellen Moore era this year, so the speculation that BSU is in a downward spiral doesn't seem to be very accurate.

I understand why not wanting to potentially add BSU make sense from a logistical/travel standpoint, but not wanting to add them because peeps don't think they would add some serious value to the conference is not very well informed IMO.

You realize we have had our second place team ranked pretty much every year since we started? Sometimes 3 at the same time.

Before the AAC I know Cincy spent a ton of time ranked. USF climbed into the rankings a bunch. Houston a ton as well. Tulsa and Navy have popped up as well.

Boise was a big deal but since the cfp Boise has finished behind an AAC team every year but one and several years behind two AAC teams.

They don't really add anything but travel. Their highest ratings don't make the AAC top 5 probably not the top 10.

(06-19-2018 04:01 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 12:06 PM)Sapper7 Wrote:  Boise State has been ranked in the AP Top-25 at some point for 16 consecutive seasons and that streak will almost assuredly go to 17 when the preseason polls are released this year. Without doing the research, I suspect it is fairly likely that the teams that currently comprise the AAC combined cannot make the same claim.

There is no question BSU has been in a comparative down cycle for the last five years, but that down cycle has still produced a 50-17 record and a Fiesta Bowl win. I'm pretty sure that five-year record is better than any AAC team by a pretty significant margin. Additionally, the national consensus is that BSU will field perhaps its best team since the Kellen Moore era this year, so the speculation that BSU is in a downward spiral doesn't seem to be very accurate.

I understand why not wanting to potentially add BSU make sense from a logistical/travel standpoint, but not wanting to add them because peeps don't think they would add some serious value to the conference is not very well informed IMO.

You realize we have had our second place team ranked pretty much every year since we started? Sometimes 3 at the same time.

Before the AAC I know Cincy spent a ton of time ranked. USF climbed into the rankings a bunch. Houston a ton as well. Tulsa and Navy have popped up as well.

Boise was a big deal but since the cfp Boise has finished behind an AAC team every year but one and several years behind two AAC teams.

They don't really add anything but travel. Their highest ratings don't make the AAC top 5 probably not the top 10.

dont forget us

(06-19-2018 12:06 PM)Sapper7 Wrote:  Boise State has been ranked in the AP Top-25 at some point for 16 consecutive seasons and that streak will almost assuredly go to 17 when the preseason polls are released this year. Without doing the research, I suspect it is fairly likely that the teams that currently comprise the AAC combined cannot make the same claim.

There is no question BSU has been in a comparative down cycle for the last five years, but that down cycle has still produced a 50-17 record and a Fiesta Bowl win. I'm pretty sure that five-year record is better than any AAC team by a pretty significant margin. Additionally, the national consensus is that BSU will field perhaps its best team since the Kellen Moore era this year, so the speculation that BSU is in a downward spiral doesn't seem to be very accurate.

I understand why not wanting to potentially add BSU make sense from a logistical/travel standpoint, but not wanting to add them because peeps don't think they would add some serious value to the conference is not very well informed IMO.

AAC fans can make an argument against Boise on the basis of value and be VERY well informed. The argument isn't that Boise has zero value - even the post arguing that Boise's best days are behind them starts by acknowledging that Boise has some brand value. The point is they don't bring ADDITIVE value. If we are talking about a $10 million per school deal, then to ADD anything at all (even a decimal) to that Boise would have to be worth $11.3 million showing up by themselves, or Boise and #14 would have to bring $21.3 million. They're not worth that. Even at the low end of AAC estimates - if we are talking $6 million per school then to bump that by a half a million each, hey need to bring over $12 million by themselves. They're not worth that.
Your "without doing the research" makes the point for us as well. I flipped back through FINAL rankings and one of the current 12 AAC teams was in FINAL rankings from 2017 going back to 2007. Boise doesn't bring anything the AAC doesn't already have. Sure they have name recognition, they were the original BCS-buster, 2007 was great complete with Statue of Liberty and proposal to cheerleader. But UCF and Houston and UCF have been to New Year's Day since the American Started. UConn went to a Fiesta Bowl. You have to go back to nineteen-dickety-two but Navy has been to Cotton, Sugar, Orange, and Rose Bowls.
Your last five years record? I don't know about some of our other strong performers, but Navy has been 44-22 in that time. I wouldn't call one W/L a year a "pretty significant margin" better.
We've had conversations like this with Boise/mwc fans previously:Boise has been good, very good...and have done nothing that you can't find a match with multiple AAC teams. They're not on some other level, and they don't pass the "What have you done lately" test very well. One of the previous conversations, I was bragging on Army-Navy TV getting more viewers, and a Boise fan said "Boise has!"...well, not since 2010. Even your 2014 Fiesta Bowl didn't beat Army-Navy in that year.


If we got poached by the BigXII and needed a replacement? Sure. Do they add enough value to go after them otherwise? Almost certainly not.

(06-19-2018 04:01 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 12:06 PM)Sapper7 Wrote:  Boise State has been ranked in the AP Top-25 at some point for 16 consecutive seasons and that streak will almost assuredly go to 17 when the preseason polls are released this year. Without doing the research, I suspect it is fairly likely that the teams that currently comprise the AAC combined cannot make the same claim.

There is no question BSU has been in a comparative down cycle for the last five years, but that down cycle has still produced a 50-17 record and a Fiesta Bowl win. I'm pretty sure that five-year record is better than any AAC team by a pretty significant margin. Additionally, the national consensus is that BSU will field perhaps its best team since the Kellen Moore era this year, so the speculation that BSU is in a downward spiral doesn't seem to be very accurate.

I understand why not wanting to potentially add BSU make sense from a logistical/travel standpoint, but not wanting to add them because peeps don't think they would add some serious value to the conference is not very well informed IMO.

You realize we have had our second place team ranked pretty much every year since we started? Sometimes 3 at the same time.

Before the AAC I know Cincy spent a ton of time ranked. USF climbed into the rankings a bunch. Houston a ton as well. Tulsa and Navy have popped up as well.

Boise was a big deal but since the cfp Boise has finished behind an AAC team every year but one and several years behind two AAC teams.

They don't really add anything but travel. Their highest ratings don't make the AAC top 5 probably not the top 10.

You realize that none of the teams you describe above have appeared in the Top-25 even remotely close to half as much as BSU has in the last two decades? Plus, Tulsa and Cincy have been terrible recently and Houston and Navy were fairly mediocre last year. No team in the AAC or any other non-power conferences can even sniff the consistency with which Boise has won over the last two decades and that is what separates them from everyone else. Just last year BSU won 11 games and finished in the Top-25. The year before they won 10 games and were in the Top-25 for the majority of the season, so they're definitely not fading away either.

I can continue to rattle off facts as to why Boise is viewed outside the AAC footprint as the preeminent non-P5 school nationally (like the fact that BSU has produced more 1st round and overall NFL draft picks than any other non-P5 team over the last decade), but I'm guessing no amount of empirical data will change your guys' minds on this.

(06-19-2018 04:38 PM)Huskypride Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 04:01 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 12:06 PM)Sapper7 Wrote:  Boise State has been ranked in the AP Top-25 at some point for 16 consecutive seasons and that streak will almost assuredly go to 17 when the preseason polls are released this year. Without doing the research, I suspect it is fairly likely that the teams that currently comprise the AAC combined cannot make the same claim.

There is no question BSU has been in a comparative down cycle for the last five years, but that down cycle has still produced a 50-17 record and a Fiesta Bowl win. I'm pretty sure that five-year record is better than any AAC team by a pretty significant margin. Additionally, the national consensus is that BSU will field perhaps its best team since the Kellen Moore era this year, so the speculation that BSU is in a downward spiral doesn't seem to be very accurate.

I understand why not wanting to potentially add BSU make sense from a logistical/travel standpoint, but not wanting to add them because peeps don't think they would add some serious value to the conference is not very well informed IMO.

You realize we have had our second place team ranked pretty much every year since we started? Sometimes 3 at the same time.

Before the AAC I know Cincy spent a ton of time ranked. USF climbed into the rankings a bunch. Houston a ton as well. Tulsa and Navy have popped up as well.

Boise was a big deal but since the cfp Boise has finished behind an AAC team every year but one and several years behind two AAC teams.

They don't really add anything but travel. Their highest ratings don't make the AAC top 5 probably not the top 10.

dont forget us

Oops my bad. UConn was pretty good too, bcs bowl and all that.

In fact Memphis and USF are the only teams who haslve never been to a ny6 bowl.

Orange Bowl:
Tulsa
Cincy

Sugar:
Tulsa(2x)
Cincy
Tulane(2x)
Temple

Rose:
Tulane
SMU

Cotton:
Houston(4x)
SMU(3x)

Fiesta:
UConn
UCF

Peach:
ECU*
Houston
UCF

Memphis best bowl is the Liberty.

USF's best bowl is the Sun.

Several teams have been to the Sun, it would be a good bowl to consider with the Liberty and Independence as traditionaly known and prestigous bowls we have past experience with.

*Before the Peach became part of CFP

(06-19-2018 05:07 PM)Sapper7 Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 04:01 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 12:06 PM)Sapper7 Wrote:  Boise State has been ranked in the AP Top-25 at some point for 16 consecutive seasons and that streak will almost assuredly go to 17 when the preseason polls are released this year. Without doing the research, I suspect it is fairly likely that the teams that currently comprise the AAC combined cannot make the same claim.

There is no question BSU has been in a comparative down cycle for the last five years, but that down cycle has still produced a 50-17 record and a Fiesta Bowl win. I'm pretty sure that five-year record is better than any AAC team by a pretty significant margin. Additionally, the national consensus is that BSU will field perhaps its best team since the Kellen Moore era this year, so the speculation that BSU is in a downward spiral doesn't seem to be very accurate.

I understand why not wanting to potentially add BSU make sense from a logistical/travel standpoint, but not wanting to add them because peeps don't think they would add some serious value to the conference is not very well informed IMO.

You realize we have had our second place team ranked pretty much every year since we started? Sometimes 3 at the same time.

Before the AAC I know Cincy spent a ton of time ranked. USF climbed into the rankings a bunch. Houston a ton as well. Tulsa and Navy have popped up as well.

Boise was a big deal but since the cfp Boise has finished behind an AAC team every year but one and several years behind two AAC teams.

They don't really add anything but travel. Their highest ratings don't make the AAC top 5 probably not the top 10.

You realize that none of the teams you describe above have appeared in the Top-25 even remotely close to half as much as BSU has in the last two decades? Plus, Tulsa and Cincy have been terrible recently and Houston and Navy were fairly mediocre last year. No team in the AAC or any other non-power conferences can even sniff the consistency with which Boise has won over the last two decades and that is what separates them from everyone else. Just last year BSU won 11 games and finished in the Top-25. The year before they won 10 games and were in the Top-25 for the majority of the season, so they're definitely not fading away either.

I can continue to rattle off facts as to why Boise is viewed outside the AAC footprint as the preeminent non-P5 school nationally (like the fact that BSU has produced more 1st round and overall NFL draft picks than any other non-P5 team over the last decade), but I'm guessing no amount of empirical data will change your guys' minds on this.

If you read what he wrote, you'd see he mentioned that the AAC has had the equivalent of Boise's success with the group of teams mentioned. He did not say any one team. However, Boise's status is diminishing do to it's lack of recent success and the diminishing view of it's conference mates. Face it, the MWC is not the AAC. Boise may be able to run through the MWC year after year but, it would not be able to do the same in the ACC. Heck lately, Boise can't even make it through the MWC without troubles.

The point is, Boise has no intrinsic value for the AAC schools. It doesn't add to their overall value on a per school basis and that's the point. Lets move on. I never did understand the Boise love. It's easy to run through a conference when you're the strongest member and the deck is stacked in your favor. Like when Boise had a huge recruiting advantage do to taking Non-Quals. This is a new day and while the Sun is still rising in the east, people have begun to realize that the Sun is setting on the west.

(06-19-2018 05:07 PM)Sapper7 Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 04:01 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 12:06 PM)Sapper7 Wrote:  Boise State has been ranked in the AP Top-25 at some point for 16 consecutive seasons and that streak will almost assuredly go to 17 when the preseason polls are released this year. Without doing the research, I suspect it is fairly likely that the teams that currently comprise the AAC combined cannot make the same claim.

There is no question BSU has been in a comparative down cycle for the last five years, but that down cycle has still produced a 50-17 record and a Fiesta Bowl win. I'm pretty sure that five-year record is better than any AAC team by a pretty significant margin. Additionally, the national consensus is that BSU will field perhaps its best team since the Kellen Moore era this year, so the speculation that BSU is in a downward spiral doesn't seem to be very accurate.

I understand why not wanting to potentially add BSU make sense from a logistical/travel standpoint, but not wanting to add them because peeps don't think they would add some serious value to the conference is not very well informed IMO.

You realize we have had our second place team ranked pretty much every year since we started? Sometimes 3 at the same time.

Before the AAC I know Cincy spent a ton of time ranked. USF climbed into the rankings a bunch. Houston a ton as well. Tulsa and Navy have popped up as well.

Boise was a big deal but since the cfp Boise has finished behind an AAC team every year but one and several years behind two AAC teams.

They don't really add anything but travel. Their highest ratings don't make the AAC top 5 probably not the top 10.

You realize that none of the teams you describe above have appeared in the Top-25 even remotely close to half as much as BSU has in the last two decades? Plus, Tulsa and Cincy have been terrible recently and Houston and Navy were fairly mediocre last year. No team in the AAC or any other non-power conferences can even sniff the consistency with which Boise has won over the last two decades and that is what separates them from everyone else. Just last year BSU won 11 games and finished in the Top-25. The year before they won 10 games and were in the Top-25 for the majority of the season, so they're definitely not fading away either.

I can continue to rattle off facts as to why Boise is viewed outside the AAC footprint as the preeminent non-P5 school nationally (like the fact that BSU has produced more 1st round and overall NFL draft picks than any other non-P5 team over the last decade), but I'm guessing no amount of empirical data will change your guys' minds on this.

Link? And what about current players in the NFL?

(06-19-2018 05:13 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 04:38 PM)Huskypride Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 04:01 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 12:06 PM)Sapper7 Wrote:  Boise State has been ranked in the AP Top-25 at some point for 16 consecutive seasons and that streak will almost assuredly go to 17 when the preseason polls are released this year. Without doing the research, I suspect it is fairly likely that the teams that currently comprise the AAC combined cannot make the same claim.

There is no question BSU has been in a comparative down cycle for the last five years, but that down cycle has still produced a 50-17 record and a Fiesta Bowl win. I'm pretty sure that five-year record is better than any AAC team by a pretty significant margin. Additionally, the national consensus is that BSU will field perhaps its best team since the Kellen Moore era this year, so the speculation that BSU is in a downward spiral doesn't seem to be very accurate.

I understand why not wanting to potentially add BSU make sense from a logistical/travel standpoint, but not wanting to add them because peeps don't think they would add some serious value to the conference is not very well informed IMO.

You realize we have had our second place team ranked pretty much every year since we started? Sometimes 3 at the same time.

Before the AAC I know Cincy spent a ton of time ranked. USF climbed into the rankings a bunch. Houston a ton as well. Tulsa and Navy have popped up as well.

Boise was a big deal but since the cfp Boise has finished behind an AAC team every year but one and several years behind two AAC teams.

They don't really add anything but travel. Their highest ratings don't make the AAC top 5 probably not the top 10.

dont forget us

Oops my bad. UConn was pretty good too, bcs bowl and all that.

In fact Memphis and USF are the only teams who haslve never been to a ny6 bowl.

Orange Bowl:
Tulsa
Cincy

Sugar:
Tulsa(2x)
Cincy
Navy
Tulane(2x)
Temple

Rose:
Navy
Tulane
SMU

Cotton:
Houston(4x)
SMU(3x)
Navy (2x)

Fiesta:
UConn
UCF

Peach:
ECU*
Houston
UCF

Memphis best bowl is the Liberty.

USF's best bowl is the Sun.

Several teams have been to the Sun, it would be a good bowl to consider with the Liberty and Independence as traditionaly known and prestigous bowls we have past experience with.

Before the Peach became part of CFP

I've added Navy's five New Year's Day bowls for you

(06-19-2018 05:07 PM)Sapper7 Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 04:01 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 12:06 PM)Sapper7 Wrote:  Boise State has been ranked in the AP Top-25 at some point for 16 consecutive seasons and that streak will almost assuredly go to 17 when the preseason polls are released this year. Without doing the research, I suspect it is fairly likely that the teams that currently comprise the AAC combined cannot make the same claim.

There is no question BSU has been in a comparative down cycle for the last five years, but that down cycle has still produced a 50-17 record and a Fiesta Bowl win. I'm pretty sure that five-year record is better than any AAC team by a pretty significant margin. Additionally, the national consensus is that BSU will field perhaps its best team since the Kellen Moore era this year, so the speculation that BSU is in a downward spiral doesn't seem to be very accurate.

I understand why not wanting to potentially add BSU make sense from a logistical/travel standpoint, but not wanting to add them because peeps don't think they would add some serious value to the conference is not very well informed IMO.

You realize we have had our second place team ranked pretty much every year since we started? Sometimes 3 at the same time.

Before the AAC I know Cincy spent a ton of time ranked. USF climbed into the rankings a bunch. Houston a ton as well. Tulsa and Navy have popped up as well.

Boise was a big deal but since the cfp Boise has finished behind an AAC team every year but one and several years behind two AAC teams.

They don't really add anything but travel. Their highest ratings don't make the AAC top 5 probably not the top 10.

You realize that none of the teams you describe above have appeared in the Top-25 even remotely close to half as much as BSU has in the last two decades? Plus, Tulsa and Cincy have been terrible recently and Houston and Navy were fairly mediocre last year. No team in the AAC or any other non-power conferences can even sniff the consistency with which Boise has won over the last two decades and that is what separates them from everyone else. Just last year BSU won 11 games and finished in the Top-25. The year before they won 10 games and were in the Top-25 for the majority of the season, so they're definitely not fading away either.

I can continue to rattle off facts as to why Boise is viewed outside the AAC footprint as the preeminent non-P5 school nationally (like the fact that BSU has produced more 1st round and overall NFL draft picks than any other non-P5 team over the last decade), but I'm guessing no amount of empirical data will change your guys' minds on this.

Sapper7, YOU started the conversation with "more than all the current AAC teams combined" and then when we dogpiled on you, you backpedaled to Boise more than any single team. Ha ha ha, moving the goalposts.
That may have been bravado on your part, but it is the argument I would have made anyway - we are talking about the conference as a whole and whether Boise would be additive, and when you look at the conference as a whole, they wouldn't. Period.

Boise has been good. Very good. But for every Boise superlative, we can come up with something at least matching it from one AAC team or another.
Here is one: since 2003, Navy has more wins over BCS auto-qual or CFP P5 conference teams as a non BCS auto-qual or non CFP P5 team. period.

(06-19-2018 05:07 PM)Sapper7 Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 04:01 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 12:06 PM)Sapper7 Wrote:  Boise State has been ranked in the AP Top-25 at some point for 16 consecutive seasons and that streak will almost assuredly go to 17 when the preseason polls are released this year. Without doing the research, I suspect it is fairly likely that the teams that currently comprise the AAC combined cannot make the same claim.

There is no question BSU has been in a comparative down cycle for the last five years, but that down cycle has still produced a 50-17 record and a Fiesta Bowl win. I'm pretty sure that five-year record is better than any AAC team by a pretty significant margin. Additionally, the national consensus is that BSU will field perhaps its best team since the Kellen Moore era this year, so the speculation that BSU is in a downward spiral doesn't seem to be very accurate.

I understand why not wanting to potentially add BSU make sense from a logistical/travel standpoint, but not wanting to add them because peeps don't think they would add some serious value to the conference is not very well informed IMO.

You realize we have had our second place team ranked pretty much every year since we started? Sometimes 3 at the same time.

Before the AAC I know Cincy spent a ton of time ranked. USF climbed into the rankings a bunch. Houston a ton as well. Tulsa and Navy have popped up as well.

Boise was a big deal but since the cfp Boise has finished behind an AAC team every year but one and several years behind two AAC teams.

They don't really add anything but travel. Their highest ratings don't make the AAC top 5 probably not the top 10.

You realize that none of the teams you describe above have appeared in the Top-25 even remotely close to half as much as BSU has in the last two decades? Plus, Tulsa and Cincy have been terrible recently and Houston and Navy were fairly mediocre last year. No team in the AAC or any other non-power conferences can even sniff the consistency with which Boise has won over the last two decades and that is what separates them from everyone else. Just last year BSU won 11 games and finished in the Top-25. The year before they won 10 games and were in the Top-25 for the majority of the season, so they're definitely not fading away either.

I can continue to rattle off facts as to why Boise is viewed outside the AAC footprint as the preeminent non-P5 school nationally (like the fact that BSU has produced more 1st round and overall NFL draft picks than any other non-P5 team over the last decade), but I'm guessing no amount of empirical data will change your guys' minds on this.

Boise's streak of appearences is nice, but you said all of our teams combined.

End votes are what count and the ny6 bowl game from them.

Ny6 bowl games since 2000

Boise st. 3
UCF 2
Cincy 2
Houston 1
UConn 1

Boise has only one since 2010. That's not killing it. As I said before end of the 1990s-2009. Yeah they're a big deal. Since then not so much.

Not worth the extra travel cost for a team with a sweetheart deal that struggles to get a game on level with the top 10 AAC games in ratings every year.

Boise is dying in the MW, no reason to change anything from our view point.

(06-19-2018 05:13 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 04:38 PM)Huskypride Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 04:01 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 12:06 PM)Sapper7 Wrote:  Boise State has been ranked in the AP Top-25 at some point for 16 consecutive seasons and that streak will almost assuredly go to 17 when the preseason polls are released this year. Without doing the research, I suspect it is fairly likely that the teams that currently comprise the AAC combined cannot make the same claim.

There is no question BSU has been in a comparative down cycle for the last five years, but that down cycle has still produced a 50-17 record and a Fiesta Bowl win. I'm pretty sure that five-year record is better than any AAC team by a pretty significant margin. Additionally, the national consensus is that BSU will field perhaps its best team since the Kellen Moore era this year, so the speculation that BSU is in a downward spiral doesn't seem to be very accurate.

I understand why not wanting to potentially add BSU make sense from a logistical/travel standpoint, but not wanting to add them because peeps don't think they would add some serious value to the conference is not very well informed IMO.

You realize we have had our second place team ranked pretty much every year since we started? Sometimes 3 at the same time.

Before the AAC I know Cincy spent a ton of time ranked. USF climbed into the rankings a bunch. Houston a ton as well. Tulsa and Navy have popped up as well.

Boise was a big deal but since the cfp Boise has finished behind an AAC team every year but one and several years behind two AAC teams.

They don't really add anything but travel. Their highest ratings don't make the AAC top 5 probably not the top 10.

dont forget us

Oops my bad. UConn was pretty good too, bcs bowl and all that.

In fact Memphis and USF are the only teams who haslve never been to a ny6 bowl.

Orange Bowl:
Tulsa
Cincy

Sugar:
Tulsa(2x)
Cincy
Tulane(2x)
Temple

Rose:
Tulane
SMU

Cotton:
Houston(4x)
SMU(3x)

Fiesta:
UConn
UCF

Peach:
ECU*
Houston
UCF

Memphis best bowl is the Liberty.

USF's best bowl is the Sun.

Several teams have been to the Sun, it would be a good bowl to consider with the Liberty and Independence as traditionaly known and prestigous bowls we have past experience with.

Before the Peach became part of CFP

why does ECU have a *next to it? does hat symbolize anything or is it just a typo

(06-18-2018 04:54 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 03:42 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  The draw of taking Boise from the MWC isn't so much the $$ they'd add, it's killing off our competition for the New Year's contract bowl.

Remember when Marshall started out great with an absolutely cr@p schedule... and the media were talking them up for the access bowl? I don't think SOS matters, unfortunately any undefeated G4 will get that kind of love, even if it's only to put a dagger in the AAC.

Actually, Bull, when Marshall started out great, all the media talked about was their crap schedule. And when the CFP rankings came out, one-loss ECU was ranked and 8-0 Marshall wasn't. ECU was ahead of Marshall in that week's AP AND Coaches Polls.
The CFP committee talked about 12-0 WMU being vulnerable to being caught and passed by 2-loss Navy due to quality wins by Navy (all of which were in the AAC).

(06-19-2018 05:43 PM)Huskypride Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 05:13 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 04:38 PM)Huskypride Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 04:01 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 12:06 PM)Sapper7 Wrote:  Boise State has been ranked in the AP Top-25 at some point for 16 consecutive seasons and that streak will almost assuredly go to 17 when the preseason polls are released this year. Without doing the research, I suspect it is fairly likely that the teams that currently comprise the AAC combined cannot make the same claim.

There is no question BSU has been in a comparative down cycle for the last five years, but that down cycle has still produced a 50-17 record and a Fiesta Bowl win. I'm pretty sure that five-year record is better than any AAC team by a pretty significant margin. Additionally, the national consensus is that BSU will field perhaps its best team since the Kellen Moore era this year, so the speculation that BSU is in a downward spiral doesn't seem to be very accurate.

I understand why not wanting to potentially add BSU make sense from a logistical/travel standpoint, but not wanting to add them because peeps don't think they would add some serious value to the conference is not very well informed IMO.

You realize we have had our second place team ranked pretty much every year since we started? Sometimes 3 at the same time.

Before the AAC I know Cincy spent a ton of time ranked. USF climbed into the rankings a bunch. Houston a ton as well. Tulsa and Navy have popped up as well.

Boise was a big deal but since the cfp Boise has finished behind an AAC team every year but one and several years behind two AAC teams.

They don't really add anything but travel. Their highest ratings don't make the AAC top 5 probably not the top 10.

dont forget us

Oops my bad. UConn was pretty good too, bcs bowl and all that.

In fact Memphis and USF are the only teams who haslve never been to a ny6 bowl.

Orange Bowl:
Tulsa
Cincy

Sugar:
Tulsa(2x)
Cincy
Tulane(2x)
Temple

Rose:
Tulane
SMU

Cotton:
Houston(4x)
SMU(3x)

Fiesta:
UConn
UCF

Peach:
ECU*
Houston
UCF

Memphis best bowl is the Liberty.

USF's best bowl is the Sun.

Several teams have been to the Sun, it would be a good bowl to consider with the Liberty and Independence as traditionaly known and prestigous bowls we have past experience with.

Before the Peach became part of CFP

why does ECU have a *next to it? does hat symbolize anything or is it just a typo

My autocorrect deleted the astrick next the last line.

Their peach bowl invitation occurred before the Peach was considered ny6 bowl/cfp era.

(06-19-2018 05:15 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 05:07 PM)Sapper7 Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 04:01 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 12:06 PM)Sapper7 Wrote:  Boise State has been ranked in the AP Top-25 at some point for 16 consecutive seasons and that streak will almost assuredly go to 17 when the preseason polls are released this year. Without doing the research, I suspect it is fairly likely that the teams that currently comprise the AAC combined cannot make the same claim.

There is no question BSU has been in a comparative down cycle for the last five years, but that down cycle has still produced a 50-17 record and a Fiesta Bowl win. I'm pretty sure that five-year record is better than any AAC team by a pretty significant margin. Additionally, the national consensus is that BSU will field perhaps its best team since the Kellen Moore era this year, so the speculation that BSU is in a downward spiral doesn't seem to be very accurate.

I understand why not wanting to potentially add BSU make sense from a logistical/travel standpoint, but not wanting to add them because peeps don't think they would add some serious value to the conference is not very well informed IMO.

You realize we have had our second place team ranked pretty much every year since we started? Sometimes 3 at the same time.

Before the AAC I know Cincy spent a ton of time ranked. USF climbed into the rankings a bunch. Houston a ton as well. Tulsa and Navy have popped up as well.

Boise was a big deal but since the cfp Boise has finished behind an AAC team every year but one and several years behind two AAC teams.

They don't really add anything but travel. Their highest ratings don't make the AAC top 5 probably not the top 10.

You realize that none of the teams you describe above have appeared in the Top-25 even remotely close to half as much as BSU has in the last two decades? Plus, Tulsa and Cincy have been terrible recently and Houston and Navy were fairly mediocre last year. No team in the AAC or any other non-power conferences can even sniff the consistency with which Boise has won over the last two decades and that is what separates them from everyone else. Just last year BSU won 11 games and finished in the Top-25. The year before they won 10 games and were in the Top-25 for the majority of the season, so they're definitely not fading away either.

I can continue to rattle off facts as to why Boise is viewed outside the AAC footprint as the preeminent non-P5 school nationally (like the fact that BSU has produced more 1st round and overall NFL draft picks than any other non-P5 team over the last decade), but I'm guessing no amount of empirical data will change your guys' minds on this.

If you read what he wrote, you'd see he mentioned that the AAC has had the equivalent of Boise's success with the group of teams mentioned. He did not say any one team. However, Boise's status is diminishing do to it's lack of recent success and the diminishing view of it's conference mates. Face it, the MWC is not the AAC. Boise may be able to run through the MWC year after year but, it would not be able to do the same in the ACC. Heck lately, Boise can't even make it through the MWC without troubles.

The point is, Boise has no intrinsic value for the AAC schools. It doesn't add to their overall value on a per school basis and that's the point. Lets move on. I never did understand the Boise love. It's easy to run through a conference when you're the strongest member and the deck is stacked in your favor. Like when Boise had a huge recruiting advantage do to taking Non-Quals. This is a new day and while the Sun is still rising in the east, people have begun to realize that the Sun is setting on the west.

Something Boise would not be able to do in the AAC---which might cause an even further decline in Boise post Peterson performance.

(06-19-2018 05:15 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 05:07 PM)Sapper7 Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 04:01 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 12:06 PM)Sapper7 Wrote:  Boise State has been ranked in the AP Top-25 at some point for 16 consecutive seasons and that streak will almost assuredly go to 17 when the preseason polls are released this year. Without doing the research, I suspect it is fairly likely that the teams that currently comprise the AAC combined cannot make the same claim.

There is no question BSU has been in a comparative down cycle for the last five years, but that down cycle has still produced a 50-17 record and a Fiesta Bowl win. I'm pretty sure that five-year record is better than any AAC team by a pretty significant margin. Additionally, the national consensus is that BSU will field perhaps its best team since the Kellen Moore era this year, so the speculation that BSU is in a downward spiral doesn't seem to be very accurate.

I understand why not wanting to potentially add BSU make sense from a logistical/travel standpoint, but not wanting to add them because peeps don't think they would add some serious value to the conference is not very well informed IMO.

You realize we have had our second place team ranked pretty much every year since we started? Sometimes 3 at the same time.

Before the AAC I know Cincy spent a ton of time ranked. USF climbed into the rankings a bunch. Houston a ton as well. Tulsa and Navy have popped up as well.

Boise was a big deal but since the cfp Boise has finished behind an AAC team every year but one and several years behind two AAC teams.

They don't really add anything but travel. Their highest ratings don't make the AAC top 5 probably not the top 10.

You realize that none of the teams you describe above have appeared in the Top-25 even remotely close to half as much as BSU has in the last two decades? Plus, Tulsa and Cincy have been terrible recently and Houston and Navy were fairly mediocre last year. No team in the AAC or any other non-power conferences can even sniff the consistency with which Boise has won over the last two decades and that is what separates them from everyone else. Just last year BSU won 11 games and finished in the Top-25. The year before they won 10 games and were in the Top-25 for the majority of the season, so they're definitely not fading away either.

I can continue to rattle off facts as to why Boise is viewed outside the AAC footprint as the preeminent non-P5 school nationally (like the fact that BSU has produced more 1st round and overall NFL draft picks than any other non-P5 team over the last decade), but I'm guessing no amount of empirical data will change your guys' minds on this.

If you read what he wrote, you'd see he mentioned that the AAC has had the equivalent of Boise's success with the group of teams mentioned. He did not say any one team. However, Boise's status is diminishing do to it's lack of recent success and the diminishing view of it's conference mates. Face it, the MWC is not the AAC. Boise may be able to run through the MWC year after year but, it would not be able to do the same in the ACC. Heck lately, Boise can't even make it through the MWC without troubles.

The point is, Boise has no intrinsic value for the AAC schools. It doesn't add to their overall value on a per school basis and that's the point. Lets move on. I never did understand the Boise love. It's easy to run through a conference when you're the strongest member and the deck is stacked in your favor. Like when Boise had a huge recruiting advantage do to taking Non-Quals. This is a new day and while the Sun is still rising in the east, people have begun to realize that the Sun is setting on the west.

Something Boise would not be able to do in the AAC---which might cause an even further decline in Boise post Peterson performance.