(06-21-2018 05:07 PM)Gakusei Wrote: (06-21-2018 03:55 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: (06-21-2018 02:22 PM)Gakusei Wrote: Quote:You don't get it. They really do not want to be Americans. All they care about is the money. If their situations were only marginally better in their native lands - they wouldn't be trying to come to our country illegally.
What gives you this impression?
A) having spoken to many of them and
Highly anecdotal.
Quote:B) the tens of billions of dollars annually that they send to their families back home, rather than trying to bring that family here (either legally OR illegally)
There are plenty of extended families who make their way over here. Enough so that Trump wants to end "chain migration". What someone wants to do with their money once they've earned it really doesn't seem like it should matter, regardless.
This is what i laugh at....
You asked what gives someone an impression... and i gave you both an anecdotal reason AND a statistical one... and you use the two to argue against each other as if they are somehow interdependent. They're not.
The fact that some of them have specifically told me in person that they're only here for the money and don't want to become citizens is absolute proof of what you asked for. What gave me this impression? Their statements to that fact. I also know some who DO want to be citizens, but one does not eliminate the existence of the other. You act as if it does.
What convinces me that the experience I have is far from unusual is the massive amounts of money that go to Mexico and Central America as compared to other places.
The fact that there are plenty of families who make their way over here doesn't in any way negate the FACT that many of them also only care about the money....
I don't deny that lots of these people want to be citizens... and 'what gives me that impression' is similarly the anecdotal evidence of their statements and perhaps what they do with their money once here... like buy houses.
The last statement that 'what they do is their business' is also something I never argued against. While there are certainly some economic losses to the economy for money sent overseas, they earned it and they can do what they want with it... but what they do with it STILL often telegraphs their intentions.
If 4 men are living frugally in a cheap apartment and sending every dime they can back home, where their family is using the money to build a home, then the odds are they aren't interested in becoming a US citizen. If they're dating here and spending their money buying cars and taking care of a better apartment or even buying a home, and sending vastly less (or no) money home, then the probability is higher that they are interested in being citizens.
So are you going to address these facts? Or merely argue for the sake of arguing?