(06-19-2018 11:50 AM)hoopfan Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 11:41 AM)shere khan Wrote:  the weak minded are successfully being distracted from the coup hearings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCh4Dy_gzRw

That is all this is. It seemed odd this came out (muh children!) this last week. Another dead end failure by the left.

Its another orchestrated "uproar" to raise the blood pressure of the mindless progressives whose enthusiasm has been waning.

Few people are really enthused about this, but when you get the facts, if you are mad, it should be at Obama and his court appointees. And at the Senate Democrats for fighting any efforts to fix immigration and the Senate Republicans for not wanting to do much of anything (other than approve judges-I'll give them credit for that).

It's not uncommon for homeless parents in all 50 states to lose their children via CPS if they can't care for them on their own. Funny how that fact is forgotten. Even if you take the law breaking acts of these illegal immigrants out of the equation, the parents are homeless and cannot take care of their own kids financially. So...what's the difference between U.S. citizens who cannot financially take care of their kids vs illegals??? Politics...

(06-19-2018 06:19 PM)miko33 Wrote:  It's not uncommon for homeless parents in all 50 states to lose their children via CPS if they can't care for them on their own. Funny how that fact is forgotten. Even if you take the law breaking acts of these illegal immigrants out of the equation, the parents are homeless and cannot take care of their own kids financially. So...what's the difference between U.S. citizens who cannot financially take care of their kids vs illegals??? Politics...

If the illegal immigrants cannot take care of their children, they're subject to the same CPS rules as a US citizen.

(06-19-2018 11:04 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:42 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Send them home or give them to Mexico. Mexico should be charged 40k for everyone who passes thru there. Also, where is all the foreign aid money going that we give these countries?


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How are you going to 'charge' Mexico?

Our foreign aid isn't enough to pay for all the damage the US does to those countries by OUR aiding of gangs in those countries as a result of US drug, repatriation, and gun policies.

Last time I checked Pablo Escobar and his cartel were not citizens. Just because these countries are not good enough to rule properly is no excuse for us supporting their corruption. We have enough corruption of our own.


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(06-19-2018 12:09 PM)Oman Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 11:22 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  2) There is absolutely no reason or mandate to take away children who are crossing to apply for asylum. And there's no mandate to take kids away from parents for a misdemenor. This is Donald Trump. Not Bill Clinton

I'll bite. Generally, if the parents are NOT seeking asylum they are re-united with their children, often the same day, and sent back across the border. The kids are separated for a brief time for the misdemenor while they parents are evaluated and processed. What's the problem?

If they are seeking asylum the process takes longer than the US Government is allowed to detain the minor children. So the choice is to let the whole family go, house the whole family, or detain the parents and move the children into state custody. Which would you prefer?

You're painting a picture that every child is grabbed never to be re-united, and that's a cartoon of reality.

Barry kept them in cages, and kept it quiet.


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(06-19-2018 01:05 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 01:00 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 12:15 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 11:26 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:19 AM)Gakusei Wrote:  No, Republican governors, senators, congressmen, and state representatives are coming out against it, too. The only people for it at this point are those on the fringe right.

Just curious how many of those politicians happen to be up for reelection this year? Trying to score a few votes among "independents" and moderate fence sitters?

Putting your elected position ahead of the best interest of the country.

BTW, it wouldn't be the first time politicians became bootlickers. Wouldn't be the first time they tried to convince us a shite sandwich was a steak despite the public's disapproval. Or doesn't Obamacare ring a bell?

Are you saying that elected politicians should only listen to constituents when they're up for re-election?

If they actually LISTENED, there would already be a wall and no Obamacare.

It's political pandering pure & simple.

I've never seen a poll that says a majority of Americans support a wall. Since Trump took office, Obamacare has had a majority favorable rating.

How many of those that are in favor of Obamacare do you think are footing the bill? Ask someone that's self employed and lands in that sweet spot of $50K - $90K per year if they're in favor of it. Any poll like this will be skewed by those receiving subsidies and paying a fraction of the cost of those funding it. 110% of those getting the free ride are all for it I'm sure.

(06-19-2018 09:03 PM)HCJag Wrote:  How many of those that are in favor of Obamacare do you think are footing the bill? Ask someone that's self employed and lands in that sweet spot of $50K - $90K per year if they're in favor of it. Any poll like this will be skewed by those receiving subsidies and paying a fraction of the cost of those funding it. 110% of those getting the free ride are all for it I'm sure.

That’s true for a lot of things. I pay thousands of dollars a year to school districts, despite having no kids, for example. If a small portion of my taxes keeps someone from dying or living a terrible life, I’m ok with that. Not everyone feels the same about it, but I only control myself.

(06-19-2018 06:26 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 06:19 PM)miko33 Wrote:  It's not uncommon for homeless parents in all 50 states to lose their children via CPS if they can't care for them on their own. Funny how that fact is forgotten. Even if you take the law breaking acts of these illegal immigrants out of the equation, the parents are homeless and cannot take care of their own kids financially. So...what's the difference between U.S. citizens who cannot financially take care of their kids vs illegals??? Politics...

If the illegal immigrants cannot take care of their children, they're subject to the same CPS rules as a US citizen.

Ah, but why the outcry? If you are a family - or more typically a mom with a kid (or kids) illegally crossing into the U.S. - you have nothing. Surely these parents do not have the means to support their kids. Therefore, any child being separated from their parents (if these adults escorting these kids are really the parents in some of these cases) is really to protect the kid from not having a support system (or ****** parents).

(06-19-2018 10:17 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Surely these parents do not have the means to support their kids. Therefore, any child being separated from their parents (if these adults escorting these kids are really the parents in some of these cases) is really to protect the kid from not having a support system (or ****** parents).

They may have family already in the US. The girl in the leaked audio kept saying she wanted to go to her aunt’s house and had the number.

So what do you do?

(06-19-2018 10:17 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 06:26 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 06:19 PM)miko33 Wrote:  It's not uncommon for homeless parents in all 50 states to lose their children via CPS if they can't care for them on their own. Funny how that fact is forgotten. Even if you take the law breaking acts of these illegal immigrants out of the equation, the parents are homeless and cannot take care of their own kids financially. So...what's the difference between U.S. citizens who cannot financially take care of their kids vs illegals??? Politics...

If the illegal immigrants cannot take care of their children, they're subject to the same CPS rules as a US citizen.

Ah, but why the outcry? If you are a family - or more typically a mom with a kid (or kids) illegally crossing into the U.S. - you have nothing. Surely these parents do not have the means to support their kids. Therefore, any child being separated from their parents (if these adults escorting these kids are really the parents in some of these cases) is really to protect the kid from not having a support system (or ****** parents).

I can't wait for #henceDJT to become the midterm pontiff starting in ~month.....

he'll simply point out the obvious as you just did........

#preyareeverywhere

(06-19-2018 10:24 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  So what do you do?

Take care of this issue quickly and separately from comprehensive reform as it seems both Democrats and Republicans are starting to do. Then get done what the past few presidencies and congresses could not: pass comprehensive immigration reform.

(06-19-2018 10:27 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:24 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  So what do you do?

Take care of this issue quickly and separately from comprehensive reform as it seems both Democrats and Republicans are starting to do. Then get done what the past few presidencies and congresses could not: pass comprehensive immigration reform.

I agree with comprehensive immigration reform. More legal immigration and less--or no--illegal. But not by making everything legal, rather by developing and implementing a rational approach.

(06-19-2018 10:24 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  So what do you do?

build the damn wall....PERIOD.....

until then????

- develop an interim plan that eradicates those that cross illegally "stat"!!!!

- fund more border security until that's accomplished

- bag 'em, tag 'em, and deport until that's accomplished....

- quit whining like a country of puswahs and develop a plan around that....

I don't have to be a diplomat to understand right vs. right......and I'm sick of this stupid shite.....

if you have a better solution, I'm all ears......

#buildthefknwall

(06-19-2018 10:37 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:24 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  So what do you do?

build the damn wall....PERIOD.....

until then????

- develop an interim plan that eradicates those that cross illegally "stat"!!!!

- fund more border security until that's accomplished

- bag 'em, tag 'em, and deport until that's accomplished....

- quit whining like a country of puswahs and develop a plan around that....

I don't have to be a diplomat to understand right vs. right......and I'm sick of this stupid shite.....

if you have a better solution, I'm all ears......

#buildthefknwall

You are on the right road here. The only thing I would add is cut money off to all these countries until this crap stops.


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(06-19-2018 09:54 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  https://abcnews.go.com/US/uproar-grows-a...d=55995724

Democrats call on DHS' Nielsen to resign over family separation policy at border

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigr...er-n884596

lol...Nobody cares. They are all at work finally. The "uproar" exists only in the CNN echo chamber. Beyond DC its inaudible.

There is no uproar, folks. It's just a bunch of whiny and egotistical liberals, along with the media industrial complex, GOPe, and the government-university complex - coupled with Soros, Inc. - trying to perpetuate an ideological false flag to destroy the blue collar American worker.

This is ALL coordinated and has been in the planning stages for months. That is why I call it a false flag.

Trump sees it. And like Trump, I will continue to tell these so-called "people" to shove it.

(06-19-2018 10:32 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:27 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:24 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  So what do you do?

Take care of this issue quickly and separately from comprehensive reform as it seems both Democrats and Republicans are starting to do. Then get done what the past few presidencies and congresses could not: pass comprehensive immigration reform.

I agree with comprehensive immigration reform. More legal immigration and less--or no--illegal. But not by making everything legal, rather by developing and implementing a rational approach.

I support a lot of the policies of the right on immigration going forward. Merit based visas should be implemented, chain migration should be either eliminated or greatly limited, and quite frankly I’d support the idea of eliminating “anchor babies” and sending the mom and child right back. The problem is the GOP always seems to find a way even when I might support their ideas to come off as completely heartless and completely inflexible. There needs to be a bipartisan bill to finally address this, but I’m not holding my breath.

(06-20-2018 06:51 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:32 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:27 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:24 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  So what do you do?

Take care of this issue quickly and separately from comprehensive reform as it seems both Democrats and Republicans are starting to do. Then get done what the past few presidencies and congresses could not: pass comprehensive immigration reform.

I agree with comprehensive immigration reform. More legal immigration and less--or no--illegal. But not by making everything legal, rather by developing and implementing a rational approach.

I support a lot of the policies of the right on immigration going forward. Merit based visas should be implemented, chain migration should be either eliminated or greatly limited, and quite frankly I’d support the idea of eliminating “anchor babies” and sending the mom and child right back. The problem is the GOP always seems to find a way even when I might support their ideas to come off as completely heartless and completely inflexible. There needs to be a bipartisan bill to finally address this, but I’m not holding my breath.

Just keep in mind - there will be NO bipartisan bill unless the Republicans cave and give the Democrats citizenship for all here and unfettered immigration of everyone..........there will be no compromise from the Democratic side, just won't.

(06-20-2018 08:39 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 06:51 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:32 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:27 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:24 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  So what do you do?

Take care of this issue quickly and separately from comprehensive reform as it seems both Democrats and Republicans are starting to do. Then get done what the past few presidencies and congresses could not: pass comprehensive immigration reform.

I agree with comprehensive immigration reform. More legal immigration and less--or no--illegal. But not by making everything legal, rather by developing and implementing a rational approach.

I support a lot of the policies of the right on immigration going forward. Merit based visas should be implemented, chain migration should be either eliminated or greatly limited, and quite frankly I’d support the idea of eliminating “anchor babies” and sending the mom and child right back. The problem is the GOP always seems to find a way even when I might support their ideas to come off as completely heartless and completely inflexible. There needs to be a bipartisan bill to finally address this, but I’m not holding my breath.

Just keep in mind - there will be NO bipartisan bill unless the Republicans cave and give the Democrats citizenship for all here and unfettered immigration of everyone..........there will be no compromise from the Democratic side, just won't.

That is hyperbole and there absolutely could be a compromise worked out. You’d have to ignore the extremes of both sides of the isle to do it, which won’t happen, and Trump would have to be willing to sign it, which if it were a real compromise with both sides giving up things he probably wouldn’t.