(06-10-2018 11:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-10-2018 10:14 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  As much as you can say that cable will be around because of the technology limitations executives are focused on the growth revenue.

That makes a 10% skid in cable subscriptions seem like a death knell because all of the investment is shifting toward making steaming economical.

Cable is a mature industry. Its not really a growth industry at all. That said--any infrastructure that controls the last mile of pipe into a home is always valuable. That cable carries internet service---which is a growth industry.

I may be alone here--but my feeling is streaming and cable are just delivery options. Niether have any inherent value. What attracts subscribers is ultimately the content. Right now, streaming isn't really offering a better product----it just has the advantage simply because of price (because they pay less for content). That price advantage is already changing as content providers seek to get more revenue from the streaming services that are becoming more flush with cash. Additionally, more content providers will be moving their content to their own proprietary sites--making it tougher for the big streamers like Netflix and Amazon to offer consumers "one stop shopping".

Bottom line, most assume cable is going to lose this battle and vanish. I dont think so. I think they will each be competing against one another for your subscription dollars for many years to come.

The biggest problem telcos and cable companies have had is understanding the consumer wants and needs.

I suspect providing fast and reliable internet became a lower priority for many when they started seeing the possibility that they might not be the content provider and just a dumb pipe.

Thing is dumb pipes can be profitable. Just ask the electric utilities and natural gas utilities, and even the phone company before the advent of all the new services.

Consumers want the internet access, the last mile of wire.

Look at AT&T. Direct TV Now is reportedly one of the fast growing delivery systems in the IPTV market. YouTube and others supposedly are losing money per sign-up. I suspect AT&T and others are happily selling the services at a loss. In AT&T's case because they plan to drop the bomb down the road that you can only keep that price if you buy your internet from them instead of the cable company. Youtube is likely doing it because they want to collect your data and sell you plus if they have a big enough slice of the market, they have more leverage against content providers.

(06-10-2018 11:14 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  In the event that the AAC needs to back-fill, a lot of who those candidates will end up being will be the result of who (from the AAC) gets a call-up. If, for example, USF and UCF get snatched by the Big 12 (or whatever it will end up being), Florida is simply too important a region to write off completely for the American. FAU and FIU have made progressions over the years with their football programs and athletic budgets, and would seriously warrant a look. Conversely, if UConn ends up getting a call, the Northeast is by no means a hot-bed for recruiting talent and exposure for football where UMass absolutely needs to get a call. If UConn moves on, the American would actually be in a solid position because they can be selective and take the best fit moving forward. Now, whether that means it's a UTSA, a UAB, a Southern Mississippi, a Toledo, an NIU, etc. is anyone's guess.

It depends on what the networks (ESPN would want, and what the Presidents would want).

Personally, I think VCU (non-football) and Army (football-only) are natural geographic, institutional and athletic program fits that add valuable content and competitive teams to the current slate of the American.

We (UMass) aren't the original CUSA and if the ACC can't have Lousville, how much do they want to be known as CUSA 2.0? So I think what we have going for us is we were not CUSA. In theory we could be like another Temple or UConn.

I see the AAC has a more eastern seaboard based conference in the future. With the western schools being involved in a new Big 12 reconfiguration.

(06-11-2018 02:55 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  I see the AAC has a more eastern seaboard based conference in the future. With the western schools being involved in a new Big 12 reconfiguration.

Thats a really good point. If the Big12 was raided by the other P5's and had to be rebuilt from western AAC schools (and some eastern MW schools), UMass would have a really good shot of being in a much more eastern-centric reimagined AAC 2.0.

(06-11-2018 03:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-11-2018 02:55 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  I see the AAC has a more eastern seaboard based conference in the future. With the western schools being involved in a new Big 12 reconfiguration.

Thats a really good point. If the Big12 was raided by the other P5's and had to be rebuilt from western AAC schools (and some eastern MW schools), UMass would have a really good shot of being in a much more eastern-centric reimagined AAC 2.0.

I think the Big 12 brand name is too strong for it to go away. Now it might end up how the MVC, SoCon, or WAC did, but still schools in the central part of the US and move to the Big 12 over AAC, CUSA, or Sun Belt is still an upgrade in their eyes even if it gets raided over.

(06-11-2018 04:01 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(06-11-2018 03:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-11-2018 02:55 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  I see the AAC has a more eastern seaboard based conference in the future. With the western schools being involved in a new Big 12 reconfiguration.

Thats a really good point. If the Big12 was raided by the other P5's and had to be rebuilt from western AAC schools (and some eastern MW schools), UMass would have a really good shot of being in a much more eastern-centric reimagined AAC 2.0.

I think the Big 12 brand name is too strong for it to go away. Now it might end up how the MVC, SoCon, or WAC did, but still schools in the central part of the US and move to the Big 12 over AAC, CUSA, or Sun Belt is still an upgrade in their eyes even if it gets raided over.

I think it is likely that the B12 brand will be preserved if they were to get hit hard. That is much more the norm. I mean the Southland has two schools in it that were members in 1986 and one of them left for a decade. The Sun Belt has only two members from 1976 and one of them was gone for over 30 years.

(06-11-2018 04:01 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(06-11-2018 03:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-11-2018 02:55 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  I see the AAC has a more eastern seaboard based conference in the future. With the western schools being involved in a new Big 12 reconfiguration.

Thats a really good point. If the Big12 was raided by the other P5's and had to be rebuilt from western AAC schools (and some eastern MW schools), UMass would have a really good shot of being in a much more eastern-centric reimagined AAC 2.0.

I think the Big 12 brand name is too strong for it to go away. Now it might end up how the MVC, SoCon, or WAC did, but still schools in the central part of the US and move to the Big 12 over AAC, CUSA, or Sun Belt is still an upgrade in their eyes even if it gets raided over.

Absoutely. Lets say Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Texas Tech bail. Houston, Memphis, Cinci, Colorado St, SMU, BYU, ECU, UConn, UCF, etc would all love to be part of a conference called the Big12 that is based on a core of solid fan base teams including Oklahoma St, Kansas St, Iowa St, W Virginia, Baylor, and TCU. The western AAC teams like Tulane, Houston, SMU, and Memphis would be MUCH better off playing those more familiar P5 schools from the central time zone.

(06-11-2018 04:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-11-2018 04:01 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(06-11-2018 03:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-11-2018 02:55 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  I see the AAC has a more eastern seaboard based conference in the future. With the western schools being involved in a new Big 12 reconfiguration.

Thats a really good point. If the Big12 was raided by the other P5's and had to be rebuilt from western AAC schools (and some eastern MW schools), UMass would have a really good shot of being in a much more eastern-centric reimagined AAC 2.0.

I think the Big 12 brand name is too strong for it to go away. Now it might end up how the MVC, SoCon, or WAC did, but still schools in the central part of the US and move to the Big 12 over AAC, CUSA, or Sun Belt is still an upgrade in their eyes even if it gets raided over.

Absoutely. Lets say Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Texas Tech bail. Houston, Memphis, Cinci, Colorado St, SMU, BYU, ECU, UConn, UCF, etc would all love to be part of a conference called the Big12 that is based on a core of solid fan base teams including Oklahoma St, Kansas St, Iowa St, W Virginia, Baylor, and TCU. The western AAC teams like Tulane, Houston, SMU, and Memphis would be MUCH better off playing those more familiar P5 schools from the central time zone.

UConn they were a finalist.

SMU. They really don't deserve it but hey they are in the footprint.

East Carolina? They won't be getting a B12 call.

(06-12-2018 03:41 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(06-11-2018 04:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-11-2018 04:01 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(06-11-2018 03:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-11-2018 02:55 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  I see the AAC has a more eastern seaboard based conference in the future. With the western schools being involved in a new Big 12 reconfiguration.

Thats a really good point. If the Big12 was raided by the other P5's and had to be rebuilt from western AAC schools (and some eastern MW schools), UMass would have a really good shot of being in a much more eastern-centric reimagined AAC 2.0.

I think the Big 12 brand name is too strong for it to go away. Now it might end up how the MVC, SoCon, or WAC did, but still schools in the central part of the US and move to the Big 12 over AAC, CUSA, or Sun Belt is still an upgrade in their eyes even if it gets raided over.

Absoutely. Lets say Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Texas Tech bail. Houston, Memphis, Cinci, Colorado St, SMU, BYU, ECU, UConn, UCF, etc would all love to be part of a conference called the Big12 that is based on a core of solid fan base teams including Oklahoma St, Kansas St, Iowa St, W Virginia, Baylor, and TCU. The western AAC teams like Tulane, Houston, SMU, and Memphis would be MUCH better off playing those more familiar P5 schools from the central time zone.

UConn they were a finalist.

SMU. They really don't deserve it but hey they are in the footprint.

East Carolina? They won't be getting a B12 call.

I think they almost certainly would if WVU is still part of the rebuilding.

(06-12-2018 01:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 03:41 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(06-11-2018 04:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-11-2018 04:01 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(06-11-2018 03:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Thats a really good point. If the Big12 was raided by the other P5's and had to be rebuilt from western AAC schools (and some eastern MW schools), UMass would have a really good shot of being in a much more eastern-centric reimagined AAC 2.0.

I think the Big 12 brand name is too strong for it to go away. Now it might end up how the MVC, SoCon, or WAC did, but still schools in the central part of the US and move to the Big 12 over AAC, CUSA, or Sun Belt is still an upgrade in their eyes even if it gets raided over.

Absoutely. Lets say Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Texas Tech bail. Houston, Memphis, Cinci, Colorado St, SMU, BYU, ECU, UConn, UCF, etc would all love to be part of a conference called the Big12 that is based on a core of solid fan base teams including Oklahoma St, Kansas St, Iowa St, W Virginia, Baylor, and TCU. The western AAC teams like Tulane, Houston, SMU, and Memphis would be MUCH better off playing those more familiar P5 schools from the central time zone.

UConn they were a finalist.

SMU. They really don't deserve it but hey they are in the footprint.

East Carolina? They won't be getting a B12 call.

I think they almost certainly would if WVU is still part of the rebuilding.

If I'm president of a B12 survivor and WVU is still in, yeah, I'd much rather my basketball teams and volleyball team swing Morgantown/Greenville than Morgantown/Memphis or such.

(06-12-2018 02:38 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 01:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 03:41 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(06-11-2018 04:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-11-2018 04:01 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  I think the Big 12 brand name is too strong for it to go away. Now it might end up how the MVC, SoCon, or WAC did, but still schools in the central part of the US and move to the Big 12 over AAC, CUSA, or Sun Belt is still an upgrade in their eyes even if it gets raided over.

Absoutely. Lets say Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Texas Tech bail. Houston, Memphis, Cinci, Colorado St, SMU, BYU, ECU, UConn, UCF, etc would all love to be part of a conference called the Big12 that is based on a core of solid fan base teams including Oklahoma St, Kansas St, Iowa St, W Virginia, Baylor, and TCU. The western AAC teams like Tulane, Houston, SMU, and Memphis would be MUCH better off playing those more familiar P5 schools from the central time zone.

UConn they were a finalist.

SMU. They really don't deserve it but hey they are in the footprint.

East Carolina? They won't be getting a B12 call.

I think they almost certainly would if WVU is still part of the rebuilding.

If I'm president of a B12 survivor and WVU is still in, yeah, I'd much rather my basketball teams and volleyball team swing Morgantown/Greenville than Morgantown/Memphis or such.

ECU is not a land grant school or part of a media market.

NIU would be better addition with Chicago and has played at a higher level the past 10-15 years.

(06-12-2018 03:05 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 02:38 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 01:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 03:41 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(06-11-2018 04:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Absoutely. Lets say Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Texas Tech bail. Houston, Memphis, Cinci, Colorado St, SMU, BYU, ECU, UConn, UCF, etc would all love to be part of a conference called the Big12 that is based on a core of solid fan base teams including Oklahoma St, Kansas St, Iowa St, W Virginia, Baylor, and TCU. The western AAC teams like Tulane, Houston, SMU, and Memphis would be MUCH better off playing those more familiar P5 schools from the central time zone.

UConn they were a finalist.

SMU. They really don't deserve it but hey they are in the footprint.

East Carolina? They won't be getting a B12 call.

I think they almost certainly would if WVU is still part of the rebuilding.

If I'm president of a B12 survivor and WVU is still in, yeah, I'd much rather my basketball teams and volleyball team swing Morgantown/Greenville than Morgantown/Memphis or such.

ECU is not a land grant school or part of a media market.

NIU would be better addition with Chicago and has played at a higher level the past 10-15 years.

NIU doesnt have the budget, fan base, or geography that ECU would have (assuming WVU is still part of the B12). Honestly, most any AAC team as well as the eastern most MW teams would be viable candidates. However, my feeling is that the B12 would be far more likely to lean east if W Virginia was still in the conference. So, Cinci, Memphis and ECU build a nice regional bunch for WVU. Houston and SMU rebuild the presence in Texas. Beyond those 5---many schools would have a good argument for inclusion to finish out the conference. The Florida twins would make a great tandem add. Tulane adds another nearby state, history, and academic credentials. UConn is state flagship and basketball blueblood. BYU and another MW school (Boise? CSU?, Air Force?) would be a solid football move--but the conference really starts to stretch out when you start moving west like that.

(06-12-2018 03:05 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 02:38 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 01:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 03:41 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(06-11-2018 04:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Absoutely. Lets say Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Texas Tech bail. Houston, Memphis, Cinci, Colorado St, SMU, BYU, ECU, UConn, UCF, etc would all love to be part of a conference called the Big12 that is based on a core of solid fan base teams including Oklahoma St, Kansas St, Iowa St, W Virginia, Baylor, and TCU. The western AAC teams like Tulane, Houston, SMU, and Memphis would be MUCH better off playing those more familiar P5 schools from the central time zone.

UConn they were a finalist.

SMU. They really don't deserve it but hey they are in the footprint.

East Carolina? They won't be getting a B12 call.

I think they almost certainly would if WVU is still part of the rebuilding.

If I'm president of a B12 survivor and WVU is still in, yeah, I'd much rather my basketball teams and volleyball team swing Morgantown/Greenville than Morgantown/Memphis or such.

ECU is not a land grant school or part of a media market.

NIU would be better addition with Chicago and has played at a higher level the past 10-15 years.

None of which makes traveling to Morgantown any easier.

(06-12-2018 01:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 03:41 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(06-11-2018 04:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-11-2018 04:01 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(06-11-2018 03:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Thats a really good point. If the Big12 was raided by the other P5's and had to be rebuilt from western AAC schools (and some eastern MW schools), UMass would have a really good shot of being in a much more eastern-centric reimagined AAC 2.0.

I think the Big 12 brand name is too strong for it to go away. Now it might end up how the MVC, SoCon, or WAC did, but still schools in the central part of the US and move to the Big 12 over AAC, CUSA, or Sun Belt is still an upgrade in their eyes even if it gets raided over.

Absoutely. Lets say Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Texas Tech bail. Houston, Memphis, Cinci, Colorado St, SMU, BYU, ECU, UConn, UCF, etc would all love to be part of a conference called the Big12 that is based on a core of solid fan base teams including Oklahoma St, Kansas St, Iowa St, W Virginia, Baylor, and TCU. The western AAC teams like Tulane, Houston, SMU, and Memphis would be MUCH better off playing those more familiar P5 schools from the central time zone.

UConn they were a finalist.

SMU. They really don't deserve it but hey they are in the footprint.

East Carolina? They won't be getting a B12 call.

I think they almost certainly would if WVU is still part of the rebuilding.

If WVU is still part of a Big 12 that has Tulane, SMU and Memphis instead of Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas, then I wonder if they'd be part of it for long. Their brand is good enough that I think they could make at least as good a go at independent football as BYU, and their basketball is desirable enough that it should find a good home as well.

(06-12-2018 05:04 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 03:05 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 02:38 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 01:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 03:41 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  UConn they were a finalist.

SMU. They really don't deserve it but hey they are in the footprint.

East Carolina? They won't be getting a B12 call.

I think they almost certainly would if WVU is still part of the rebuilding.

If I'm president of a B12 survivor and WVU is still in, yeah, I'd much rather my basketball teams and volleyball team swing Morgantown/Greenville than Morgantown/Memphis or such.

ECU is not a land grant school or part of a media market.

NIU would be better addition with Chicago and has played at a higher level the past 10-15 years.

None of which makes traveling to Morgantown any easier.

East Carolina is not close to WVU. It is a 7.5 hour drive. NIU is 9.5 hours from WVU. ECU had a purpose for WVU in scheduling for years; a higher level non-MAC school they could schedule a 1 for 1 with.

ECU won't be part of a B12 expansion package. They want to build in between WVU and the plains schools. That is what NIU can give the B12. ECU's football team isn't very good and has limited upside as shown by their struggles in the AAC.

The fact that ECU has a better fan base is immaterial if they can't compete. NIU has a design for a 42,000 seater to be built should they get the call up. That will meet the grade for B12 competition.

Cincinnati is the school that is close to WVU which by addition gives them a regional rival not ECU. In both football and basketball.

Colorado State and SMU do not have the fanbase that Boise State have. Boise State is the hot chick who is much better than other schools in certain metrics over other schools. They are now a research school and still building on their program. I think Idaho is being dumped for Boise State as a state research school.

(06-12-2018 10:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Colorado State and SMU do not have the fanbase that Boise State have. Boise State is the hot chick who is much better than other schools in certain metrics over other schools. They are now a research school and still building on their program. I think Idaho is being dumped for Boise State as a state research school.

R3, right?

(06-12-2018 10:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Colorado State and SMU do not have the fanbase that Boise State have. Boise State is the hot chick who is much better than other schools in certain metrics over other schools. They are now a research school and still building on their program. I think Idaho is being dumped for Boise State as a state research school.

Who do you think views Boise as the hot chick?

(06-12-2018 11:23 PM)UTArlingtonMaverick Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 10:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Colorado State and SMU do not have the fanbase that Boise State have. Boise State is the hot chick who is much better than other schools in certain metrics over other schools. They are now a research school and still building on their program. I think Idaho is being dumped for Boise State as a state research school.

R3, right?

idaho = r2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_re...ctivity%22

boise state = r3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_re...ctivity%22

(06-12-2018 10:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Colorado State and SMU do not have the fanbase that Boise State have. Boise State is the hot chick who is much better than other schools in certain metrics over other schools. They are now a research school and still building on their program. I think Idaho is being dumped for Boise State as a state research school.

Football 2016 - Avg attendance / Pct capacity
Boise State (10-3) - 34,273 / 94.19
Colorado State (7-6) - 27,600 / 84.92

Football 2017 - Avg attendance / Pct capacity
Colorado State (7-6) - 32,062 / 87.84
Boise State (11-3) - 31,126 / 85.54

This may be only a 2 year comparison but look how much CSU jumped over BSU. I would say the fan bases are pretty much the same. CSU also has a huge advantage in the number of alumni.