(05-18-2018 07:26 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 07:13 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 07:42 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 08:03 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Ala did the smart things it could do. Took a p5 game from UCF, Keep the out casts down, and scheduled a game against a weak p5 school.

Texas might not not be relevant since 2009 but it is one, if not, the biggest brand in college sports. Do you really think UCF or any G5 can compete with that?

Big brand, weak team. Perfect for UA.

What are the Powerball numbers? Since you can see the future and tell what type of team Texas will have in 2022 and all.

All you can do is play the odds, Odds are a team that has been below average to mediocre for 15 years will continue to do that.

(05-18-2018 07:37 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 07:26 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 07:13 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 07:42 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 08:03 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Ala did the smart things it could do. Took a p5 game from UCF, Keep the out casts down, and scheduled a game against a weak p5 school.

Texas might not not be relevant since 2009 but it is one, if not, the biggest brand in college sports. Do you really think UCF or any G5 can compete with that?

Big brand, weak team. Perfect for UA.

What are the Powerball numbers? Since you can see the future and tell what type of team Texas will have in 2022 and all.

All you can do is play the odds, Odds are a team that has been below average to mediocre for 15 years will continue to do that.

Texas has averaged 8 wins per season over the last 15 years, while UCF has averaged 6. Odds are that Texas will have a stronger team than UCF when the games are played.

(05-18-2018 07:26 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 07:13 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 07:42 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 08:03 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Ala did the smart things it could do. Took a p5 game from UCF, Keep the out casts down, and scheduled a game against a weak p5 school.

Texas might not not be relevant since 2009 but it is one, if not, the biggest brand in college sports. Do you really think UCF or any G5 can compete with that?

Big brand, weak team. Perfect for UA.

What are the Powerball numbers? Since you can see the future and tell what type of team Texas will have in 2022 and all.

Or UCF, or anyone. UCF went 0-12 in 2015.

Not many would have predicted it would go 13-0 two seasons later.

(05-17-2018 09:35 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 09:10 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 05:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 04:17 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 02:54 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  It's economics. Alabama and Texas will make more off these games regardless of what their records may be when played than they would playing UCF.

Alabama playing UCF is a no won situation. Beat UCF and nobody cares because they were supposed to. Lose to them and it's looked at as a bad loss. You have to actually contribute something to make it worthwhile to Alabama, and right now the only thing you can bring to the table is a large payoff.

I don't buy whiney baby nothing to gain and everything to lose arguments. If Bama can't line up and beat a team then Bama doesn't need to be a national contender.

What matters here is it accomplishes two really good things, maybe three for each school.

1. It gives them a game that will be a national spotlight game. Most anyone with any reputation as major reporter of college football already has the dates scheduled and plans to get credentials. It will most likely be the most discussed game of the week leading up to it.

2. As a national spotlight game, it will get a featured broadcast window and suck the wind out of any games featuring schools they recruit against.

3. It gives them a high demand home ticket. Even if the schools show restraint and don't jack the prices way up, it's still good for the schools because they know in today's market many season ticket holders expect to be able to sell some tickets at a significant premium and become disgruntled if they cannot.

LOL

You can not buy it all you want, it's the absolute truth. Alabama gains absolutely nothing from beating UCF other than another mark in the win column. There would be no chance at College Gameday, no weeks long national buzz leading into the game, and afterwards the national perception after a win would be "SO? They are Alabama, they are supposed to beat UCF."

As an aside you are probably going to start seeing the same type discussions in regards to mid-week baseball games because it makes absolutely no sense for a team with NCAA tournament aspirations to play games against teams that even if they win they fall in the RPI ratings.

Great, email your AD and ask for an H&H with UCF.

Why would we want a home and home with UCF? How would it benefit Clemson to use up the H&H slot on UCF instead of playing someone like Auburn, Texas A&M, Georgia, etc? Sure we might get the 12-0 2017 version but we are just as likely to get the 0-12 2015 version of UCF. We aren't going to be able to sell tickets for the home game at a premium price like we can the P5 schools we have scheduled and we get plenty of exposure in Florida already playing FSU every year.

Great, so now you see your argument about how UCF can control its scheduling is complete bs.

(05-18-2018 12:41 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 09:35 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 09:10 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 05:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 04:17 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I don't buy whiney baby nothing to gain and everything to lose arguments. If Bama can't line up and beat a team then Bama doesn't need to be a national contender.

What matters here is it accomplishes two really good things, maybe three for each school.

1. It gives them a game that will be a national spotlight game. Most anyone with any reputation as major reporter of college football already has the dates scheduled and plans to get credentials. It will most likely be the most discussed game of the week leading up to it.

2. As a national spotlight game, it will get a featured broadcast window and suck the wind out of any games featuring schools they recruit against.

3. It gives them a high demand home ticket. Even if the schools show restraint and don't jack the prices way up, it's still good for the schools because they know in today's market many season ticket holders expect to be able to sell some tickets at a significant premium and become disgruntled if they cannot.

LOL

You can not buy it all you want, it's the absolute truth. Alabama gains absolutely nothing from beating UCF other than another mark in the win column. There would be no chance at College Gameday, no weeks long national buzz leading into the game, and afterwards the national perception after a win would be "SO? They are Alabama, they are supposed to beat UCF."

As an aside you are probably going to start seeing the same type discussions in regards to mid-week baseball games because it makes absolutely no sense for a team with NCAA tournament aspirations to play games against teams that even if they win they fall in the RPI ratings.

Great, email your AD and ask for an H&H with UCF.

Why would we want a home and home with UCF? How would it benefit Clemson to use up the H&H slot on UCF instead of playing someone like Auburn, Texas A&M, Georgia, etc? Sure we might get the 12-0 2017 version but we are just as likely to get the 0-12 2015 version of UCF. We aren't going to be able to sell tickets for the home game at a premium price like we can the P5 schools we have scheduled and we get plenty of exposure in Florida already playing FSU every year.

Great, so now you see your argument about how UCF can control its scheduling is complete bs.

But UCF does. Games are scheduled for one of three reasons:

1. Media attention
2. Recruiting exposure
3. Money

They aren't a big draw, aren't assured of offering a quality opponent, or going to provide any tangible difference in either media or recruiting exposure. It seems all you have left to offer is a big payday to make it worth someone's while. Start cutting checks instead of whining about it.

You just laid out the perfect reasons in your previous post which undermines your current argument

(05-18-2018 07:13 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 07:42 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 08:03 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Ala did the smart things it could do. Took a p5 game from UCF, Keep the out casts down, and scheduled a game against a weak p5 school.

Texas might not not be relevant since 2009 but it is one, if not, the biggest brand in college sports. Do you really think UCF or any G5 can compete with that?

Big brand, weak team. Perfect for UA.

Perhaps but which team do you think Alabama fans would pay premier prices for a game in Tuscaloosa? Texas or UCF? Which game would deliver better tv ratings? It does not apply only to G5’s. If you’re a USC or Michigan fan, would you rather have Texas or Florida at home or Boston College or Texas Tech? The Longhorns and Gators have been a mess this decade but they still command a brand value that most programs (even in the P5) can’t compete against with.

(05-18-2018 09:45 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  You just laid out the perfect reasons in your previous post which undermines your current argument

No, not really. Just reinforcing the fact that for a series to happen it has to provide a benefit for both parties. Under the terms you and other UCF fans want it only benefits UCF. Until UCF brings something to the table a series is not likely to happen.

(05-19-2018 08:52 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 09:45 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  You just laid out the perfect reasons in your previous post which undermines your current argument

No, not really. Just reinforcing the fact that for a series to happen it has to provide a benefit for both parties. Under the terms you and other UCF fans want it only benefits UCF. Until UCF brings something to the table a series is not likely to happen.

This.

There just isn’t any upside for one party.

We are under no obligation to give anything away.

Capitalism at its best on the non-profit level.

(05-19-2018 11:09 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 08:52 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 09:45 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  You just laid out the perfect reasons in your previous post which undermines your current argument

No, not really. Just reinforcing the fact that for a series to happen it has to provide a benefit for both parties. Under the terms you and other UCF fans want it only benefits UCF. Until UCF brings something to the table a series is not likely to happen.

This.

There just isn’t any upside for one party.

We are under no obligation to give anything away.

Yeah I wouldn’t want to play us either.

(05-19-2018 08:52 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 09:45 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  You just laid out the perfect reasons in your previous post which undermines your current argument

No, not really. Just reinforcing the fact that for a series to happen it has to provide a benefit for both parties. Under the terms you and other UCF fans want it only benefits UCF. Until UCF brings something to the table a series is not likely to happen.

Yeah I get it it’s not about competing it’s about money.

(05-19-2018 09:10 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 08:52 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 09:45 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  You just laid out the perfect reasons in your previous post which undermines your current argument

No, not really. Just reinforcing the fact that for a series to happen it has to provide a benefit for both parties. Under the terms you and other UCF fans want it only benefits UCF. Until UCF brings something to the table a series is not likely to happen.

Yeah I get it it’s not about competing it’s about money.

Competing with what? A program that in a three year period you don;t know if you are getting the winless version or undefeated version?

Let's say Alabama does schedule this home and home you desire. The year you go to Alabama you are the 0-12 version of your Jekyll and Hyde program. What benefit does Alabama get from playing you?

At least with Boise you can point to a sustained level of competition. You UCF fans point to beating Baylor and Auburn as examples of how you belong and ignore the fact that there are players on the team that beat Auburn who lost to Furman. You can't play on both sides of the street.

(05-19-2018 11:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 09:10 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 08:52 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 09:45 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  You just laid out the perfect reasons in your previous post which undermines your current argument

No, not really. Just reinforcing the fact that for a series to happen it has to provide a benefit for both parties. Under the terms you and other UCF fans want it only benefits UCF. Until UCF brings something to the table a series is not likely to happen.

Yeah I get it it’s not about competing it’s about money.

Competing with what? A program that in a three year period you don;t know if you are getting the winless version or undefeated version?

Let's say Alabama does schedule this home and home you desire. The year you go to Alabama you are the 0-12 version of your Jekyll and Hyde program. What benefit does Alabama get from playing you?

At least with Boise you can point to a sustained level of competition. You UCF fans point to beating Baylor and Auburn as examples of how you belong and ignore the fact that there are players on the team that beat Auburn who lost to Furman. You can't play on both sides of the street.

Shows how little you know about UCF. The culture of gol is what led to winless seasons. He tried to be AD and HC at the same time. He had his inept protege Brent Key in de facto HC. He was statistical the worst OC in UCF history. Gol also had an old school hard ass mentality that wasn’t good for players. The locker room was lost before the season started and players quit. That’s why you had the same players that were 0-12 that went 13-0. Frost changed the culture, didn’t curse players out for no reason, he developed players on and off the field. Frost spent time getting to know his players and voila. You old guard types are predictable and hilarious.

(05-17-2018 09:19 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  This has turned into another UCF thread but it's worth pointing out again that UCF actually does a very good job scheduling P5s and getting P5s to come to Orlando:

2010 - NC State, @Kansas St
2011 - Boston College, @BYU
2012 - Missouri, @Ohio St
2013 - South Carolina, @Penn State
2014 - Penn State (Ireland), @Missouri
2015 - @Stanford, @South Carolina
2016 - @Michigan, Maryland
2017 - Georgia Tech (Cancelled), @Maryland
2018 - @UNC, Pitt
2019 - Stanford, @Pitt
2020 - UNC, @Georgia Tech

That's two Power 5 games every year and in every year but 2014 they got one at home. Most of these are far from cupcakes and in 2012 and 2013 they ended up playing top 5 Ohio State and South Carolina teams.

And to give Texas credit, played a home game at UCF's new home stadium to complete a home and home.

(05-20-2018 05:57 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 09:19 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  This has turned into another UCF thread but it's worth pointing out again that UCF actually does a very good job scheduling P5s and getting P5s to come to Orlando:

2010 - NC State, @Kansas St
2011 - Boston College, @BYU
2012 - Missouri, @Ohio St
2013 - South Carolina, @Penn State
2014 - Penn State (Ireland), @Missouri
2015 - @Stanford, @South Carolina
2016 - @Michigan, Maryland
2017 - Georgia Tech (Cancelled), @Maryland
2018 - @UNC, Pitt
2019 - Stanford, @Pitt
2020 - UNC, @Georgia Tech

That's two Power 5 games every year and in every year but 2014 they got one at home. Most of these are far from cupcakes and in 2012 and 2013 they ended up playing top 5 Ohio State and South Carolina teams.

And to give Texas credit, played a home game at UCF's new home stadium to complete a home and home.

Disney World plus ESPN Wide World of Sports Complex ... that's why UCF can schedule. Having a decent stadium and gate helps too.

(05-20-2018 01:13 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 11:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 09:10 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 08:52 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 09:45 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  You just laid out the perfect reasons in your previous post which undermines your current argument

No, not really. Just reinforcing the fact that for a series to happen it has to provide a benefit for both parties. Under the terms you and other UCF fans want it only benefits UCF. Until UCF brings something to the table a series is not likely to happen.

Yeah I get it it’s not about competing it’s about money.

Competing with what? A program that in a three year period you don;t know if you are getting the winless version or undefeated version?

Let's say Alabama does schedule this home and home you desire. The year you go to Alabama you are the 0-12 version of your Jekyll and Hyde program. What benefit does Alabama get from playing you?

At least with Boise you can point to a sustained level of competition. You UCF fans point to beating Baylor and Auburn as examples of how you belong and ignore the fact that there are players on the team that beat Auburn who lost to Furman. You can't play on both sides of the street.

Shows how little you know about UCF. The culture of gol is what led to winless seasons. He tried to be AD and HC at the same time. He had his inept protege Brent Key in de facto HC. He was statistical the worst OC in UCF history. Gol also had an old school hard ass mentality that wasn’t good for players. The locker room was lost before the season started and players quit. That’s why you had the same players that were 0-12 that went 13-0. Frost changed the culture, didn’t curse players out for no reason, he developed players on and off the field. Frost spent time getting to know his players and voila. You old guard types are predictable and hilarious.

Nah, I knew everything you posted. The reasoning you are using is total BS but I knew the important stuff.

But let's play along with your line of reasoning. You want to say that since O'Leary is gone we can't use his time at UCF as an example. OK. Scott Frost is now the head coach at Nebraska. You can't use his time at UCF as an example either.

Now make your case.

(05-16-2018 07:09 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Texas vs Alabama all time
Texas 7 wins
Alabama 1 win, this one win was the 2009 BCS champion
Side note: saben first year at bama”2007”, home coming game, bama vs Houston, was a good start for bama but the cougars clawed their way back and was driving deep in bama territory for the go ahead TD and the win, but bama D held and the pass fell incomplete, bama wins a close one, Major Applewhite was OC at bama at this time
Briles was houstons HC

Texas leads 7-1-1. 2009 was their first loss to Alabama.
Texas is 1-5 vs. USC. 2005 was their only win over USC.

(05-18-2018 09:45 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  You just laid out the perfect reasons in your previous post which undermines your current argument

Lol. Exactly. The reality—since another school must say “yes” in order for any game to be scheduled, nobody truly “controls” thier own schedule. At best, a school only has veto power over any scheduling option. That’s about as far as a schools control of thier schedule extends.

The dirty little secret about SOS is that every P5 school will play 8 games again5 P5’s. Since every G5 has to play a minimum of 8 games against G5’s, it’s virtually a mathematic impossibility for any G5 to have a schedule that’s stronger than even the weakest P5 schedule. Thus, the best G5 schedule every year is going to be about #66—and that’s assuming it’s better than any indy schedule (BYU, for instance, would often finish ahead of the highest G5 because they are not tied to 8 G5 games). So, it’s easy to see, using SOS as the primary screen for the CFP means it’s simply impossible for a G5 to get in.

(05-20-2018 09:26 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(05-20-2018 05:57 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 09:19 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  This has turned into another UCF thread but it's worth pointing out again that UCF actually does a very good job scheduling P5s and getting P5s to come to Orlando:

2010 - NC State, @Kansas St
2011 - Boston College, @BYU
2012 - Missouri, @Ohio St
2013 - South Carolina, @Penn State
2014 - Penn State (Ireland), @Missouri
2015 - @Stanford, @South Carolina
2016 - @Michigan, Maryland
2017 - Georgia Tech (Cancelled), @Maryland
2018 - @UNC, Pitt
2019 - Stanford, @Pitt
2020 - UNC, @Georgia Tech

That's two Power 5 games every year and in every year but 2014 they got one at home. Most of these are far from cupcakes and in 2012 and 2013 they ended up playing top 5 Ohio State and South Carolina teams.

And to give Texas credit, played a home game at UCF's new home stadium to complete a home and home.

Disney World plus ESPN Wide World of Sports Complex ... that's why UCF can schedule. Having a decent stadium and gate helps too.

Not to mention recruiting. I honestly wouldn't mind seeing South Carolina schedule another home and home with them opposite the game in Gainesville so we can have a game in Central Florida every year.