(05-16-2018 12:26 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  Good to see Alabama scheduling big time home and homes. I know their fans were beginning to get frustrated with all of the neutral site matchups.

BS. Let me see two h & h sagainst a5 opponents.

(05-16-2018 05:27 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 03:12 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 02:54 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 02:03 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 12:16 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  What’s interesting is that bama wouldn’t accept UCFs home and home challenge, guess bama would rather play it safe with the longhorns
Just say’n

Not going to get into Alabama, but when UCF didn't make the CFP everyone said just play harder games, add P5 teams. Now you see how difficult that actually is, Texas cancelled a game with UCF in order to play Alabama.

It's economics. Alabama and Texas will make more off these games regardless of what their records may be when played than they would playing UCF.

Alabama playing UCF is a no won situation. Beat UCF and nobody cares because they were supposed to. Lose to them and it's looked at as a bad loss. You have to actually contribute something to make it worthwhile to Alabama, and right now the only thing you can bring to the table is a large payoff.

Yes, I understand with and agree with all of that - clearly a game with Alabama will generate more income for Texas than UCF. And from Texas standpoint a loss to Alabama, with their history, will cost them less if they lose and bring them more if they win. My point, however, is at the end of the season many fans decried UCF for it's weak out of conference schedule without recognizing that, because of these reasons, it's outside of UCF's control to get these type of schools to play them on a consistent basis in order to play that schedule.

No it's not. You just have to be willing to pay evidently far more than UCF is willing to pay.

I could reply to multiple posts on this thread to get back to my main point, but I think you stated it most succinctly - the CFP national champion is decided as much by economics as it is the quality of the team on the field. But, I don't think many will take this as a surprise..

Texas vs Alabama all time
Texas 7 wins
Alabama 1 win, this one win was the 2009 BCS champion
Side note: saben first year at bama”2007”, home coming game, bama vs Houston, was a good start for bama but the cougars clawed their way back and was driving deep in bama territory for the go ahead TD and the win, but bama D held and the pass fell incomplete, bama wins a close one, Major Applewhite was OC at bama at this time
Briles was houstons HC

(05-16-2018 05:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 04:17 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 02:54 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 02:03 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 12:16 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  What’s interesting is that bama wouldn’t accept UCFs home and home challenge, guess bama would rather play it safe with the longhorns
Just say’n

Not going to get into Alabama, but when UCF didn't make the CFP everyone said just play harder games, add P5 teams. Now you see how difficult that actually is, Texas cancelled a game with UCF in order to play Alabama.

It's economics. Alabama and Texas will make more off these games regardless of what their records may be when played than they would playing UCF.

Alabama playing UCF is a no won situation. Beat UCF and nobody cares because they were supposed to. Lose to them and it's looked at as a bad loss. You have to actually contribute something to make it worthwhile to Alabama, and right now the only thing you can bring to the table is a large payoff.

I don't buy whiney baby nothing to gain and everything to lose arguments. If Bama can't line up and beat a team then Bama doesn't need to be a national contender.

What matters here is it accomplishes two really good things, maybe three for each school.

1. It gives them a game that will be a national spotlight game. Most anyone with any reputation as major reporter of college football already has the dates scheduled and plans to get credentials. It will most likely be the most discussed game of the week leading up to it.

2. As a national spotlight game, it will get a featured broadcast window and suck the wind out of any games featuring schools they recruit against.

3. It gives them a high demand home ticket. Even if the schools show restraint and don't jack the prices way up, it's still good for the schools because they know in today's market many season ticket holders expect to be able to sell some tickets at a significant premium and become disgruntled if they cannot.

LOL

You can not buy it all you want, it's the absolute truth. Alabama gains absolutely nothing from beating UCF other than another mark in the win column. There would be no chance at College Gameday, no weeks long national buzz leading into the game, and afterwards the national perception after a win would be "SO? They are Alabama, they are supposed to beat UCF."

As an aside you are probably going to start seeing the same type discussions in regards to mid-week baseball games because it makes absolutely no sense for a team with NCAA tournament aspirations to play games against teams that even if they win they fall in the RPI ratings.

It’s this type of circular reasoning that really gets the G5er in me riled up!! I would have more respect for ‘Bama if they scheduled UCF and lost to UCF than not scheduling them at all. The same goes for my favorite team,UGa, too. Play the daggum game, and don’t make excuses for why you are not doing it!!

Ala did the smart things it could do. Took a p5 game from UCF, Keep the out casts down, and scheduled a game against a weak p5 school.

This has turned into another UCF thread but it's worth pointing out again that UCF actually does a very good job scheduling P5s and getting P5s to come to Orlando:

2010 - NC State, @Kansas St
2011 - Boston College, @BYU
2012 - Missouri, @Ohio St
2013 - South Carolina, @Penn State
2014 - Penn State (Ireland), @Missouri
2015 - @Stanford, @South Carolina
2016 - @Michigan, Maryland
2017 - Georgia Tech (Cancelled), @Maryland
2018 - @UNC, Pitt
2019 - Stanford, @Pitt
2020 - UNC, @Georgia Tech

That's two Power 5 games every year and in every year but 2014 they got one at home. Most of these are far from cupcakes and in 2012 and 2013 they ended up playing top 5 Ohio State and South Carolina teams.

(05-16-2018 04:02 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 01:07 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 12:16 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  What’s interesting is that bama wouldn’t accept UCFs home and home challenge, guess bama would rather play it safe with the longhorns
Just say’n

...

Really?

Kudos to Alabama for scheduling the ND and Texas home/home series.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Alabama still is not playing any more 'A5' games so far in the future. Unless the SEC changes to 9 conference games or none of the games get switched to a neutral location, their scheduling practices have not changed much.

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-20/2020-...hedule.php

Although it wouldn't be easy, a great UCF that is loaded with talent can beat an SEC team that is also loaded with talent....

Bama could go 6 and 6 and the committee will still put them in the playoffs, the sick thing about this is that the rest of the A5 schools will be ok with it...????

(05-17-2018 08:03 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Ala did the smart things it could do. Took a p5 game from UCF, Keep the out casts down, and scheduled a game against a weak p5 school.

Texas might not not be relevant since 2009 but it is one, if not, the biggest brand in college sports. Do you really think UCF or any G5 can compete with that?

Texas has to play USF the week before Bama. Could.... I say could... be a very interesting start to the season. USF beats Texas, Texas beats Bama.

I can see USF beating Texas but I can’t see Texas beating bama

(05-16-2018 05:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 04:17 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 02:54 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 02:03 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 12:16 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  What’s interesting is that bama wouldn’t accept UCFs home and home challenge, guess bama would rather play it safe with the longhorns
Just say’n

Not going to get into Alabama, but when UCF didn't make the CFP everyone said just play harder games, add P5 teams. Now you see how difficult that actually is, Texas cancelled a game with UCF in order to play Alabama.

It's economics. Alabama and Texas will make more off these games regardless of what their records may be when played than they would playing UCF.

Alabama playing UCF is a no won situation. Beat UCF and nobody cares because they were supposed to. Lose to them and it's looked at as a bad loss. You have to actually contribute something to make it worthwhile to Alabama, and right now the only thing you can bring to the table is a large payoff.

I don't buy whiney baby nothing to gain and everything to lose arguments. If Bama can't line up and beat a team then Bama doesn't need to be a national contender.

What matters here is it accomplishes two really good things, maybe three for each school.

1. It gives them a game that will be a national spotlight game. Most anyone with any reputation as major reporter of college football already has the dates scheduled and plans to get credentials. It will most likely be the most discussed game of the week leading up to it.

2. As a national spotlight game, it will get a featured broadcast window and suck the wind out of any games featuring schools they recruit against.

3. It gives them a high demand home ticket. Even if the schools show restraint and don't jack the prices way up, it's still good for the schools because they know in today's market many season ticket holders expect to be able to sell some tickets at a significant premium and become disgruntled if they cannot.

LOL

You can not buy it all you want, it's the absolute truth. Alabama gains absolutely nothing from beating UCF other than another mark in the win column. There would be no chance at College Gameday, no weeks long national buzz leading into the game, and afterwards the national perception after a win would be "SO? They are Alabama, they are supposed to beat UCF."

As an aside you are probably going to start seeing the same type discussions in regards to mid-week baseball games because it makes absolutely no sense for a team with NCAA tournament aspirations to play games against teams that even if they win they fall in the RPI ratings.

Great, email your AD and ask for an H&H with UCF.

I was critical of Alabama's OOC schedule prior to recent moves, but now that they've added h&h series with Notre Dame and Texas, plus a neutral site game (in Arlington, TX) vs. USC, I don't think the Tide's OOC schedule is a glaring weakness any more. Still only 9 P5 games per year (while most other contenders play 10), but at least some of those games are outside the SEC footprint. Kudos to Alabama for some gutsy scheduling.

(05-17-2018 09:10 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 05:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 04:17 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 02:54 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 02:03 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  Not going to get into Alabama, but when UCF didn't make the CFP everyone said just play harder games, add P5 teams. Now you see how difficult that actually is, Texas cancelled a game with UCF in order to play Alabama.

It's economics. Alabama and Texas will make more off these games regardless of what their records may be when played than they would playing UCF.

Alabama playing UCF is a no won situation. Beat UCF and nobody cares because they were supposed to. Lose to them and it's looked at as a bad loss. You have to actually contribute something to make it worthwhile to Alabama, and right now the only thing you can bring to the table is a large payoff.

I don't buy whiney baby nothing to gain and everything to lose arguments. If Bama can't line up and beat a team then Bama doesn't need to be a national contender.

What matters here is it accomplishes two really good things, maybe three for each school.

1. It gives them a game that will be a national spotlight game. Most anyone with any reputation as major reporter of college football already has the dates scheduled and plans to get credentials. It will most likely be the most discussed game of the week leading up to it.

2. As a national spotlight game, it will get a featured broadcast window and suck the wind out of any games featuring schools they recruit against.

3. It gives them a high demand home ticket. Even if the schools show restraint and don't jack the prices way up, it's still good for the schools because they know in today's market many season ticket holders expect to be able to sell some tickets at a significant premium and become disgruntled if they cannot.

LOL

You can not buy it all you want, it's the absolute truth. Alabama gains absolutely nothing from beating UCF other than another mark in the win column. There would be no chance at College Gameday, no weeks long national buzz leading into the game, and afterwards the national perception after a win would be "SO? They are Alabama, they are supposed to beat UCF."

As an aside you are probably going to start seeing the same type discussions in regards to mid-week baseball games because it makes absolutely no sense for a team with NCAA tournament aspirations to play games against teams that even if they win they fall in the RPI ratings.

Great, email your AD and ask for an H&H with UCF.

Why would we want a home and home with UCF? How would it benefit Clemson to use up the H&H slot on UCF instead of playing someone like Auburn, Texas A&M, Georgia, etc? Sure we might get the 12-0 2017 version but we are just as likely to get the 0-12 2015 version of UCF. We aren't going to be able to sell tickets for the home game at a premium price like we can the P5 schools we have scheduled and we get plenty of exposure in Florida already playing FSU every year.

(05-17-2018 09:27 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I was critical of Alabama's OOC schedule prior to recent moves, but now that they've added h&h series with Notre Dame and Texas, plus a neutral site game (in Arlington, TX) vs. USC, I don't think the Tide's OOC schedule is a glaring weakness any more. Still only 9 P5 games per year (while most other contenders play 10), but at least some of those games are outside the SEC footprint. Kudos to Alabama for some gutsy scheduling.

So none of these games go neutral sites? Still a wait and see, although I think ND, with the NBC contract, will be an actual h & h.

(05-17-2018 09:35 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 09:10 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 05:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 04:17 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 02:54 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  It's economics. Alabama and Texas will make more off these games regardless of what their records may be when played than they would playing UCF.

Alabama playing UCF is a no won situation. Beat UCF and nobody cares because they were supposed to. Lose to them and it's looked at as a bad loss. You have to actually contribute something to make it worthwhile to Alabama, and right now the only thing you can bring to the table is a large payoff.

I don't buy whiney baby nothing to gain and everything to lose arguments. If Bama can't line up and beat a team then Bama doesn't need to be a national contender.

What matters here is it accomplishes two really good things, maybe three for each school.

1. It gives them a game that will be a national spotlight game. Most anyone with any reputation as major reporter of college football already has the dates scheduled and plans to get credentials. It will most likely be the most discussed game of the week leading up to it.

2. As a national spotlight game, it will get a featured broadcast window and suck the wind out of any games featuring schools they recruit against.

3. It gives them a high demand home ticket. Even if the schools show restraint and don't jack the prices way up, it's still good for the schools because they know in today's market many season ticket holders expect to be able to sell some tickets at a significant premium and become disgruntled if they cannot.

LOL

You can not buy it all you want, it's the absolute truth. Alabama gains absolutely nothing from beating UCF other than another mark in the win column. There would be no chance at College Gameday, no weeks long national buzz leading into the game, and afterwards the national perception after a win would be "SO? They are Alabama, they are supposed to beat UCF."

As an aside you are probably going to start seeing the same type discussions in regards to mid-week baseball games because it makes absolutely no sense for a team with NCAA tournament aspirations to play games against teams that even if they win they fall in the RPI ratings.

Great, email your AD and ask for an H&H with UCF.

Why would we want a home and home with UCF? How would it benefit Clemson to use up the H&H slot on UCF instead of playing someone like Auburn, Texas A&M, Georgia, etc? Sure we might get the 12-0 2017 version but we are just as likely to get the 0-12 2015 version of UCF. We aren't going to be able to sell tickets for the home game at a premium price like we can the P5 schools we have scheduled and we get plenty of exposure in Florida already playing FSU every year.

Maybe one day we'll be conference mates and I'll come by your tailgate.

Until then, I don't know what to say other than, IMO at least, the CFP, ESPN, and the SEC are in collusion to corner the college football market and by extension, are running an unlawful monopoly that is in violation of the Sherman Anti-trust act.

(05-17-2018 04:32 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 04:02 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 01:07 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 12:16 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  What’s interesting is that bama wouldn’t accept UCFs home and home challenge, guess bama would rather play it safe with the longhorns
Just say’n

...

Really?

Kudos to Alabama for scheduling the ND and Texas home/home series.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Alabama still is not playing any more 'A5' games so far in the future. Unless the SEC changes to 9 conference games or none of the games get switched to a neutral location, their scheduling practices have not changed much.

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-20/2020-...hedule.php

Kudos to Alabama for scheduling the ND and Texas home/home series.

(05-17-2018 07:42 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 08:03 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Ala did the smart things it could do. Took a p5 game from UCF, Keep the out casts down, and scheduled a game against a weak p5 school.

Texas might not not be relevant since 2009 but it is one, if not, the biggest brand in college sports. Do you really think UCF or any G5 can compete with that?

Big brand, weak team. Perfect for UA.

(05-18-2018 07:13 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 07:42 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 08:03 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Ala did the smart things it could do. Took a p5 game from UCF, Keep the out casts down, and scheduled a game against a weak p5 school.

Texas might not not be relevant since 2009 but it is one, if not, the biggest brand in college sports. Do you really think UCF or any G5 can compete with that?

Big brand, weak team. Perfect for UA.

What are the Powerball numbers? Since you can see the future and tell what type of team Texas will have in 2022 and all.