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Any chance Hueitt pulls a Haynes and comes back?

It wouldn't surprise me.

(04-20-2018 08:00 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(04-20-2018 06:57 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(04-19-2018 07:10 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  None of the schools that offered are in the same league as us. We would dominate the ten team CAA. As would Middle or WKU.

This team would certainly not dominate the CAA right now. We would be near the top, but we would not dominate.

Unless we get some quality big men transfers, we would be lucky to finish in the middle of the pack.

Have you seen the big guys in CAA?

(04-20-2018 09:40 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(04-20-2018 08:00 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(04-20-2018 06:57 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(04-19-2018 07:10 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  None of the schools that offered are in the same league as us. We would dominate the ten team CAA. As would Middle or WKU.

This team would certainly not dominate the CAA right now. We would be near the top, but we would not dominate.

Unless we get some quality big men transfers, we would be lucky to finish in the middle of the pack.

Have you seen the big guys in CAA?

Well, JMU (Develle Phillips) and W&M (Nathan Knight) both have superior frontcourts to what we have right now (unless our freshmen are ready to go as starters). I don't follow much of the rest of the CAA, but that should be enough.

(04-19-2018 09:39 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(04-19-2018 09:00 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(04-19-2018 08:53 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(04-19-2018 07:10 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  None of the schools that offered are in the same league as us. We would dominate the ten team CAA. As would Middle or WKU.

Did William & Mary leave the CAA?

And how did b&m fair against us when we played in the CAA? Playing every year home and home and in a tournament is a very different situation than the current arrangement. We owned them - and we would own them if we went back. CAA is a one bid league with virtually no presence in the NIT and always will be. It’s one of the reasons vcu left.

Hard to make a rational argument that ODU would dominate a team that has won the last 5 or 6 games against them by saying that it would be different if ODU was back in the CAA instead of where they are - CUSA. Are you saying that ODU would have a different team? A different coach?

What happened between ODU and W&M 10-15 years ago when ODU was in the CAA and had a different coach running the show means nothing with regards to what is taking place over the Jeff Jones / C-USA era for ODU. Simply put, ODU isn't the same team they were 10 years ago - they are not at the same level.

We’re going to have to agree to disagree. The dynamics of playing a team in conference are substantially different than playing once per year early in the season. I was at the b&m game this past year and it was a miracle they won. We were the better team, and we were substantially better than them by the end of the season.

Our team last year would have won the CAA (although CoC potentially could have topped us). CUSA is currently a better basketball conference than CAA - as demonstrated by postseason performance in the dance and nit (combined with having a ranked team during the year).

(04-20-2018 03:02 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(04-19-2018 09:39 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(04-19-2018 09:00 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(04-19-2018 08:53 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(04-19-2018 07:10 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  None of the schools that offered are in the same league as us. We would dominate the ten team CAA. As would Middle or WKU.

Did William & Mary leave the CAA?

And how did b&m fair against us when we played in the CAA? Playing every year home and home and in a tournament is a very different situation than the current arrangement. We owned them - and we would own them if we went back. CAA is a one bid league with virtually no presence in the NIT and always will be. It’s one of the reasons vcu left.

Hard to make a rational argument that ODU would dominate a team that has won the last 5 or 6 games against them by saying that it would be different if ODU was back in the CAA instead of where they are - CUSA. Are you saying that ODU would have a different team? A different coach?

What happened between ODU and W&M 10-15 years ago when ODU was in the CAA and had a different coach running the show means nothing with regards to what is taking place over the Jeff Jones / C-USA era for ODU. Simply put, ODU isn't the same team they were 10 years ago - they are not at the same level.

We’re going to have to agree to disagree. The dynamics of playing a team in conference are substantially different than playing once per year early in the season. I was at the b&m game this past year and it was a miracle they won. We were the better team, and we were substantially better than them by the end of the season.

Our team last year would have won the CAA (although CoC potentially could have topped us). CUSA is currently a better basketball conference than CAA - as demonstrated by postseason performance in the dance and nit (combined with having a ranked team during the year).

Yes, if you are sticking to your position - which is your prerogative - then we will absolutely have to agree to disagree that ODU would have dominated the CAA in the years since they have left it. This past season ODU put out a fairly veteran starting line-up with (Brandan - 5th year senior transfer, Haynes - senior, Porter - 4th year junior transfer, BJ - 4th year junior transfer, and Caver - junior). No reason for them to have a longer transgression to getting better during the season than any other team such as William & Mary. The fact that ODU lost to them on a last second shot, no matter how lucky it was, shows how close the game was at the end so ODU hardly dominated them. Recent history would show that to be the normal outcome so it should not surprise anyone if they had won another game if ODU had to play them again last season. I think W&M also defeated Marshall last season so they may have been undefeated against C-USA.

ODU also opened last season at home against Towson. It was a closely contested game that ODU managed to win. Had that game been played at Towson, they may well have prevailed. Not sure how ODU would have done against Charleston, but I'm pretty sure they would have been tough to defeat one way or the other.

Bottom line, ODU might have finished on top of the CAA this season, or they might just as easily have finished somewhere behind Charleston (2nd or 3rd). The season before last when Keates was at UNCW they probably finish ahead of ODU as well. Not seeing the domination that you speak of. Now if ODU could put out a few of the teams that Blaine had during his time coaching them against the CAA teams of the past 5 season then I'm right there with you.

(04-20-2018 09:02 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Any chance Hueitt pulls a Haynes and comes back?

No. Haynes was asked to rethink his decision. No one has asked Hueitt to rethink his decision. No one is sad to see Hueitt go except a few posters on here.

(04-20-2018 07:27 PM)blewbyu Wrote:  

(04-20-2018 09:02 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Any chance Hueitt pulls a Haynes and comes back?

No. Haynes was asked to rethink his decision. No one has asked Hueitt to rethink his decision. No one is sad to see Hueitt go except a few posters on here.

How do you know what he's been asked?

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(04-20-2018 06:30 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(04-20-2018 03:02 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(04-19-2018 09:39 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(04-19-2018 09:00 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(04-19-2018 08:53 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Did William & Mary leave the CAA?

And how did b&m fair against us when we played in the CAA? Playing every year home and home and in a tournament is a very different situation than the current arrangement. We owned them - and we would own them if we went back. CAA is a one bid league with virtually no presence in the NIT and always will be. It’s one of the reasons vcu left.

Hard to make a rational argument that ODU would dominate a team that has won the last 5 or 6 games against them by saying that it would be different if ODU was back in the CAA instead of where they are - CUSA. Are you saying that ODU would have a different team? A different coach?

What happened between ODU and W&M 10-15 years ago when ODU was in the CAA and had a different coach running the show means nothing with regards to what is taking place over the Jeff Jones / C-USA era for ODU. Simply put, ODU isn't the same team they were 10 years ago - they are not at the same level.

We’re going to have to agree to disagree. The dynamics of playing a team in conference are substantially different than playing once per year early in the season. I was at the b&m game this past year and it was a miracle they won. We were the better team, and we were substantially better than them by the end of the season.

Our team last year would have won the CAA (although CoC potentially could have topped us). CUSA is currently a better basketball conference than CAA - as demonstrated by postseason performance in the dance and nit (combined with having a ranked team during the year).

Yes, if you are sticking to your position - which is your prerogative - then we will absolutely have to agree to disagree that ODU would have dominated the CAA in the years since they have left it. This past season ODU put out a fairly veteran starting line-up with (Brandan - 5th year senior transfer, Haynes - senior, Porter - 4th year junior transfer, BJ - 4th year junior transfer, and Caver - junior). No reason for them to have a longer transgression to getting better during the season than any other team such as William & Mary. The fact that ODU lost to them on a last second shot, no matter how lucky it was, shows how close the game was at the end so ODU hardly dominated them. Recent history would show that to be the normal outcome so it should not surprise anyone if they had won another game if ODU had to play them again last season. I think W&M also defeated Marshall last season so they may have been undefeated against C-USA.

ODU also opened last season at home against Towson. It was a closely contested game that ODU managed to win. Had that game been played at Towson, they may well have prevailed. Not sure how ODU would have done against Charleston, but I'm pretty sure they would have been tough to defeat one way or the other.

Bottom line, ODU might have finished on top of the CAA this season, or they might just as easily have finished somewhere behind Charleston (2nd or 3rd). The season before last when Keates was at UNCW they probably finish ahead of ODU as well. Not seeing the domination that you speak of. Now if ODU could put out a few of the teams that Blaine had during his time coaching them against the CAA teams of the past 5 season then I'm right there with you.

Yes, you have not changed my mind and I am sticking to my position. CUSA is a better conference than CAA - and we would dominate if we returned - as would WKU and Middle. I think you’re placing too much weight on a handful of games against b&m. And I won’t pay them the same respect as you to spell out their full name (which makes me think you support them). Regardless, the CAA is a one bid league with little to no NIT presence.

And how quickly we forget our two years w/Trey Freeman. We most likely would have won the CAA tourney both years.

I think we would have won CAA last year, but as of now, we've lost a ton from thst team.

(04-21-2018 06:36 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  I think we would have won CAA last year, but as of now, we've lost a ton from thst team.

Agreed - if we don’t land a grad xfer big, next year is going to become the “freshmen experiment.”

We will know by June what we have next year. We got Dahi in June fwiw.

(04-20-2018 07:30 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-20-2018 07:27 PM)blewbyu Wrote:  

(04-20-2018 09:02 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Any chance Hueitt pulls a Haynes and comes back?

No. Haynes was asked to rethink his decision. No one has asked Hueitt to rethink his decision. No one is sad to see Hueitt go except a few posters on here.

How do you know what he's been asked?

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Because he knows.

(04-23-2018 07:18 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(04-20-2018 07:30 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-20-2018 07:27 PM)blewbyu Wrote:  

(04-20-2018 09:02 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Any chance Hueitt pulls a Haynes and comes back?

No. Haynes was asked to rethink his decision. No one has asked Hueitt to rethink his decision. No one is sad to see Hueitt go except a few posters on here.

How do you know what he's been asked?

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Because he knows.

Well that settles it then, lol

(04-21-2018 06:36 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  I think we would have won CAA last year, but as of now, we've lost a ton from thst team.

We may have won the regular season, but I doubt we would have won the tournament. CofC would have been a tough out for us.

Just for reference, CoC was 115 in KenPom (6 spots below UAB). They probably would have finished about 4-6 in CUSA.

(04-23-2018 09:54 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Just for reference, CoC was 115 in KenPom (6 spots below UAB). They probably would have finished about 4-6 in CUSA.

Not saying that you are wrong, but it is an argument that no one can win.

ODU squeaked by Towson at home by 3 points - 57-54. Had the game been at Towson it may well have ended differently.

ODU (C-USA) lost on the road to W & M at the buzzer. W & M has defeated ODU in most if not all of the last 6 games played.

W & M defeated Marshall (C-USA) by 10 last season at W & M.

Charleston won by 9 at Charlotte (C-USA), and lost by just 6 on the road against a very strong Rhode Island team that was probably better than anyone in C-USA. Charleston also won the CAA regular season and the CAA Tournament. It certainly is possible that they would have done poorly and finished 4-6 in C-USA. It is just as possible that they would have finished among the top 2 or 3 in C-USA also. No way to say either way for certain. It is usually all about how the styles the teams play factor into the games, and how good the teams are in playing their style.

(04-23-2018 12:59 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(04-23-2018 09:54 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Just for reference, CoC was 115 in KenPom (6 spots below UAB). They probably would have finished about 4-6 in CUSA.

Not saying that you are wrong, but it is an argument that no one can win.

ODU squeaked by Towson at home by 3 points - 57-54. Had the game been at Towson it may well have ended differently.

ODU (C-USA) lost on the road to W & M at the buzzer. W & M has defeated ODU in most if not all of the last 6 games played.

W & M defeated Marshall (C-USA) by 10 last season at W & M.

Charleston won by 9 at Charlotte (C-USA), and lost by just 6 on the road against a very strong Rhode Island team that was probably better than anyone in C-USA. Charleston also won the CAA regular season and the CAA Tournament. It certainly is possible that they would have done poorly and finished 4-6 in C-USA. It is just as possible that they would have finished among the top 2 or 3 in C-USA also. No way to say either way for certain. It is usually all about how the styles the teams play factor into the games, and how good the teams are in playing their style.

Did CoC have a big man who could stretch the floor?

(04-23-2018 01:03 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(04-23-2018 12:59 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(04-23-2018 09:54 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Just for reference, CoC was 115 in KenPom (6 spots below UAB). They probably would have finished about 4-6 in CUSA.

Not saying that you are wrong, but it is an argument that no one can win.

ODU squeaked by Towson at home by 3 points - 57-54. Had the game been at Towson it may well have ended differently.

ODU (C-USA) lost on the road to W & M at the buzzer. W & M has defeated ODU in most if not all of the last 6 games played.

W & M defeated Marshall (C-USA) by 10 last season at W & M.

Charleston won by 9 at Charlotte (C-USA), and lost by just 6 on the road against a very strong Rhode Island team that was probably better than anyone in C-USA. Charleston also won the CAA regular season and the CAA Tournament. It certainly is possible that they would have done poorly and finished 4-6 in C-USA. It is just as possible that they would have finished among the top 2 or 3 in C-USA also. No way to say either way for certain. It is usually all about how the styles the teams play factor into the games, and how good the teams are in playing their style.

Did CoC have a big man who could stretch the floor?

No, their "big guy" was garbage. (Nick Harris)

(04-23-2018 09:54 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Just for reference, CoC was 115 in KenPom (6 spots below UAB). They probably would have finished about 4-6 in CUSA.

Does KenPom play games?