(04-13-2018 09:02 AM)k2tigers Wrote:  does San Jose St. have a basketball team

lol I've seen one bumper sticker in 20 years for San Jose State.

(04-13-2018 11:02 AM)jamammy Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 10:55 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 10:49 AM)jamammy Wrote:  Penny's success as a head coach at Memphis depends directly on his ability to hire who he wants, recruit who he wants, and coach the way he wants.

To limit one it to limit all three.

All other coaches pick their own staff.

This is not something new.

Again, wtf are you talking about? ALL schools have a vetting process with every single employee. Brown has been available to any school that wanted him since 2011 and the only bites have been SMU and now Memphis. *Has it ever occurred to you that there is a reason for that? But go ahead and continue with the same nonsense if it makes you feel better.

*rhetorical question...of course it hasn't.

You obviously have a Penny problem.

Penny hiring who he wants has nothing to do with who wanted to hire Larry Brown four year ago.

It has to do with who Penny wants to hire now.

But you know this, just like the others who have a Penny problem.

ALL COACHES HIRE WHO THEY WANT ESPECIALLY THE ONES WHO ARE EXPECTED TO PRODUCE TOP 10 RESULTS.

There is no disputing this.

Quote:Penny hiring who he wants has nothing to do with who wanted to hire Larry Brown four year ago.

I am not surprised that you are making this statement. I and others have attempted to enlighten you, but nothing seems to make a dent. The fact that a genius like Larry Brown has had no interest from even mediocre basketball programs for the last 7 years speaks volumes about what the consensus is from anyone with any common sense. Larry Brown, one of the greats of all time had only had a sniff from one of the worst NCAA basketball programs in the country, one that hadn't been to the tournament in 18 years, and one that hadn't won an NCAA game in 25 years.

You obviously have a common sense and deductive reasoning problem. IF the school (not just Bowen) wants to hire Brown, great. IF the school (not just Bowen) doesn't want to hire Bowen, I completely understand their reasoning. You apparently don't.

Perhaps you need to invest in a slightly smaller version of one of these.

Jammammy Enlightener Assist

(04-13-2018 11:14 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 11:02 AM)jamammy Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 10:55 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 10:49 AM)jamammy Wrote:  Penny's success as a head coach at Memphis depends directly on his ability to hire who he wants, recruit who he wants, and coach the way he wants.

To limit one it to limit all three.

All other coaches pick their own staff.

This is not something new.

Again, wtf are you talking about? ALL schools have a vetting process with every single employee. Brown has been available to any school that wanted him since 2011 and the only bites have been SMU and now Memphis. *Has it ever occurred to you that there is a reason for that? But go ahead and continue with the same nonsense if it makes you feel better.

*rhetorical question...of course it hasn't.

You obviously have a Penny problem.

Penny hiring who he wants has nothing to do with who wanted to hire Larry Brown four year ago.

It has to do with who Penny wants to hire now.

But you know this, just like the others who have a Penny problem.

ALL COACHES HIRE WHO THEY WANT ESPECIALLY THE ONES WHO ARE EXPECTED TO PRODUCE TOP 10 RESULTS.

There is no disputing this.

Quote:Penny hiring who he wants has nothing to do with who wanted to hire Larry Brown four year ago.

I am not surprised that you are making this statement. I and others have attempted to enlighten you, but nothing seems to make a dent. The fact that a genius like Larry Brown has had no interest from even mediocre basketball programs for the last 7 years speaks volumes about what the consensus is from anyone with any common sense. Larry Brown, one of the greats of all time had only had a sniff from one of the worst NCAA basketball programs in the country, one that hadn't been to the tournament in 18 years, and one that hadn't won an NCAA game in 25 years.

You obviously have a common sense and deductive reasoning problem. IF the school (not just Bowen) wants to hire Brown, great. IF the school (not just Bowen) doesn't want to hire Bowen, I completely understand their reasoning. You apparently don't.

Perhaps you need to invest in a slightly smaller version of one of these.

Jammammy Enlightener Assist

Duke, Kentucky, UNC, Kansas all called and said you were an idiot.

Don't shoot the messenger.

(04-13-2018 11:46 AM)jamammy Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 11:14 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 11:02 AM)jamammy Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 10:55 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 10:49 AM)jamammy Wrote:  Penny's success as a head coach at Memphis depends directly on his ability to hire who he wants, recruit who he wants, and coach the way he wants.

To limit one it to limit all three.

All other coaches pick their own staff.

This is not something new.

Again, wtf are you talking about? ALL schools have a vetting process with every single employee. Brown has been available to any school that wanted him since 2011 and the only bites have been SMU and now Memphis. *Has it ever occurred to you that there is a reason for that? But go ahead and continue with the same nonsense if it makes you feel better.

*rhetorical question...of course it hasn't.

You obviously have a Penny problem.

Penny hiring who he wants has nothing to do with who wanted to hire Larry Brown four year ago.

It has to do with who Penny wants to hire now.

But you know this, just like the others who have a Penny problem.

ALL COACHES HIRE WHO THEY WANT ESPECIALLY THE ONES WHO ARE EXPECTED TO PRODUCE TOP 10 RESULTS.

There is no disputing this.

Quote:Penny hiring who he wants has nothing to do with who wanted to hire Larry Brown four year ago.

I am not surprised that you are making this statement. I and others have attempted to enlighten you, but nothing seems to make a dent. The fact that a genius like Larry Brown has had no interest from even mediocre basketball programs for the last 7 years speaks volumes about what the consensus is from anyone with any common sense. Larry Brown, one of the greats of all time had only had a sniff from one of the worst NCAA basketball programs in the country, one that hadn't been to the tournament in 18 years, and one that hadn't won an NCAA game in 25 years.

You obviously have a common sense and deductive reasoning problem. IF the school (not just Bowen) wants to hire Brown, great. IF the school (not just Bowen) doesn't want to hire Bowen, I completely understand their reasoning. You apparently don't.

Perhaps you need to invest in a slightly smaller version of one of these.

Jammammy Enlightener Assist

Duke, Kentucky, UNC, Kansas all called and said you were an idiot.

Don't shoot the messenger.

Hmmmm...maybe a rock boring machine won't work after all.

(04-13-2018 11:14 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Larry Brown has had no interest from even mediocre basketball programs for the last 7 years

Can you provide a link to back up this statement?

(04-12-2018 09:48 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 09:29 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 09:07 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 08:50 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  Maybe Caulkin's will put the pressure on Bowen .

Caulkins won't have too. Hearing penny is pushing back and was livid the article came out about the take it or leave it consultant job. This isn't a good look. And will only make future dealings with bowen and penny more complicated.

I don’t know where you got your info from but I couldn’t have seen Penny signed off on offering his mentor the consultant job. So this public offer was a pure in-around without Penny’s knowledge?

Yes without his knowledge. Hence why he was livid . Bowen refused a meeting with penny and brown 1 week after penny was hired.

If true---he needs to be fired---total disrespect .

(04-13-2018 11:57 AM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 11:14 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Larry Brown has had no interest from even mediocre basketball programs for the last 7 years

Can you provide a link to back up this statement?

Of course he can't.

All drive and no putt.

(04-13-2018 10:20 AM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 10:48 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Mind boggling.

(12-12-2017 07:18 PM)jamammy Wrote:  Mind bottling isn't it?

(12-05-2014 01:57 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  Lots of "mind bottling" going around these days.

(12-05-2014 11:44 AM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  It's mind-bottling.

(02-04-2013 01:59 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  Why he doesn't is mind bottling.

(01-19-2013 11:13 PM)Birmingham Tiger Wrote:  Some of the crap that comes out of Pastner's mouth is mind bottling.

(07-18-2011 11:15 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  mind "bottling" is a phrase the same as "truEth".

lol

(04-13-2018 02:01 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 09:48 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 09:29 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 09:07 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 08:50 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  Maybe Caulkin's will put the pressure on Bowen .

Caulkins won't have too. Hearing penny is pushing back and was livid the article came out about the take it or leave it consultant job. This isn't a good look. And will only make future dealings with bowen and penny more complicated.

I don’t know where you got your info from but I couldn’t have seen Penny signed off on offering his mentor the consultant job. So this public offer was a pure in-around without Penny’s knowledge?

Yes without his knowledge. Hence why he was livid . Bowen refused a meeting with penny and brown 1 week after penny was hired.

If true---he needs to be fired---total disrespect .

Yup.

can him like tuna is starting to have a noice ring.

(04-13-2018 02:20 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 10:20 AM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 10:48 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Mind boggling.

(12-12-2017 07:18 PM)jamammy Wrote:  Mind bottling isn't it?

(12-05-2014 01:57 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  Lots of "mind bottling" going around these days.

(12-05-2014 11:44 AM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  It's mind-bottling.

(02-04-2013 01:59 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  Why he doesn't is mind bottling.

(01-19-2013 11:13 PM)Birmingham Tiger Wrote:  Some of the crap that comes out of Pastner's mouth is mind bottling.

(07-18-2011 11:15 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  mind "bottling" is a phrase the same as "truEth".

lol

~ a bottled mine is a terrible waste of a bottle ~

(04-12-2018 05:58 PM)jamammy Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 05:51 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  Penny can't get top 10 results with out Larry Brown?

Let me put it like this.

You don't tell a coach that you expect TOP 10 RESULTS out of who he can or can't hire.

If the NCAA clears a guy to coach then he is a hirable candidate.

Period.

No two ways about it.

So, either they don't expect TOP 10 RESULTS out of Penny and did this whole thing to spark interest in season tickets

OR

they are standing in the way of a coach that they expect to get TOP 10 RESULTS out of from hiring who he wants.

Would you do that to other TOP 10 RESULTS coaches?

The Coach K's, Bill Self's, Calipari's, and Ole Roy's of the world say different.

It's either one way or the other way.

Do you want TOP 10 RESULTS or do you want to sell some season tickets by lying to the most known figure to ever be associated with Tiger basketball or any Tiger sport of all time?

So is that a yes or no?

(04-13-2018 06:51 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 05:58 PM)jamammy Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 05:51 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  Penny can't get top 10 results with out Larry Brown?

Let me put it like this.

You don't tell a coach that you expect TOP 10 RESULTS out of who he can or can't hire.

If the NCAA clears a guy to coach then he is a hirable candidate.

Period.

No two ways about it.

So, either they don't expect TOP 10 RESULTS out of Penny and did this whole thing to spark interest in season tickets

OR

they are standing in the way of a coach that they expect to get TOP 10 RESULTS out of from hiring who he wants.

Would you do that to other TOP 10 RESULTS coaches?

The Coach K's, Bill Self's, Calipari's, and Ole Roy's of the world say different.

It's either one way or the other way.

Do you want TOP 10 RESULTS or do you want to sell some season tickets by lying to the most known figure to ever be associated with Tiger basketball or any Tiger sport of all time?

So is that a yes or no?

It is.

(04-12-2018 11:35 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 11:24 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 10:57 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 10:48 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 10:29 PM)former guest Wrote:  Wah wah wah...

Could it be none of the boosters wanted to help fund the Assistant's pool if Larry Brown was liable to be getting any of it? Why should they, as loyal benefactors to the University, want to help finance the possible (or could it be ultimate) embarrassment that comes with him in the program?

I don't find any use in getting worked up over things I can't control. Carry on with your petulant rant.

The main thing in all this is that there are a lot of reasons to hire Brown and a lot of reasons not to. I understand both sides. The issue is that we have posters that seemingly don't and only see one side.

Mind boggling.

There’s concern but the main concern for me would be if he was being hired as Head Coach.....he’s not. Plus he would not be under a complete stranger or a guy he somewhat knows, it’s the man in Penny he respects and loves like a son according to people, I can’t see the man going over the head of Penny to cheat or do something against NCAA rules. All Bowen and Administration has to do was put up stipulations for Larry to sign to get on board as staff member. But to not even sit down with the man and talk about it is bush league if it’s true

When coaching searches are conducted and prospects are vetted it is amazing what information people can come up with. Maybe the admin felt that based on what they knew there was no reason to talk to Brown. How is it bush league to turn down an applicant who has cheated 3 times, including at his last job?

90% of the posters on this board wouldn't hire a prospect like Brown at their own business if they owned one.

When I look at what he actually did and know how the NCAA actually is, I would hire him. Yep.

Me too.

Back in 1978, he got popped for ineligible players at UCLA.

Ten years later, 1988, he got popped for giving Vincent Askew improper benefits in the form of a plane ride and some pocket money.

Meanwhile Dana Kirk ...

Highly sought after NBA coach, went from one team to the next.

Everybody wanted a piece of Larry Brown.

2013 or so a player's girlfriend does his homework.

Brown doesn't report it, I guess.

How many players have someone else do online course work?

LOL.

SMU gets slammed.

Meanwhile UNC does WAYYYYYYYYY worse and gets nothing.

(04-15-2018 12:11 AM)jamammy Wrote:  Back in 1978, he got popped for ineligible players at UCLA.

Ten years later, 1988, he got popped for giving Vincent Askew improper benefits in the form of a plane ride and some pocket money.

Meanwhile Dana Kirk ...

Highly sought after NBA coach, went from one team to the next.

Everybody wanted a piece of Larry Brown.

2013 or so a player's girlfriend does his homework.

Brown doesn't report it, I guess.

How many players have someone else do online course work?

LOL.

SMU gets slammed.

Meanwhile UNC does WAYYYYYYYYY worse and gets nothing.

I lived in Kansas for a few years and KU folks don’t give Brown the pass you seem to give him. From an article published in 1988 :

But not all the violations involved illegal payments to Askew because the committee said it "made additional findings of improper recruiting inducements, contacts and transportation related to the recruitment of this prospective transfer student-athlete, as well as one finding of improper entertainment for a different prospective student-athlete.”

(04-15-2018 12:24 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:11 AM)jamammy Wrote:  Back in 1978, he got popped for ineligible players at UCLA.

Ten years later, 1988, he got popped for giving Vincent Askew improper benefits in the form of a plane ride and some pocket money.

Meanwhile Dana Kirk ...

Highly sought after NBA coach, went from one team to the next.

Everybody wanted a piece of Larry Brown.

2013 or so a player's girlfriend does his homework.

Brown doesn't report it, I guess.

How many players have someone else do online course work?

LOL.

SMU gets slammed.

Meanwhile UNC does WAYYYYYYYYY worse and gets nothing.

I lived in Kansas for a few years and KU folks don’t give Brown the pass you seem to give him. From an article published in 1988 :

But not all the violations involved illegal payments to Askew because the committee said it "made additional findings of improper recruiting inducements, contacts and transportation related to the recruitment of this prospective transfer student-athlete, as well as one finding of improper entertainment for a different prospective student-athlete.”

Meanwhile Dana Kirk ...

(04-15-2018 12:28 AM)jamammy Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:24 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:11 AM)jamammy Wrote:  Back in 1978, he got popped for ineligible players at UCLA.

Ten years later, 1988, he got popped for giving Vincent Askew improper benefits in the form of a plane ride and some pocket money.

Meanwhile Dana Kirk ...

Highly sought after NBA coach, went from one team to the next.

Everybody wanted a piece of Larry Brown.

2013 or so a player's girlfriend does his homework.

Brown doesn't report it, I guess.

How many players have someone else do online course work?

LOL.

SMU gets slammed.

Meanwhile UNC does WAYYYYYYYYY worse and gets nothing.

I lived in Kansas for a few years and KU folks don’t give Brown the pass you seem to give him. From an article published in 1988 :

But not all the violations involved illegal payments to Askew because the committee said it "made additional findings of improper recruiting inducements, contacts and transportation related to the recruitment of this prospective transfer student-athlete, as well as one finding of improper entertainment for a different prospective student-athlete.”

Meanwhile Dana Kirk ...

And that’s your excuse for having Brown on the staff?

(04-15-2018 12:30 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:28 AM)jamammy Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:24 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:11 AM)jamammy Wrote:  Back in 1978, he got popped for ineligible players at UCLA.

Ten years later, 1988, he got popped for giving Vincent Askew improper benefits in the form of a plane ride and some pocket money.

Meanwhile Dana Kirk ...

Highly sought after NBA coach, went from one team to the next.

Everybody wanted a piece of Larry Brown.

2013 or so a player's girlfriend does his homework.

Brown doesn't report it, I guess.

How many players have someone else do online course work?

LOL.

SMU gets slammed.

Meanwhile UNC does WAYYYYYYYYY worse and gets nothing.

I lived in Kansas for a few years and KU folks don’t give Brown the pass you seem to give him. From an article published in 1988 :

But not all the violations involved illegal payments to Askew because the committee said it "made additional findings of improper recruiting inducements, contacts and transportation related to the recruitment of this prospective transfer student-athlete, as well as one finding of improper entertainment for a different prospective student-athlete.”

Meanwhile Dana Kirk ...

And that’s your excuse for having Brown on the staff?

Ok, so ...

IF Dana Kirk was alive and well and still spry and Penny wanted him to come in and mentor coach for a year or two would you have a problem with that supposing that Dana stayed in coaching over the years somewhat?

(04-15-2018 12:34 AM)jamammy Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:30 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:28 AM)jamammy Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:24 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:11 AM)jamammy Wrote:  Back in 1978, he got popped for ineligible players at UCLA.

Ten years later, 1988, he got popped for giving Vincent Askew improper benefits in the form of a plane ride and some pocket money.

Meanwhile Dana Kirk ...

Highly sought after NBA coach, went from one team to the next.

Everybody wanted a piece of Larry Brown.

2013 or so a player's girlfriend does his homework.

Brown doesn't report it, I guess.

How many players have someone else do online course work?

LOL.

SMU gets slammed.

Meanwhile UNC does WAYYYYYYYYY worse and gets nothing.

I lived in Kansas for a few years and KU folks don’t give Brown the pass you seem to give him. From an article published in 1988 :

But not all the violations involved illegal payments to Askew because the committee said it "made additional findings of improper recruiting inducements, contacts and transportation related to the recruitment of this prospective transfer student-athlete, as well as one finding of improper entertainment for a different prospective student-athlete.”

Meanwhile Dana Kirk ...

And that’s your excuse for having Brown on the staff?

Ok, so ...

IF Dana Kirk was alive and well and still spry and Penny wanted him to come in and mentor coach for a year or two would you have a problem with that supposing that Dana stayed in coaching over the years somewhat?

What do you think? With the amount of baggage Kirk had, there's no way I would support him being around Penny's staff. Heck, he even served a 4 month prison sentence. However, it seems to me you would be cool with Kirk as well if he was alive and spry.