(03-29-2018 07:27 PM)Jugnaut Wrote: I think this weighs more against Mueller than Trump. Mueller is known in the legal community as someone who is more interested in getting someone than the truth. He exerts pressure on people to force them to give favorable testimony even if not truthful. He's a "show me the man and I'll show you the crime" kind of prosecutor.
(03-29-2018 06:40 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote: ... brick by brick, Robert Mueller continues to build the case for collusion against Gates, Manafort and Donald Trump.
(CNN) — Special counsel Robert Mueller's team last year made clear it wanted former Trump campaign deputy Rick Gates' help, not so much against his former business partner Paul Manafort, but with its central mission: investigating the Trump campaign's contact with the Russians. New information disclosed in court filings and to CNN this week begin to show how they're getting it.
In a court filing earlier this week, the public saw the first signs of how the Mueller team plans to use information from Gates to tie Manafort, the former Trump campaign chairman, directly to a Russian intelligence agency. Mueller's team alleges that Gates was in contact with a close colleague of Manafort's who worked for a Russian intelligence agency -- and that Gates knew of the spy service ties in September and October 2016, while he worked on the Trump campaign. Gates would have to talk about the communication with the man if prosecutors wanted, according to his plea deal.
The alleged Russian intelligence agent, referred to as "Person A" in the court filing, appears to be Konstantin Kilimnik, a former employee who worked with Manafort's firm and lived in Kiev and Moscow, according to sources familiar with the investigation. In December, the Mueller prosecutors made a similar unnamed reference to Kilimnik, saying he is "assessed to have ties to a Russian intelligence service." That was related to a Kiev newspaper op-ed that Kilimnik helped edit in consultation with Manafort late last year, which prosecutors said could violate a court-imposed gag order on Manafort.
A chief criticism from President Donald Trump and his defenders has been that the charges brought so far by the special counsel don't relate directly to Mueller's central mission investigating possible illegal coordination between the Trump campaign and the Russian government, which the President and others often shorthand using the term collusion. The accusation related to Kilimnik and ties to Russian intelligence, made in Mueller's Tuesday filing, begins to answer that criticism, but so far without actually making the charge in Manafort's case.
Still havent. Havent even come close. Smells frantically desperate to me. At this point, the Trump Deep State conspiracy charge are a more fact based narrative than collusion.
If Manfort and Gates knowingly worked with a GRU agent to gain political assistance then it more than comes close to qualifying as collusion.
If its one thing Mueller hasnt been is frantic or desperate. Quite the contrary.
Lol.
“Collusion” to what? Collude?
I’ve talked to “Russians”, didn’t gain me a single presidential vote that I know of.
She was cute though, and bagged my groceries in good order...
This is just silliness. Anyone even remotely 100 IQ or slightly better can see that
(03-30-2018 07:34 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote: The House Investigation was a political sham meant to provide cover for the President. If Mueller comes to the same conclusion then Ill accept it.
Agreed.
That cheap suit, ambulance chasing, camera and microphone diving Schiffty guy should be ashamed and embarrassed.
Of course, no Marxist has ever exhibited shame or embarrassment. I’m not holding my breath on that dooosh doing so.
(03-30-2018 07:34 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote: The House Investigation was a political sham meant to provide cover for the President. If Mueller comes to the same conclusion then Ill accept it.
Will you really?
Sure I will because its largely been apolitical and exhaustive.
Im' not sure how many APOLITICAL investigations I've seen where the investigators themselves are implicated in a damning IG report.
Sounds like you’re preparing yourself for a conclusion you’ve already determined youre not going to accept.
(03-30-2018 07:34 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote: The House Investigation was a political sham meant to provide cover for the President. If Mueller comes to the same conclusion then Ill accept it.
Will you really?
Sure I will because its largely been apolitical and exhaustive.
Im' not sure how many APOLITICAL investigations I've seen where the investigators themselves are implicated in a damning IG report.
Sounds like you’re preparing yourself for a conclusion you’ve already determined youre not going to accept.
I'm not going to accept anything from a prosecutor who has a tainted team. The only people who would are those with sh*t for brains.
All this article really says is that although Mueller pushed Gates in an effort to do what he was called on to do (investigate collusion), he has only come up with unrelated and relatively minor charges.
It is telling that the article describes 'possible illegal coordination between the Trump campaign and the Russian government, which the President and others often shorthand using the term collusion'.
I'm pretty sure that collusion is actually in the law, as well as the 'charge' that Mueller works under... and not 'coordination'.
Why do you think an article would try and make 'less' of an actual legal term and 'more' of a colloquialism? There are numerous reasons I can think of but the most obvious one that comes to mind is that 'collusion' has an actual legal definition while 'coordination' can be stretched to mean whatever the user wants it to mean. If the Russians didn't want Hillary elected and Trump wanted to win, which would have meant that Hillary didn't get elected, then by many NON legal arguments, anything they did could be described as 'coordination'.
(03-30-2018 07:34 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote: The House Investigation was a political sham meant to provide cover for the President. If Mueller comes to the same conclusion then Ill accept it.
Will you really?
Sure I will because its largely been apolitical and exhaustive.
Im' not sure how many APOLITICAL investigations I've seen where the investigators themselves are implicated in a damning IG report.
Sounds like you’re preparing yourself for a conclusion you’ve already determined youre not going to accept.
Honest ?
What do you even imagine this might come up with?
Hookers peeing in bed? Trump somehow providing Wikileaks with pedo-destas emails? Don Jr spoke with a Russian envoy prior to that miraculous November eve?
(03-30-2018 08:36 AM)UofMstateU Wrote: Im' not sure how many APOLITICAL investigations I've seen where the investigators themselves are implicated in a damning IG report.
Sounds like you’re preparing yourself for a conclusion you’ve already determined youre not going to accept.
I'm not going to accept anything from a prosecutor who has a tainted team. The only people who would are those with sh*t for brains.
At least youre honest... though admittedly willfully ignorant.
Yup...I wonder who this fine fellow was talking too?
A campaign rally of thousands?
He shoots his mouth off, speaking off the cuff. So what?
We endured eight years of TelePrompTer recitations and fake Greek columns, we can survive a provocative comment or two.
(03-30-2018 07:34 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote: The House Investigation was a political sham meant to provide cover for the President. If Mueller comes to the same conclusion then Ill accept it.
coughBScough, like hell you will. At least try to be honest.
(03-30-2018 08:36 AM)UofMstateU Wrote: Im' not sure how many APOLITICAL investigations I've seen where the investigators themselves are implicated in a damning IG report.
Sounds like you’re preparing yourself for a conclusion you’ve already determined youre not going to accept.
I'm not going to accept anything from a prosecutor who has a tainted team. The only people who would are those with sh*t for brains.
At least youre honest... though admittedly willfully ignorant.
Yup...I wonder who this fine fellow was talking too?
(03-30-2018 08:36 AM)UofMstateU Wrote: Im' not sure how many APOLITICAL investigations I've seen where the investigators themselves are implicated in a damning IG report.
Sounds like you’re preparing yourself for a conclusion you’ve already determined youre not going to accept.
I'm not going to accept anything from a prosecutor who has a tainted team. The only people who would are those with sh*t for brains.
At least youre honest... though admittedly willfully ignorant.
Will you accept Muellers conclusion even though he has a tainted team?
A controversial London-based academic with close ties to Nigel Farage has been detained by the FBI upon arrival in the US and issued a subpoena to testify before Robert Mueller, the special counsel who is investigating possible collusion between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin.
Ted Malloch, an American touted last year as a possible candidate to serve as US ambassador to the EU, said he was interrogated by the FBI at Boston’s Logan airport on Wednesday following a flight from London and questioned about his involvement in the Trump campaign.
(03-30-2018 10:53 AM)UofMstateU Wrote: I'm not going to accept anything from a prosecutor who has a tainted team. The only people who would are those with sh*t for brains.
At least youre honest... though admittedly willfully ignorant.
Will you accept Muellers conclusion even though he has a tainted team?
bump
Who’s tainted? I guess its Mueller since he and Trump are both Republicans. I still think hes an honest broker.
You really need to drop the "he's republican" argument when talking about what's going on in DC as this has not been a pub versus dim issue for long before Trump was even elected prez. It's much more of an insiders versus outsiders thingy. You should know that.
Having said that, Marc, tell us honestly, based on all you know, and I assume you read plenty, do you really think there's a snowball's chance in hell that Mueller is going to come back with some sort of evidence of His Orangeness colluding with the Russians to throw the election?
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Mueller pushed Gates for help on Collusion
