... brick by brick, Robert Mueller continues to build the case for collusion against Gates, Manafort and Donald Trump.

Mueller: Gates, Manafort Trump Russia Collusion

(CNN) — Special counsel Robert Mueller's team last year made clear it wanted former Trump campaign deputy Rick Gates' help, not so much against his former business partner Paul Manafort, but with its central mission: investigating the Trump campaign's contact with the Russians. New information disclosed in court filings and to CNN this week begin to show how they're getting it.

In a court filing earlier this week, the public saw the first signs of how the Mueller team plans to use information from Gates to tie Manafort, the former Trump campaign chairman, directly to a Russian intelligence agency. Mueller's team alleges that Gates was in contact with a close colleague of Manafort's who worked for a Russian intelligence agency -- and that Gates knew of the spy service ties in September and October 2016, while he worked on the Trump campaign. Gates would have to talk about the communication with the man if prosecutors wanted, according to his plea deal.

The alleged Russian intelligence agent, referred to as "Person A" in the court filing, appears to be Konstantin Kilimnik, a former employee who worked with Manafort's firm and lived in Kiev and Moscow, according to sources familiar with the investigation. In December, the Mueller prosecutors made a similar unnamed reference to Kilimnik, saying he is "assessed to have ties to a Russian intelligence service." That was related to a Kiev newspaper op-ed that Kilimnik helped edit in consultation with Manafort late last year, which prosecutors said could violate a court-imposed gag order on Manafort.

A chief criticism from President Donald Trump and his defenders has been that the charges brought so far by the special counsel don't relate directly to Mueller's central mission investigating possible illegal coordination between the Trump campaign and the Russian government, which the President and others often shorthand using the term collusion. The accusation related to Kilimnik and ties to Russian intelligence, made in Mueller's Tuesday filing, begins to answer that criticism, but so far without actually making the charge in Manafort's case.

Yeah, this should do it Mensa. He's going down now.

(03-29-2018 06:40 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  ... brick by brick, Robert Mueller continues to build the case for collusion against Gates, Manafort and Donald Trump.

Mueller: Gates, Manafort Trump Russia Collusion

(CNN) — Special counsel Robert Mueller's team last year made clear it wanted former Trump campaign deputy Rick Gates' help, not so much against his former business partner Paul Manafort, but with its central mission: investigating the Trump campaign's contact with the Russians. New information disclosed in court filings and to CNN this week begin to show how they're getting it.

In a court filing earlier this week, the public saw the first signs of how the Mueller team plans to use information from Gates to tie Manafort, the former Trump campaign chairman, directly to a Russian intelligence agency. Mueller's team alleges that Gates was in contact with a close colleague of Manafort's who worked for a Russian intelligence agency -- and that Gates knew of the spy service ties in September and October 2016, while he worked on the Trump campaign. Gates would have to talk about the communication with the man if prosecutors wanted, according to his plea deal.

The alleged Russian intelligence agent, referred to as "Person A" in the court filing, appears to be Konstantin Kilimnik, a former employee who worked with Manafort's firm and lived in Kiev and Moscow, according to sources familiar with the investigation. In December, the Mueller prosecutors made a similar unnamed reference to Kilimnik, saying he is "assessed to have ties to a Russian intelligence service." That was related to a Kiev newspaper op-ed that Kilimnik helped edit in consultation with Manafort late last year, which prosecutors said could violate a court-imposed gag order on Manafort.

A chief criticism from President Donald Trump and his defenders has been that the charges brought so far by the special counsel don't relate directly to Mueller's central mission investigating possible illegal coordination between the Trump campaign and the Russian government, which the President and others often shorthand using the term collusion. The accusation related to Kilimnik and ties to Russian intelligence, made in Mueller's Tuesday filing, begins to answer that criticism, but so far without actually making the charge in Manafort's case.

Still havent. Havent even come close. Smells frantically desperate to me. At this point, the Trump Deep State conspiracy charge are a more fact based narrative than collusion.

(03-29-2018 06:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 06:40 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  ... brick by brick, Robert Mueller continues to build the case for collusion against Gates, Manafort and Donald Trump.

Mueller: Gates, Manafort Trump Russia Collusion

(CNN) — Special counsel Robert Mueller's team last year made clear it wanted former Trump campaign deputy Rick Gates' help, not so much against his former business partner Paul Manafort, but with its central mission: investigating the Trump campaign's contact with the Russians. New information disclosed in court filings and to CNN this week begin to show how they're getting it.

In a court filing earlier this week, the public saw the first signs of how the Mueller team plans to use information from Gates to tie Manafort, the former Trump campaign chairman, directly to a Russian intelligence agency. Mueller's team alleges that Gates was in contact with a close colleague of Manafort's who worked for a Russian intelligence agency -- and that Gates knew of the spy service ties in September and October 2016, while he worked on the Trump campaign. Gates would have to talk about the communication with the man if prosecutors wanted, according to his plea deal.

The alleged Russian intelligence agent, referred to as "Person A" in the court filing, appears to be Konstantin Kilimnik, a former employee who worked with Manafort's firm and lived in Kiev and Moscow, according to sources familiar with the investigation. In December, the Mueller prosecutors made a similar unnamed reference to Kilimnik, saying he is "assessed to have ties to a Russian intelligence service." That was related to a Kiev newspaper op-ed that Kilimnik helped edit in consultation with Manafort late last year, which prosecutors said could violate a court-imposed gag order on Manafort.

A chief criticism from President Donald Trump and his defenders has been that the charges brought so far by the special counsel don't relate directly to Mueller's central mission investigating possible illegal coordination between the Trump campaign and the Russian government, which the President and others often shorthand using the term collusion. The accusation related to Kilimnik and ties to Russian intelligence, made in Mueller's Tuesday filing, begins to answer that criticism, but so far without actually making the charge in Manafort's case.

Still havent. Havent even come close. Smells frantically desperate to me. At this point, the Trump Deep State conspiracy charge are a more fact based narrative than collusion.

If Manfort and Gates knowingly worked with a GRU agent to gain political assistance then it more than comes close to qualifying as collusion.

If its one thing Mueller hasnt been is frantic or desperate. Quite the contrary.

(03-29-2018 06:56 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  Yeah, this should do it Mensa. He's going down now.

thats what she said

(03-29-2018 07:15 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 06:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 06:40 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  ... brick by brick, Robert Mueller continues to build the case for collusion against Gates, Manafort and Donald Trump.

Mueller: Gates, Manafort Trump Russia Collusion

(CNN) — Special counsel Robert Mueller's team last year made clear it wanted former Trump campaign deputy Rick Gates' help, not so much against his former business partner Paul Manafort, but with its central mission: investigating the Trump campaign's contact with the Russians. New information disclosed in court filings and to CNN this week begin to show how they're getting it.

In a court filing earlier this week, the public saw the first signs of how the Mueller team plans to use information from Gates to tie Manafort, the former Trump campaign chairman, directly to a Russian intelligence agency. Mueller's team alleges that Gates was in contact with a close colleague of Manafort's who worked for a Russian intelligence agency -- and that Gates knew of the spy service ties in September and October 2016, while he worked on the Trump campaign. Gates would have to talk about the communication with the man if prosecutors wanted, according to his plea deal.

The alleged Russian intelligence agent, referred to as "Person A" in the court filing, appears to be Konstantin Kilimnik, a former employee who worked with Manafort's firm and lived in Kiev and Moscow, according to sources familiar with the investigation. In December, the Mueller prosecutors made a similar unnamed reference to Kilimnik, saying he is "assessed to have ties to a Russian intelligence service." That was related to a Kiev newspaper op-ed that Kilimnik helped edit in consultation with Manafort late last year, which prosecutors said could violate a court-imposed gag order on Manafort.

A chief criticism from President Donald Trump and his defenders has been that the charges brought so far by the special counsel don't relate directly to Mueller's central mission investigating possible illegal coordination between the Trump campaign and the Russian government, which the President and others often shorthand using the term collusion. The accusation related to Kilimnik and ties to Russian intelligence, made in Mueller's Tuesday filing, begins to answer that criticism, but so far without actually making the charge in Manafort's case.

Still havent. Havent even come close. Smells frantically desperate to me. At this point, the Trump Deep State conspiracy charge are a more fact based narrative than collusion.

If Manfort and Gates knowingly worked with a GRU agent to gain political assistance then it more than comes close to qualifying as collusion.

If its one thing Mueller hasnt been is frantic or desperate. Quite the contrary.

Yes, and if my aunt had testicles, she'd be my uncle. This one's a reach, even by your standards, then again, it is CNN.

I think this weighs more against Mueller than Trump. Mueller is known in the legal community as someone who is more interested in getting someone than the truth. He exerts pressure on people to force them to give favorable testimony even if not truthful. He's a "show me the man and I'll show you the crime" kind of prosecutor.

(03-29-2018 07:22 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 07:15 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 06:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 06:40 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  ... brick by brick, Robert Mueller continues to build the case for collusion against Gates, Manafort and Donald Trump.

Mueller: Gates, Manafort Trump Russia Collusion

(CNN) — Special counsel Robert Mueller's team last year made clear it wanted former Trump campaign deputy Rick Gates' help, not so much against his former business partner Paul Manafort, but with its central mission: investigating the Trump campaign's contact with the Russians. New information disclosed in court filings and to CNN this week begin to show how they're getting it.

In a court filing earlier this week, the public saw the first signs of how the Mueller team plans to use information from Gates to tie Manafort, the former Trump campaign chairman, directly to a Russian intelligence agency. Mueller's team alleges that Gates was in contact with a close colleague of Manafort's who worked for a Russian intelligence agency -- and that Gates knew of the spy service ties in September and October 2016, while he worked on the Trump campaign. Gates would have to talk about the communication with the man if prosecutors wanted, according to his plea deal.

The alleged Russian intelligence agent, referred to as "Person A" in the court filing, appears to be Konstantin Kilimnik, a former employee who worked with Manafort's firm and lived in Kiev and Moscow, according to sources familiar with the investigation. In December, the Mueller prosecutors made a similar unnamed reference to Kilimnik, saying he is "assessed to have ties to a Russian intelligence service." That was related to a Kiev newspaper op-ed that Kilimnik helped edit in consultation with Manafort late last year, which prosecutors said could violate a court-imposed gag order on Manafort.

A chief criticism from President Donald Trump and his defenders has been that the charges brought so far by the special counsel don't relate directly to Mueller's central mission investigating possible illegal coordination between the Trump campaign and the Russian government, which the President and others often shorthand using the term collusion. The accusation related to Kilimnik and ties to Russian intelligence, made in Mueller's Tuesday filing, begins to answer that criticism, but so far without actually making the charge in Manafort's case.

Still havent. Havent even come close. Smells frantically desperate to me. At this point, the Trump Deep State conspiracy charge are a more fact based narrative than collusion.

If Manfort and Gates knowingly worked with a GRU agent to gain political assistance then it more than comes close to qualifying as collusion.

If its one thing Mueller hasnt been is frantic or desperate. Quite the contrary.

Yes, and if my aunt had testicles, she'd be my uncle. This one's a reach, even by your standards, then again, it is CNN.

How do you know your aunt doesn’t have testicles? Given your ability to decipher information, she’s most assuredly sporting nads.

come on man, thats it?

Mueller has over charged before and been overturned by courts. He is an ambulance chasing political hack. He should be relegated to whiplash lawsuits since he's a third rate legal mind.

These clown ass leftists really want to believe collusion with Russia. It is so dam hilarious to see them make fools of themselves.

(03-29-2018 07:55 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Mueller has over charged before and been overturned by courts. He is an ambulance chasing political hack. He should be relegated to whiplash lawsuits since he's a third rate legal mind.

Really... a political hack... a 3rd rate legal mind... you’ve got a higher bar set for the independent counsel than you do for the President... though, admittedly, Mueller is twice the person Trump is.

Sounds like to me the damning IG report is about to be released.

(03-29-2018 10:22 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 07:55 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Mueller has over charged before and been overturned by courts. He is an ambulance chasing political hack. He should be relegated to whiplash lawsuits since he's a third rate legal mind.

Really... a political hack... a 3rd rate legal mind... you’ve got a higher bar set for the independent counsel than you do for the President... though, admittedly, Mueller is twice the person Trump is.

So what makes him twice the person of Trump?

(03-29-2018 07:15 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 06:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 06:40 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  ... brick by brick, Robert Mueller continues to build the case for collusion against Gates, Manafort and Donald Trump.

Mueller: Gates, Manafort Trump Russia Collusion

(CNN) — Special counsel Robert Mueller's team last year made clear it wanted former Trump campaign deputy Rick Gates' help, not so much against his former business partner Paul Manafort, but with its central mission: investigating the Trump campaign's contact with the Russians. New information disclosed in court filings and to CNN this week begin to show how they're getting it.

In a court filing earlier this week, the public saw the first signs of how the Mueller team plans to use information from Gates to tie Manafort, the former Trump campaign chairman, directly to a Russian intelligence agency. Mueller's team alleges that Gates was in contact with a close colleague of Manafort's who worked for a Russian intelligence agency -- and that Gates knew of the spy service ties in September and October 2016, while he worked on the Trump campaign. Gates would have to talk about the communication with the man if prosecutors wanted, according to his plea deal.

The alleged Russian intelligence agent, referred to as "Person A" in the court filing, appears to be Konstantin Kilimnik, a former employee who worked with Manafort's firm and lived in Kiev and Moscow, according to sources familiar with the investigation. In December, the Mueller prosecutors made a similar unnamed reference to Kilimnik, saying he is "assessed to have ties to a Russian intelligence service." That was related to a Kiev newspaper op-ed that Kilimnik helped edit in consultation with Manafort late last year, which prosecutors said could violate a court-imposed gag order on Manafort.

A chief criticism from President Donald Trump and his defenders has been that the charges brought so far by the special counsel don't relate directly to Mueller's central mission investigating possible illegal coordination between the Trump campaign and the Russian government, which the President and others often shorthand using the term collusion. The accusation related to Kilimnik and ties to Russian intelligence, made in Mueller's Tuesday filing, begins to answer that criticism, but so far without actually making the charge in Manafort's case.

Still havent. Havent even come close. Smells frantically desperate to me. At this point, the Trump Deep State conspiracy charge are a more fact based narrative than collusion.

If Manfort and Gates knowingly worked with a GRU agent to gain political assistance then it more than comes close to qualifying as collusion.

If its one thing Mueller hasnt been is frantic or desperate. Quite the contrary.

Yes it would be. But the House committee has already said no US citizen "knowingly" conspired and Muellers own indictments said no US citizens "knowingly" conspired. You can want it to be true all you like--but the only collusion with a foriegn power was done by the democrats. Interestingly---despite admitting collusion with Ukraine, no Democrat Party officials have been indicted for that collusion. Do you know why? Its not illegal to obtain and report information about candidates for president in the US. If it were, every reporter with foriegn sources would be in jail.

The House Investigation was a political sham meant to provide cover for the President. If Mueller comes to the same conclusion then Ill accept it.

(03-30-2018 07:34 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The House Investigation was a political sham meant to provide cover for the President. If Mueller comes to the same conclusion then Ill accept it.

Will you really?

(03-30-2018 07:34 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The House Investigation was a political sham meant to provide cover for the President. If Mueller comes to the same conclusion then Ill accept it.

The Mueller investigation is a sham instigated by those attempting a coup against the President of the US. I'll trust the conclusion of the House.

(03-30-2018 07:41 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 07:34 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The House Investigation was a political sham meant to provide cover for the President. If Mueller comes to the same conclusion then Ill accept it.

Will you really?

Sure I will because its largely been apolitical and exhaustive.

(03-30-2018 08:00 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 07:41 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 07:34 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The House Investigation was a political sham meant to provide cover for the President. If Mueller comes to the same conclusion then Ill accept it.

Will you really?

Sure I will because its largely been apolitical and exhaustive.

Im' not sure how many APOLITICAL investigations I've seen where the investigators themselves are implicated in a damning IG report.