(03-24-2018 11:37 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-24-2018 07:40 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-24-2018 06:12 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(03-24-2018 09:08 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-24-2018 07:55 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Why do you have to Google it?

You act like they play in the SoCon or something.

Seriously? I think most folks would have to google it? Most bb fans likely would have to google both the MVC and the SoCon to see which schools are members. Out East, Loyola isnt exactly a household name. No disrespect tp any of those schools or conferences.

Hail cuseroc!

If by "most folks" you mean the casual college basketball fans, maybe. But for those with even a moderate or real interest in college basketball, I have to disagree.

MVC has members with a decent history in college basketball, including some memorable tournament runs (though not all of these were done as MVC members) such as Missouri State, Southern Illinois, Bradley, and Northern Iowa. Until recently they also were the home for Wichita State and Creighton, so it is likely the casual fan probably knows this league slightly more so than the SoCon (no disrespect for the SoCon intended).

Those are my thoughts on this particular topic within this thread.

Cheers,
Neil

Im standing by my original post. Most folks, whether they are casual college bb fans or more than moderate, like myself, would have to google the MVC and SoCon to find who the teams are that makeup these conferences,

Me too, LOL. I know for a fact that (a) I've been following college basketball closely for 45 years, and (b) I most definitely couldn't have named two members of the MVC or SoCon before this thread started, and i had no idea that LoC was in the MVC.

So, it looks like we have a Georgetown fan and a Syracuse fan agreeing on something related to basketball. You know we must be right. Usually, we would disagree just on principle.

If you couldn’t name 2 members in a league ranked 8th and sending 2 F4 programs in 5 years and 5 S16 programs in 12 and equate it to the SoCon or a D2 conference, you’re probably not a “more than moderate” college hoops fan.

Just from this decade:
Northern Iowa S16 beating #1 overall Kansas
Wichita Final Four Four run, #1 seed, S16
Loyola Final Four run

Plus:
Wichita/N Iowa was a college gameday, top 10 matchup to cap regular season
N Iowa won games in 2 other years, one followed by a loss that was the biggest collapse in MM history

If Wichita doesn’t count, surely you’d know of Northern Iowa, who was on an SI cover when they upset #1 Kansas.

(03-25-2018 09:54 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  If you couldn’t name 2 members in a league ranked 8th and sending 2 F4 programs in 5 years and 5 S16 programs in 12 and equate it to the SoCon or a D2 conference, you’re probably not a “more than moderate” college hoops fan.

Just from this decade:
Northern Iowa S16 beating #1 overall Kansas
Wichita Final Four Four run, #1 seed, S16
Loyola Final Four run

Plus:
Wichita/N Iowa was a college gameday, top 10 matchup to cap regular season
N Iowa won games in 2 other years, one followed by a loss that was the biggest collapse in MM history

If Wichita doesn’t count, surely you’d know of Northern Iowa, who was on an SI cover when they upset #1 Kansas.

As I said, I didnt mean to offend. I have heard of Wichita St and knew they came from the MVC. I have heard of N Iowa but I didnt know which conference they played in. Unfortunately, with real life, I dont have the required time to watch every gameday coverage. Wichita upset Syracuse about 8 to 10 years ago in a regular season game. Thats when I took note of them. I can tell you every team in every P5 conference plus the American, and the the BE, and probably the MAC. A casual bb fan couldnt do that. The MVC is just not high profile enough that most "moderate" bb fans would know the teams in the MVC.

And I didnt equate the MVC with the SoCon. I said I dont the membershop of either conference.

Understandable, however every team in the Valley has been an at-large candidate in recent years. If you were a random person on the street I'd understand more but you're a moderator on a college sports message board. Not that you should know everything about college sports or even college football which I'm sure you watch most but it would seem you'd have a casual interest in at least college basketball and know of what the Valley has done in recent decades.

(03-25-2018 09:54 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  If you couldn’t name 2 members in a league ranked 8th and sending 2 F4 programs in 5 years and 5 S16 programs in 12 and equate it to the SoCon or a D2 conference, you’re probably not a “more than moderate” college hoops fan.

Just from this decade:
Northern Iowa S16 beating #1 overall Kansas
Wichita Final Four Four run, #1 seed, S16

I am aware of Wichita State as an outstanding program, and of Northern Iowa's run when they beat Kansas.

But I never associated them with the MVC. That's the issue. Like I said before, everyone knew the Larry Johnson/Stacy Augmon UNLV powerhouses of the turn of the 90s. But probably few knew their conference.

It's not my fault that the MVC just has a very low overall brand profile. Based on your list of their relatively recent tournament accomplishments, they deserve to be better known by the national college fan base. But what you deserve and what you get aren't always the same.

Are you not familiar with their 2006 year when they put 4 and nearly 6 teams in the field?

(03-25-2018 12:35 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Are you not familiar with their 2006 year when they put 4 and nearly 6 teams in the field?

Why of course ... I think every college hoops fan who has been following the game like I have since 1973 never goes a day without thinking about the year 2006, when the MVC put 4 (almost 6!) teams in the draw.

In fact, I was thinking about my steak dinner this evening and then dessert with my wife, and that thought was obliterated when the memory of the MVC/2006 came crashing through my brain yet again.

Oh stop it with the sarcasm, anyone whose followed college basketball over the last 15 years knows full well about the Missouri Valley and every team in it except for maybe Evansville. I guess I can cut you some slack on Loyola since they were a less than glamorous team in the Horizon (might as well be the Summit or OVC to the ignorant) and just moved to the Valley.

Everyone else, except Illinois Stateams and Missouri State, controversial NCAA Tournament snubs a couple times, has either moved on to better conferences or caused serious havoc in the NCAA Tournament, if not both. I'd even cut you some slack for Valparaiso since they just moved in as well.

(03-25-2018 02:23 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Oh stop it with the sarcasm, anyone whose followed college basketball over the last 15 years knows full well about the Missouri Valley ....

Nope. MVC might as well be the SoCon to most.

(03-24-2018 09:48 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  And there have been some of you this year saying that the Big 12 was overrated in basketball. Yeah right.

Suddenly, three of the four Final 4 spots are taken, and the Big 12 and ACC are still frozen out.

If Duke beats Kansas, the Big 12 will go from being Sweet 16 heroes to Elite 8 duds.

(03-23-2018 11:59 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Boring day today. All the higher seeds outside of Texas Tech won. I hate 1-2 Regional Finals.

#1 Kansas beats #2 Duke 85 - 81 in overtime.

Game was just what we thought it would be: Knock down, drag out, back and forth slugging by two heavyweights loaded with NBA prospects in front of a raucous arena and not decided until the 45th minute. My wife, who couldn't care less about college hoops but watched it with me for solidarity, ended up rooting for Duke, admitted she was on pins and needles the entire second half, and was yelling in despair at the screen the last two minutes of OT.

What's to like about that?

(03-25-2018 04:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 02:23 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Oh stop it with the sarcasm, anyone whose followed college basketball over the last 15 years knows full well about the Missouri Valley ....

Nope. MVC might as well be the SoCon to most.

Or at least to so-called AAC fans who sound more like so-called P5 homers. You're a Georgetown fan so I guess you lean toward that more than USF.

If you think the MVC is similar to the the SoCon, you're not worth having a conversation with. Aside from Stephen Curry, now a decade ago, when's the last time they sent a team to the Sweet 16, Chattanooga?

(03-25-2018 06:42 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 04:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 02:23 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Oh stop it with the sarcasm, anyone whose followed college basketball over the last 15 years knows full well about the Missouri Valley ....

Nope. MVC might as well be the SoCon to most.

Or at least to so-called AAC fans who sound more like so-called P5 homers. You're a Georgetown fan so I guess you lean toward that more than USF.

If you think the MVC is similar to the the SoCon, you're not worth having a conversation with. Aside from Stephen Curry, now a decade ago, when's the last time they sent a team to the Sweet 16, Chattanooga.

You keep missing the point: Everyone agrees that in terms of quality and results on the court, the MVC has it all over the SoCon.

The issue is conference identity awareness in the collective mind of the typical college hoops fan. And on that point, they are similarly obscure, even if it offends your sense of justice.

(03-25-2018 04:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-24-2018 09:48 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  And there have been some of you this year saying that the Big 12 was overrated in basketball. Yeah right.

Suddenly, three of the four Final 4 spots are taken, and the Big 12 and ACC are still frozen out.

If Duke beats Kansas, the Big 12 will go from being Sweet 16 heroes to Elite 8 duds.

And how did that work out?

The officials tried their best to rob Duke throughout overtime and I'm usually the last to comment on shoddy officiating.

(03-25-2018 06:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 06:42 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 04:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 02:23 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Oh stop it with the sarcasm, anyone whose followed college basketball over the last 15 years knows full well about the Missouri Valley ....

Nope. MVC might as well be the SoCon to most.

Or at least to so-called AAC fans who sound more like so-called P5 homers. You're a Georgetown fan so I guess you lean toward that more than USF.

If you think the MVC is similar to the the SoCon, you're not worth having a conversation with. Aside from Stephen Curry, now a decade ago, when's the last time they sent a team to the Sweet 16, Chattanooga.

You keep missing the point: Everyone agrees that in terms of quality and results on the court, the MVC has it all over the SoCon.

The issue is conference identity awareness in the collective mind of the typical college hoops fan. And on that point, they are similarly obscure, even if it offends your sense of justice.

You're wrong. Just because you see it that way, doesn't mean everyone or even the majority see it that way. Again, anyone who has even a casual awareness of college basketball knows about the Valley and what the teams, both members now and of recent vintage, have done. Their title game is even on basic TV and not cable.

Not that what I'm saying really matters, as you have your mind made up which is fine. But you don't speak for everyone, so don't go off saying most people feel like you.

(03-25-2018 07:03 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 06:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 06:42 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 04:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 02:23 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Oh stop it with the sarcasm, anyone whose followed college basketball over the last 15 years knows full well about the Missouri Valley ....

Nope. MVC might as well be the SoCon to most.

Or at least to so-called AAC fans who sound more like so-called P5 homers. You're a Georgetown fan so I guess you lean toward that more than USF.

If you think the MVC is similar to the the SoCon, you're not worth having a conversation with. Aside from Stephen Curry, now a decade ago, when's the last time they sent a team to the Sweet 16, Chattanooga.

You keep missing the point: Everyone agrees that in terms of quality and results on the court, the MVC has it all over the SoCon.

The issue is conference identity awareness in the collective mind of the typical college hoops fan. And on that point, they are similarly obscure, even if it offends your sense of justice.

You're wrong. Just because you see it that way, doesn't mean everyone or even the majority see it that way. Again, anyone who has even a casual awareness of college basketball knows about the Valley and what the teams, both members now and of recent vintage, have done. Their title game is even on basic TV and not cable.

Not that what I'm saying really matters, as you have your mind made up which is fine. But you don't speak for everyone, so don't go off saying most people feel like you.

LOL, you ended your post by telling him that he doesnt speak for everyone and for him not to act like most people feel the way he does. This after you said anyone who has a casual awareness of college basketball knows about the Valley and its new teams and former teams. LOL WRONG! You may feel that way but most folks dont

Casual fans cant tell you anything about that league unless they root for a team in that league ot reside in an area with a team from that league.

Each game consists of the announcers talking about the leagues the teams come from. This is particularly true of the MVC who’s had a good amount of Final Four and S16 Cinderella runs over the last 12 years and taken part in notable March Madness games (knocking off a #1 overall seed, biggest choke in MM history, etc). Like mentioned, MVC title game is on CBS and was the 6th highest rated conference title game this year.

You’d have to be watching games with the mute button to not have heard of 2 teams in the league.

(03-25-2018 12:18 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Understandable, however every team in the Valley has been an at-large candidate in recent years. If you were a random person on the street I'd understand more but you're a moderator on a college sports message board. Not that you should know everything about college sports or even college football which I'm sure you watch most but it would seem you'd have a casual interest in at least college basketball and know of what the Valley has done in recent decades.

Oh, so because Im a mod on this board, you expect me to know all the bb teams in every conference? Get outta here with that nonsense. The MVC is just not a high profile conference.

A bunch of my buddies just took one of our friends, who is getting married in a couple weeks, out to eat. It was 13 of us at the table. When we were watching the tourney at the sports grill I asked them which was their favorite MVC team. Only 3 of them had even heard of the MVC. None of them could name a single team from the league. There was one Duke fan, one Georgetown fan, (the guy getting married) and one Michigan fan. The rest were Syracuse fans. They did know of Wichita and Loyola and Northern IOWA. We are all rooting for Loyola to win it all.

Casual fans know about the Valley. Maybe not all about the Valley, they don't know about Evansville or Valparaiso outside what they did 20 years ago but they know about the Valley. Maybe not all casual fans but to suggest they there's basically no casual knowledge is ridiculous.

Wichita State was a big time program the last 5 years.

Northern Iowa ruined a number of office pools over the years, you know those things lots of casual fans fill out this time of year? Billy Packer once tiraded over the Valley.