Seemed to be the conclusion of Calkins and John Martin after Penny said that he would have to first talk to Bowen about a Larry Brown hire. Why the hell is Bowen trying to block this if true? Is Brown, at 78, going to be anything more than an Xs and Os assistant coach? If not, why would Bowen not allow Penny to make this hire?

Larry Brown's history of NCAA compliance issues.

Yep...Bowen stands in the way. Why didn’t he stand in the way of Tubby when Keelon got canned

(03-21-2018 10:06 AM)MemphisNate Wrote:  Larry Brown's history of NCAA compliance issues.

Brown going on the road recruiting, sitting in gyms, or does he just want to teach basketball?

Nothing wrong with moving very cautiously with a guy like Larry Brown. You should have learned the NCAA feasts on programs like ours who employ guys like Brown.

(03-21-2018 10:08 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:06 AM)MemphisNate Wrote:  Larry Brown's history of NCAA compliance issues.

Brown going on the road recruiting, sitting in gyms, or does he just want to teach basketball?

Teach basketball. Penny should tell that to Bowen. He’s 78 years old he’s not going out there on the trail

Brown is 3 for 3 on getting schools on probation. So yea, I can see why an AD might have an issue.

(03-21-2018 10:12 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:08 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:06 AM)MemphisNate Wrote:  Larry Brown's history of NCAA compliance issues.

Brown going on the road recruiting, sitting in gyms, or does he just want to teach basketball?

Teach basketball. Penny should tell that to Bowen. He’s 78 years old he’s not going out there on the trail

It doesn't sound like Brown will be recruiting. He's not the head coach and doesn't direct the program. Sounds like this will be a pure teaching position. Plus Penny has a great relationship with him and he wants Brown on staff. If Bowen had his way Tubby would still be our coach. I hope he stands aside once again on this and allows Penny to pick his own staff.

Penny could have meant that Larry Brown might cost more in salary than Bowen budgets for.

Larry Brown wouldn’t be in charge of anything we could get in trouble about. I’m sure Brown won’t be recruiting with envelopes of cash or calling in boosters to give no-show jobs to players.

But Brown can show Penny tricks like he did with Cal.

(03-21-2018 10:22 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:12 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:08 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:06 AM)MemphisNate Wrote:  Larry Brown's history of NCAA compliance issues.

Brown going on the road recruiting, sitting in gyms, or does he just want to teach basketball?

Teach basketball. Penny should tell that to Bowen. He’s 78 years old he’s not going out there on the trail

It doesn't sound like Brown will be recruiting. He's not the hhead coach. Sounds like this will be a pure teaching position. Plus Penny has a great relationship with him and he wants Brown on staff. If Bowen had his way Tubby would still be our coach. I hope he stands aside once again on this and allow Penny to pick his own staff.

If you have information that is verifiable please share it with us. Otherwise please stop the BS talk.

(03-21-2018 10:15 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Brown is 3 for 3 on getting schools on probation. So yea, I can see why an AD might have an issue.

He wouldn't be the head coach though. If Penny wants him he should get him.

It's not a good way to start if you are blocking a hire with your new coach. Next step will be controlling the schedule which Bowen did with Pastner and Tubby. If Penny wants to play some big name teams home and home and Bowen schedules Albany or IUPUI because we don't have to return a game it's not going to be good.

I think we've heard that Bowen wanted to give Tubby three years but you're right its not "verified." Also heardthat Bowen told Lawson he be kept as an assistant by Tubby. Also "unverified." Believe both stories since its come from so many different people - but again, it might just be an echo chamber .

(03-21-2018 10:31 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I think we've heard that Bowen wanted to give Tubby three years but you're right its not "verified." Also heardthat Bowen told Lawson he be kept as an assistant by Tubby. Also "unverified." Believe both stories since its come from so many different people - but again, it might just be an echo chamber .

Everyone talks about Tubby Smith not understanding Tiger basketball, but does Tom Bowen? In working to build football, does he underappreciate basketball?

(03-21-2018 10:27 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:15 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Brown is 3 for 3 on getting schools on probation. So yea, I can see why an AD might have an issue.

He wouldn't be the head coach though. If Penny wants him he should get him.

It's not a good way to start if you are blocking a hire with your new coach. Next step will be controlling the schedule which Bowen did with Pastner and Tubby. If Penny wants to play some big name teams home and home and Bowen schedules Albany or IUPUI because we don't have to return a game it's not going to be good.

In today's FBI/NCAA culture, I would take a long pause before having Larry Brown on the payroll if I was AD.

The scheduling on the other hand should be mostly in the coach's control.

For the umpteenth time, Bowen is not the “decider” for anything other than budgetary and administrative employee issues for our basketball and football programs. He’s just the messenger.

(03-21-2018 10:27 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:15 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Brown is 3 for 3 on getting schools on probation. So yea, I can see why an AD might have an issue.

He wouldn't be the head coach though. If Penny wants him he should get him.

It's not a good way to start if you are blocking a hire with your new coach. Next step will be controlling the schedule which Bowen did with Pastner and Tubby. If Penny wants to play some big name teams home and home and Bowen schedules Albany or IUPUI because we don't have to return a game it's not going to be good.

Like 99% of AD's, Bowen will 'control' the schedules of the major sports with significant input from the head coach's. Penny knows this. Penny also knows Brown will have to pass a background check to be employed by the University. How can he pass a background check when he is responsible for multiple programs being placed on probation? Time will tell. The President and probably the BOT would have to approve the hire. And Bowens neck is on the line if we go on probation. The claim "Bowen is blocking the Larry Brown hire" is naive and just plain BS.

ADs are being much more careful about this kind of thing given the current climate in college basketball. Plus, Bowen seems to be a conservative dude anyway (see Tubby hire)

(03-21-2018 10:23 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  Penny could have meant that Larry Brown might cost more in salary than Bowen budgets for.

Larry Brown wouldn’t be in charge of anything we could get in trouble about. I’m sure Brown won’t be recruiting with envelopes of cash or calling in boosters to give no-show jobs to players.

But Brown can show Penny tricks like he did with Cal.

I'd be surprised if that's it. Brown has plenty of money he's 78, and hr has nothing to prove. I think he just wants to coach. And he wants to help Penny succeed.

(03-21-2018 10:33 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  Everyone talks about Tubby Smith not understanding Tiger basketball, but does Tom Bowen? In working to build football, does he underappreciate basketball?

I think that's spot on, but in his defense, he was brought in to turn the FB program around, and was probably told that basketball no longer needed to "run the show."

However, there's miles of difference between not running the show and running the program into the ground. He needs to be flexible enough to see the difference.

That said, I don't have an issue withe the Brown pushback. LB comes with a LOT of baggage, and if another thing he's tasked with is running a clean program, he is probably telling Rudd & others that we need to at least not start off the Penny era with this kind of a red flag.

Who spoke first at the press conference announcing Penny's hire? Rudd. Like 99% of University Presidents, Rudd runs the show.