Sanctions are temporary, the memories will last a lifetime.

I love me some Larry Brown. Get it done, board.

Larry Brown is a hell of a basketball coach. Might be the best in the nation pro or college. So yes, if Penny wants him and he wants to come .... and the answers to both of those seem to be a yes, so yes, I also want him here. Plus I want to avoid a repeat the Josh Pastner experience at all costs. A repeat of the John Calipari experience would be fine.

(03-21-2018 01:34 PM)TonyDaTiger Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:03 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Seemed to be the conclusion of Calkins and John Martin after Penny said that he would have to first talk to Bowen about a Larry Brown hire. Why the hell is Bowen trying to block this if true? Is Brown, at 78, going to be anything more than an Xs and Os assistant coach? If not, why would Bowen not allow Penny to make this hire?

Why the hell you ask? Could be that EVERY SINGLE COLLEGE STOP FOR LARRY BROWN HAS ENDED IN NCAA SANCTIONS.

Just spitballin' though.

He can't go on forever landing everyone on probation.... surely WE WILL BE THE ONES that come out of Larry Brown's employment with no probation

Larry Brown's rule compliance is DUE!

(03-21-2018 01:59 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 01:34 PM)TonyDaTiger Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:03 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Seemed to be the conclusion of Calkins and John Martin after Penny said that he would have to first talk to Bowen about a Larry Brown hire. Why the hell is Bowen trying to block this if true? Is Brown, at 78, going to be anything more than an Xs and Os assistant coach? If not, why would Bowen not allow Penny to make this hire?

Why the hell you ask? Could be that EVERY SINGLE COLLEGE STOP FOR LARRY BROWN HAS ENDED IN NCAA SANCTIONS.

Just spitballin' though.

He can't go on forever landing everyone on probation.... surely WE WILL BE THE ONES that come out of Larry Brown's employment with no probation

Larry Brown's rule compliance is DUE!

I think the real concern with Penny is going to be going against the best of the D1 coaches. Brown can and is willing to help him there. Hope this happens myself.

(03-21-2018 01:30 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 01:28 PM)memphisike Wrote:  My sources tell me Larry will be on Tiger staff because of his knowledge of the ncaa rule book

Can he show someone how to bust a trey?

Trey Lyles and KF3 Sure hit a lot of big 3’s against us from my recollection

(03-21-2018 01:59 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 01:34 PM)TonyDaTiger Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:03 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Seemed to be the conclusion of Calkins and John Martin after Penny said that he would have to first talk to Bowen about a Larry Brown hire. Why the hell is Bowen trying to block this if true? Is Brown, at 78, going to be anything more than an Xs and Os assistant coach? If not, why would Bowen not allow Penny to make this hire?

Why the hell you ask? Could be that EVERY SINGLE COLLEGE STOP FOR LARRY BROWN HAS ENDED IN NCAA SANCTIONS.

Just spitballin' though.

He can't go on forever landing everyone on probation.... surely WE WILL BE THE ONES that come out of Larry Brown's employment with no probation

Larry Brown's rule compliance is DUE!

ok that's funny.

(03-21-2018 02:54 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 01:59 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 01:34 PM)TonyDaTiger Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:03 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Seemed to be the conclusion of Calkins and John Martin after Penny said that he would have to first talk to Bowen about a Larry Brown hire. Why the hell is Bowen trying to block this if true? Is Brown, at 78, going to be anything more than an Xs and Os assistant coach? If not, why would Bowen not allow Penny to make this hire?

Why the hell you ask? Could be that EVERY SINGLE COLLEGE STOP FOR LARRY BROWN HAS ENDED IN NCAA SANCTIONS.

Just spitballin' though.

He can't go on forever landing everyone on probation.... surely WE WILL BE THE ONES that come out of Larry Brown's employment with no probation

Larry Brown's rule compliance is DUE!

ok that's funny.

Yes, yes it is.

(03-21-2018 10:27 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:15 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Brown is 3 for 3 on getting schools on probation. So yea, I can see why an AD might have an issue.

He wouldn't be the head coach though. If Penny wants him he should get him.

It's not a good way to start if you are blocking a hire with your new coach. Next step will be controlling the schedule which Bowen did with Pastner and Tubby. If Penny wants to play some big name teams home and home and Bowen schedules Albany or IUPUI because we don't have to return a game it's not going to be good.

So you actually want a ‘round 3’ with the NCAA Committee on Infractions, huh? lol

(03-21-2018 10:56 AM)Tigx Wrote:  SMU got hammered pretty bad for what in retrospect seems kind of minor - no '16 postseason, loss of 9 scholarships, and Brown suspended 9 games. http://www.espn.com/dallas/mens-college-...team-games

Not to dredge it all up, but Brown hired someone to help Keith Frazier pass a course so that Frazier would be eligible. NCAA alleged this person did the work for Frazier, and then lied about it when questioned - "The student-athlete received fraudulent credit for the course and, as a result, competed while ineligible during his freshman season," the NCAA said."

NCAA admitted Brown did not know about this when he was questioned: "Brown, who met with NCAA officials in late June, did not have knowledge of any violation while it was going on, the organization said. He learned about the violation after it occurred, but he did not promptly report the issue and was not clear about the violation with the NCAA's enforcement staff when he was first interviewed, leading to his punishment."

North Carolina can have no-show courses for 2 decades and avoid punishment. SMU & Brown help one student get eligible, and they get hammered.

Again, seems relatively minor, and IMO should not prevent Penny from hiring Brown. Time will tell. Penny has wanted Brown from the outset.

Re the Kansas violations, they involved our own Vincent Askew:

"After leaving to return to the NBA, NCAA sanctions were levied against Kansas in the 1988–89 season as a result of recruiting violations, for potential transfer Vincent Askew who was provided with money to leave his campus visit to visit his grandmother who was ill. No players on any of Brown's teams were named in the report and Askew did not transfer to Kansas."


I get it, they were violations. But they seem so petty, trivial and minor compared to what went down at Baylor and Penn State and Louisville and North Carolina. And the $100K payments tied to the FBI investigations, with assistant coaches arrested and facing trial.

(03-21-2018 11:33 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 11:24 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:03 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Seemed to be the conclusion of Calkins and John Martin after Penny said that he would have to first talk to Bowen about a Larry Brown hire. Why the hell is Bowen trying to block this if true? Is Brown, at 78, going to be anything more than an Xs and Os assistant coach? If not, why would Bowen not allow Penny to make this hire?

Is this serious?

That Penny wants Brown? He said it himself.

That you actually wrote a post based on those two clowns.

(03-21-2018 10:22 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:12 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:08 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:06 AM)MemphisNate Wrote:  Larry Brown's history of NCAA compliance issues.

Brown going on the road recruiting, sitting in gyms, or does he just want to teach basketball?

Teach basketball. Penny should tell that to Bowen. He’s 78 years old he’s not going out there on the trail

It doesn't sound like Brown will be recruiting. He's not the head coach and doesn't direct the program. Sounds like this will be a pure teaching position. Plus Penny has a great relationship with him and he wants Brown on staff. If Bowen had his way Tubby would still be our coach. I hope he stands aside once again on this and allows Penny to pick his own staff.

So we heard for 2 years that Bowen didn't want to hire Tubby, but was over-ruled by Rudd and Laurie. Now we hear that when Rudd and Laurie wanted to get rid of Tubby, Bowen was the one who wanted to keep him.

I guess we always need a villain.

(03-21-2018 10:22 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:12 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:08 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:06 AM)MemphisNate Wrote:  Larry Brown's history of NCAA compliance issues.

Brown going on the road recruiting, sitting in gyms, or does he just want to teach basketball?

Teach basketball. Penny should tell that to Bowen. He’s 78 years old he’s not going out there on the trail

It doesn't sound like Brown will be recruiting. He's not the head coach and doesn't direct the program. Sounds like this will be a pure teaching position. Plus Penny has a great relationship with him and he wants Brown on staff. If Bowen had his way Tubby would still be our coach. I hope he stands aside once again on this and allows Penny to pick his own staff.

With the limited time periods that coaches can be on the road, it's stupid to have a coach who can't or won't be out recruiting.

When you have enough events going at the same time in an eval period that the head coach needs to charter flights to get to several cities in the same day, you definitely can't afford to have one coach sitting at home.

Not sure it's possible for someone else in a non-coaching position to take an assistant coach's place as a recruiter.

What about assistant to the Head Coach?

Comes with restrictions ... can’t recruit or coach kids. But can assist Penny with game planning, scouting, film, program stuff, etc.

Granted I would like to have him coaching but just throwing that out there

(03-21-2018 10:27 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:15 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Brown is 3 for 3 on getting schools on probation. So yea, I can see why an AD might have an issue.

He wouldn't be the head coach though. If Penny wants him he should get him.

It's not a good way to start if you are blocking a hire with your new coach. Next step will be controlling the schedule which Bowen did with Pastner and Tubby. If Penny wants to play some big name teams home and home and Bowen schedules Albany or IUPUI because we don't have to return a game it's not going to be good.

I hear you and agree to an extent. But there is that pesky FEF contract with 20(?) home games. And it's Bowen's responsibility to make sure we are fulfilling that contract and maximizing our budget.

(03-21-2018 10:56 AM)Tigx Wrote:  SMU got hammered pretty bad for what in retrospect seems kind of minor - no '16 postseason, loss of 9 scholarships, and Brown suspended 9 games. http://www.espn.com/dallas/mens-college-...team-games

Not to dredge it all up, but Brown hired someone to help Keith Frazier pass a course so that Frazier would be eligible. NCAA alleged this person did the work for Frazier, and then lied about it when questioned - "The student-athlete received fraudulent credit for the course and, as a result, competed while ineligible during his freshman season," the NCAA said."

NCAA admitted Brown did not know about this when he was questioned: "Brown, who met with NCAA officials in late June, did not have knowledge of any violation while it was going on, the organization said. He learned about the violation after it occurred, but he did not promptly report the issue and was not clear about the violation with the NCAA's enforcement staff when he was first interviewed, leading to his punishment."

North Carolina can have no-show courses for 2 decades and avoid punishment. SMU & Brown help one student get eligible, and they get hammered.

Again, seems relatively minor, and IMO should not prevent Penny from hiring Brown. Time will tell. Penny has wanted Brown from the outset.

So Brown messed up by not having the "tutor" work for other non-athlete students. The NCAA is whack.

(03-21-2018 01:59 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 01:34 PM)TonyDaTiger Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:03 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Seemed to be the conclusion of Calkins and John Martin after Penny said that he would have to first talk to Bowen about a Larry Brown hire. Why the hell is Bowen trying to block this if true? Is Brown, at 78, going to be anything more than an Xs and Os assistant coach? If not, why would Bowen not allow Penny to make this hire?

Why the hell you ask? Could be that EVERY SINGLE COLLEGE STOP FOR LARRY BROWN HAS ENDED IN NCAA SANCTIONS.

Just spitballin' though.

He can't go on forever landing everyone on probation.... surely WE WILL BE THE ONES that come out of Larry Brown's employment with no probation

Larry Brown's rule compliance is DUE!

Good logic. And since we were the only school that Tubby did not take to the NCAA, we are due.

(03-21-2018 03:23 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:22 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:12 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:08 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:06 AM)MemphisNate Wrote:  Larry Brown's history of NCAA compliance issues.

Brown going on the road recruiting, sitting in gyms, or does he just want to teach basketball?

Teach basketball. Penny should tell that to Bowen. He’s 78 years old he’s not going out there on the trail

It doesn't sound like Brown will be recruiting. He's not the head coach and doesn't direct the program. Sounds like this will be a pure teaching position. Plus Penny has a great relationship with him and he wants Brown on staff. If Bowen had his way Tubby would still be our coach. I hope he stands aside once again on this and allows Penny to pick his own staff.

With the limited time periods that coaches can be on the road, it's stupid to have a coach who can't or won't be out recruiting.

When you have enough events going at the same time in an eval period that the head coach needs to charter flights to get to several cities in the same day, you definitely can't afford to have one coach sitting at home.

Not sure it's possible for someone else in a non-coaching position to take an assistant coach's place as a recruiter.

Robic at UK. He's never been a recruiter. Does he actually do ANY recruiting?

(03-21-2018 03:25 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  What about assistant to the Head Coach?

Comes with restrictions ... can’t recruit or coach kids. But can assist Penny with game planning, scouting, film, program stuff, etc.

Granted I would like to have him coaching but just throwing that out there

What about "intern" like Butch Jones at Bama?

With the current FBI investigations going on with college BB, the NCAA is sitting by waiting to see where it leads, who is compromised, and what do they need to do with any FBI findings. I gotta think they are going to hammer some schools in order to look like they have control of the game. If they can do that without affecting a blue blood they will, they would likely prefer it that way.

There are reasons to be leery of hiring anyone who's left 3 schools on probation. I wouldn't want to subscribe to the all or nothing thinking that Larry Brown is the only guy that can help.

(03-21-2018 11:08 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 11:05 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 11:00 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:33 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:31 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I think we've heard that Bowen wanted to give Tubby three years but you're right its not "verified." Also heardthat Bowen told Lawson he be kept as an assistant by Tubby. Also "unverified." Believe both stories since its come from so many different people - but again, it might just be an echo chamber .

Everyone talks about Tubby Smith not understanding Tiger basketball, but does Tom Bowen? In working to build football, does he underappreciate basketball?

Probably because football drives college athletics and the decisions that will come in the future about how it is shaped. I'd say that 90% of college sports decisions are made with football in mind.

I understand the money in football. But that doesn’t me you have to pretend the passion for Tiger basketball never existed.

I know, just saying why I think it happened.

Unless youre P5 then football will never be a huge money maker for most school's on the outside looking in.