(03-11-2018 03:13 PM)MavUp Wrote:  Appalachian State to me hasn't had a successful transition into FBS and can't really be considered a football school anymore. They have yet to be ranked in the AP Top 25 to my knowledge, no major bowls, they never been in contention for the national championship. App State was the big dog in FCS but now they're measly mutes in FBS just objectively speaking. I don't think anyone takes them seriously as a FBS football program ... they're average at best and lacking the success and domination I'm used to from them.

Lord almighty.

I was a Tarheel fan as a kid because my older brother graduated from there. At this point in life I just concentrate on the hope that App continues to grow and prosper. Hopefully all App's sports programs continue to improve. As far as UNC, and the other NC P5's I would rather see them win than most but I primarily follow and support the Belt at this point in all sports.

Ill-gotten gains.

(03-12-2018 08:27 AM)bigCasu_ Wrote:  

(03-11-2018 03:13 PM)MavUp Wrote:  Appalachian State to me hasn't had a successful transition into FBS and can't really be considered a football school anymore. They have yet to be ranked in the AP Top 25 to my knowledge, no major bowls, they never been in contention for the national championship. App State was the big dog in FCS but now they're measly mutes in FBS just objectively speaking. I don't think anyone takes them seriously as a FBS football program ... they're average at best and lacking the success and domination I'm used to from them.

Lord almighty.

I think he was just trying to push out buttons/see what reaction he could elicit. Nothing more.

(03-12-2018 09:18 AM)SpeedkingATL Wrote:  I was a Tarheel fan as a kid because my older brother graduated from there. At this point in life I just concentrate on the hope that App continues to grow and prosper. Hopefully all App's sports programs continue to improve. As far as UNC, and the other NC P5's I would rather see them win than most but I primarily follow and support the Belt at this point in all sports.

I am a first generation college student so I did not have any huge ties beyond seeing the Prig5's on TV but I do remember going to App football as a kid with my dad as he followed them some. My older sister attended UNC-CHeat and up unto the academic scandal I did not mind seeing them win but now if they never won another game I would not care until they self-impose some sanctions, which is not going to happen I realize. Anytime App plays UNC-CHeat I am cheering on my Apps as much as I can, and that was always the case.

I don't really follow the Prig5 schools beyond what can not be avoided in the local paper and local TV. I don't search it out. I do search out SBC games and try to tune in a bit for as many games as I can to help the ratings for head count per event.

(03-12-2018 12:21 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 08:27 AM)bigCasu_ Wrote:  

(03-11-2018 03:13 PM)MavUp Wrote:  Appalachian State to me hasn't had a successful transition into FBS and can't really be considered a football school anymore. They have yet to be ranked in the AP Top 25 to my knowledge, no major bowls, they never been in contention for the national championship. App State was the big dog in FCS but now they're measly mutes in FBS just objectively speaking. I don't think anyone takes them seriously as a FBS football program ... they're average at best and lacking the success and domination I'm used to from them.

Lord almighty.

I think he was just trying to push out buttons/see what reaction he could elicit. Nothing more.

He did say that he was used to be dominated by App. I don't see why he had to bring the hearing impaired into the discussion, though.

Growing up in Roxboro nc about 30 mins from both schools, my father instilled in me from a young age that you hate all things tarheels and I mean all things. So what better way to hate the tarheels than pull for Duke .

Seems to me its less that we hate all the p5s, mainly just Cheaters Hill, and thats because of their obvious cheating, I actually respect Duke and as I previously mentioned I'm a state fan due to my brother's background, wake is eh, feel like we should replace them in acc

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(03-12-2018 05:50 PM)Check Yosef Wrote:  Seems to me its less that we hate all the p5s, mainly just Cheaters Hill, and thats because of their obvious cheating, I actually respect Duke and as I previously mentioned I'm a state fan due to my brother's background, wake is eh, feel like we should replace them in acc

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As long as the ACC use ACC refs I don't want to be anywhere near that conference. I've seen better officiating by high school refs.

(03-12-2018 06:15 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 05:50 PM)Check Yosef Wrote:  Seems to me its less that we hate all the p5s, mainly just Cheaters Hill, and thats because of their obvious cheating, I actually respect Duke and as I previously mentioned I'm a state fan due to my brother's background, wake is eh, feel like we should replace them in acc

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As long as the ACC use ACC refs I don't want to be anywhere near that conference. I've seen better officiating by high school refs.

The head of referees in the ACC, John Clougherty, was hired by John Swofford, the ACC commissioner and former UNC AD, after being recommended to him by Dean Smith. Let that sink in...

Back in the 60's, the UNC head coach, Frank McGuire, was fired by the university for his involvement in a point shaving scandal and recruiting violations. However, the university allowed for him to chose his successor...his assistant, Dean Smith.

Internal investigation into the AFAM department found that the enrollment in the alleged fake classes in which no participation by the student was required, sometimes phantom professors taught classes, and grades were given based on grades needed to remain eligible, went back 30 years to when Dean was coach and Swofford was AD.

It should also be mentioned that Dean came from Kansas, Roy coached under Dean at UNC before going to Kansas, then coming back to UNC. Have you heard of Devonte Graham? He was committed to App when Capel was coach, but then decommited and was going to transfer to NC State, UNC's rival(Joel Berry would disagree). Capel, a former UNC player, accused NC State of tampering, which may or may not be true, however, release to NC State was not granted and where did Devonte Graham end up? Kansas.

(03-13-2018 08:57 AM)APPrising Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 06:15 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 05:50 PM)Check Yosef Wrote:  Seems to me its less that we hate all the p5s, mainly just Cheaters Hill, and thats because of their obvious cheating, I actually respect Duke and as I previously mentioned I'm a state fan due to my brother's background, wake is eh, feel like we should replace them in acc

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As long as the ACC use ACC refs I don't want to be anywhere near that conference. I've seen better officiating by high school refs.

The head of referees in the ACC, John Clougherty, was hired by John Swofford, the ACC commissioner and former UNC AD, after being recommended to him by Dean Smith. Let that sink in...

Back in the 60's, the UNC head coach, Frank McGuire, was fired by the university for his involvement in a point shaving scandal and recruiting violations. However, the university allowed for him to chose his successor...his assistant, Dean Smith.

Internal investigation into the AFAM department found that the enrollment in the alleged fake classes in which no participation by the student was required, sometimes phantom professors taught classes, and grades were given based on grades needed to remain eligible, went back 30 years to when Dean was coach and Swofford was AD.

It should also be mentioned that Dean came from Kansas, Roy coached under Dean at UNC before going to Kansas, then coming back to UNC. Have you heard of Devonte Graham? He was committed to App when Capel was coach, but then decommited and was going to transfer to NC State, UNC's rival(Joel Berry would disagree). Capel, a former UNC player, accused NC State of tampering, which may or may not be true, however, release to NC State was not granted and where did Devonte Graham end up? Kansas.

I hate to be one that comes to the defense of UNC-CHeat but some of these connections are coming across a bit "tin-foil hat"-ish.

When you say 30 years for the academic scandal do you mean 30 years from 2018 or 30 years that it was happening. I thought this started a bit later than you are suggesting, though I may have my timeline wrong. Either way it was happening for far too long.

If ANY other school in NC takes a hit from the latest investigations and UNC remains unpunished I'm going to go crazy

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There is nothing tin-foil hatish about the academic fraud committed by UNC-CH. It happened and the university threw every other entity available, even an academic program, under the bus to save the men's basketball program. Sad.

(03-13-2018 11:51 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  There is nothing tin-foil hatish about the academic fraud committed by UNC-CH. It happened and the university threw every other entity available, even an academic program, under the bus to save the men's basketball program. Sad.

I am in no way saying the academic scandal is tin-foil hat-ish. Re-read my post.

I do think going from MCGuire to Smith to Kansas to Roy and then bringing Graham into the story is a bit tin-foilish.

People in a small clique like NCAA MBB are going to talk and know each other. That does not make the story that was posted going back over half a century some well thought out plan just to keep Graham off our team.

That is what it felt like when I was reading that post.

UNC-CHeat has done enough to be lambasted and called out and I do so myself, but I feel it does not help our case by coming across as some conspiracy monger.

(03-13-2018 11:22 AM)Check Yosef Wrote:  If ANY other school in NC takes a hit from the latest investigations and UNC remains unpunished I'm going to go crazy

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Watch something happen to us over Carter and nothing happen to the Prig5 schools. I hope I am wrong. The FBI is part of this new thing and that may change the dynamic some.

(03-13-2018 11:51 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  There is nothing tin-foil hatish about the academic fraud committed by UNC-CH. It happened and the university threw every other entity available, even an academic program, under the bus to save the men's basketball program. Sad.

If you look at rules for the NCAA, up until 2014 the NCAA was allowed to say whether or not classes met the standards to keep student athletes eligible. That rule changed in 2014 allowing the schools to decide if the classes were legitimate or not. 2014 is also the year the NCAA started investigating UNC.

(03-13-2018 12:24 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 11:51 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  There is nothing tin-foil hatish about the academic fraud committed by UNC-CH. It happened and the university threw every other entity available, even an academic program, under the bus to save the men's basketball program. Sad.

If you look at rules for the NCAA, up until 2014 the NCAA was allowed to say whether or not classes met the standards to keep student athletes eligible. That rule changed in 2014 allowing the schools to decide if the classes were legitimate or not. 2014 is also the year the NCAA started investigating UNC.

THIS is not tin-foilish if true. I some how missed this until now. Links on where I can read about this a bit more?

Is tin-foilish the correct spelling or tin-foil-ish or tinfoil-ish?

(03-13-2018 12:33 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 12:24 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 11:51 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  There is nothing tin-foil hatish about the academic fraud committed by UNC-CH. It happened and the university threw every other entity available, even an academic program, under the bus to save the men's basketball program. Sad.

If you look at rules for the NCAA, up until 2014 the NCAA was allowed to say whether or not classes met the standards to keep student athletes eligible. That rule changed in 2014 allowing the schools to decide if the classes were legitimate or not. 2014 is also the year the NCAA started investigating UNC.

THIS is not tin-foilish if true. I some how missed this until now. Links on where I can read about this a bit more?

Is tin-foilish the correct spelling or tin-foil-ish or tinfoil-ish?

I'll have to get you the links later. My dad was looking this stuff up the other day and I can't remember what the exact links were. We started looking it up after seeing Florida State had to vacate wins and lost scholarships for having a fake class back in 2011. Essentially doing exactly what UNC did but on a smaller scale.

(03-13-2018 12:23 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 11:22 AM)Check Yosef Wrote:  If ANY other school in NC takes a hit from the latest investigations and UNC remains unpunished I'm going to go crazy

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Watch something happen to us over Carter and nothing happen to the Prig5 schools. I hope I am wrong. The FBI is part of this new thing and that may change the dynamic some.

I don't think we will be hit barring some real success in mbb if it is ncaa(unc) led unless of course we beat unc in football in a couple years then we will have hell to pay and they will make up something if they cant find anything, my guess is they will have to make up an issue as ive seen us drop a decent number of good players for violating policy which makes me more comfortable in the belief we are for the most part quick to punish ourselves or our players and do not condone such practices

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(03-13-2018 12:20 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 11:51 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  There is nothing tin-foil hatish about the academic fraud committed by UNC-CH. It happened and the university threw every other entity available, even an academic program, under the bus to save the men's basketball program. Sad.

I am in no way saying the academic scandal is tin-foil hat-ish. Re-read my post.

I do think going from MCGuire to Smith to Kansas to Roy and then bringing Graham into the story is a bit tin-foilish.

People in a small clique like NCAA MBB are going to talk and know each other. That does not make the story that was posted going back over half a century some well thought out plan just to keep Graham off our team.

That is what it felt like when I was reading that post.

UNC-CHeat has done enough to be lambasted and called out and I do so myself, but I feel it does not help our case by coming across as some conspiracy monger.

I was only disclosing what I believe the factual timeline of events and the affiliations of those involved. You are free to make your own deductions. It is possible I could have inaccurate information (planted by the Russians), but I believe all below to be true.

"It should also be mentioned that Dean came from Kansas, Roy coached under Dean at UNC before going to Kansas, then coming back to UNC. Have you heard of Devonte Graham? He was committed to App when Capel was coach, but then decommitted and was going to transfer to NC State, UNC's rival(Joel Berry would disagree). Capel, a former UNC player, accused NC State of tampering, which may or may not be true, however, release to NC State was not granted and where did Devonte Graham end up? Kansas."