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(03-06-2018 03:47 PM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  So if I new coach comes In he has to play with the past coaches players? Why?

Because the players made an agreement with the school not the coach...

(03-06-2018 03:31 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 02:56 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 02:53 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 02:50 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 02:48 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Still a BS move.

No, its being honest. You say, "listen, we will honor your scholly but we will be recruiting more talented players at your position. Your playing time will be sharply reduced or gone completely. You will be given a fair shot at competing for time but we will also focus on developing our younger players."

That statement is fine as long as if the player decides to stay he is treated fairly and normally the only reason you have that conversation with a player is because you want his scholly for someone else.

It's called being processed. Saban is the master of it at Alabama. You simply just tell the kids "Hey it might be best for you if you want to play to go somewhere else"

As long as the coach is honest with a kid there is nothing wrong with processing players out.

Attitudes like this one is why these kids should get paid.

No...the kids should get paid based on the revenue generated by college football and college basketball. Not bc of some attitude.

BTW, I also think that players should be able to transfer without penalty.

(03-06-2018 04:02 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 03:31 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 02:56 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 02:53 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 02:50 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  No, its being honest. You say, "listen, we will honor your scholly but we will be recruiting more talented players at your position. Your playing time will be sharply reduced or gone completely. You will be given a fair shot at competing for time but we will also focus on developing our younger players."

That statement is fine as long as if the player decides to stay he is treated fairly and normally the only reason you have that conversation with a player is because you want his scholly for someone else.

It's called being processed. Saban is the master of it at Alabama. You simply just tell the kids "Hey it might be best for you if you want to play to go somewhere else"

As long as the coach is honest with a kid there is nothing wrong with processing players out.

Attitudes like this one is why these kids should get paid.

No...the kids should get paid based on the revenue generated by college football and college basketball. Not bc of some attitude.

BTW, I also think that players should be able to transfer without penalty.

The attitude that kids can be thrown away because they are not needed anymore is what I was referring to...If you are not going to be loyal to getting these kids degrees and are going to throw them away when they aren't as good as you thought they would be or you have someone better then yes they should be compensated because it aint about the degree.

And I am against transfer without penalty...If transfer without penalty was a thing we might as well shut the football program down.

Instead of Alabama talking a kid into waiting to enroll hell they will just send him to Memphis to get better and grab him next year.

Hell it is tough to transfer in High School without penalty.

(03-06-2018 03:53 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 03:47 PM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  So if I new coach comes In he has to play with the past coaches players? Why?

Because the players made an agreement with the school not the coach...

That might have been the case 10 or 15 years ago, but that's just not the case anymore.

Yeah the papers they sign is an agreement with the school, but kids today commit to coaches not schools. There are a handful that are going to go to a certain school because that's where they've always wanted to go, but a ton of athletes now choose a school because of the coach.

It's sad, but that is just the reality of college athletics today.

(03-06-2018 04:15 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 03:53 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 03:47 PM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  So if I new coach comes In he has to play with the past coaches players? Why?

Because the players made an agreement with the school not the coach...

That might have been the case 10 or 15 years ago, but that's just not the case anymore.

Yeah the papers they sign is an agreement with the school, but kids today commit to coaches not schools. There are a handful that are going to go to a certain school because that's where they've always wanted to go, but a ton of athletes now choose a school because of the coach.

It's sad, but that is just the reality of college athletics today.

You are right...

But if the player wants to stay after the coach leaves he should be able to. It shouldn't be well Tubby is gone and so are you.

(03-06-2018 04:05 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 04:02 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 03:31 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 02:56 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 02:53 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  That statement is fine as long as if the player decides to stay he is treated fairly and normally the only reason you have that conversation with a player is because you want his scholly for someone else.

It's called being processed. Saban is the master of it at Alabama. You simply just tell the kids "Hey it might be best for you if you want to play to go somewhere else"

As long as the coach is honest with a kid there is nothing wrong with processing players out.

Attitudes like this one is why these kids should get paid.

No...the kids should get paid based on the revenue generated by college football and college basketball. Not bc of some attitude.

BTW, I also think that players should be able to transfer without penalty.

The attitude that kids can be thrown away because they are not needed anymore is what I was referring to...If you are not going to be loyal to getting these kids degrees and are going to throw them away when they aren't as good as you thought they would be or you have someone better then yes they should be compensated because it aint about the degree.

And I am against transfer without penalty...If transfer without penalty was a thing we might as well shut the football program down.

Instead of Alabama talking a kid into waiting to enroll hell they will just send him to Memphis to get better and grab him next year.

Hell it is tough to transfer in High School without penalty.

People leave for better jobs all the time. No reason why college football players shouldnt be able to other than tradition and the NCAA wanting to control the athletes.

(03-06-2018 04:16 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 04:15 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 03:53 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 03:47 PM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  So if I new coach comes In he has to play with the past coaches players? Why?

Because the players made an agreement with the school not the coach...

That might have been the case 10 or 15 years ago, but that's just not the case anymore.

Yeah the papers they sign is an agreement with the school, but kids today commit to coaches not schools. There are a handful that are going to go to a certain school because that's where they've always wanted to go, but a ton of athletes now choose a school because of the coach.

It's sad, but that is just the reality of college athletics today.

You are right...

But if the player wants to stay after the coach leaves he should be able to. It shouldn't be well Tubby is gone and so are you.

Most coaches do that, but they also let the kid know that it would be best if they transfer because A) they don't fit what the new coach wants to do or B) new coach is going to bring in better players.

It's rare that a coach just pulls a scholarship from a kid already on the team. They just strongly suggest they transfer in so many words.

(03-06-2018 05:38 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 04:05 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 04:02 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 03:31 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 02:56 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  It's called being processed. Saban is the master of it at Alabama. You simply just tell the kids "Hey it might be best for you if you want to play to go somewhere else"

As long as the coach is honest with a kid there is nothing wrong with processing players out.

Attitudes like this one is why these kids should get paid.

No...the kids should get paid based on the revenue generated by college football and college basketball. Not bc of some attitude.

BTW, I also think that players should be able to transfer without penalty.

The attitude that kids can be thrown away because they are not needed anymore is what I was referring to...If you are not going to be loyal to getting these kids degrees and are going to throw them away when they aren't as good as you thought they would be or you have someone better then yes they should be compensated because it aint about the degree.

And I am against transfer without penalty...If transfer without penalty was a thing we might as well shut the football program down.

Instead of Alabama talking a kid into waiting to enroll hell they will just send him to Memphis to get better and grab him next year.

Hell it is tough to transfer in High School without penalty.

People leave for better jobs all the time. No reason why college football players shouldnt be able to other than tradition and the NCAA wanting to control the athletes.

It also makes it harder to recruit players from other teams...

(03-06-2018 05:56 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 05:38 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 04:05 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 04:02 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 03:31 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Attitudes like this one is why these kids should get paid.

No...the kids should get paid based on the revenue generated by college football and college basketball. Not bc of some attitude.

BTW, I also think that players should be able to transfer without penalty.

The attitude that kids can be thrown away because they are not needed anymore is what I was referring to...If you are not going to be loyal to getting these kids degrees and are going to throw them away when they aren't as good as you thought they would be or you have someone better then yes they should be compensated because it aint about the degree.

And I am against transfer without penalty...If transfer without penalty was a thing we might as well shut the football program down.

Instead of Alabama talking a kid into waiting to enroll hell they will just send him to Memphis to get better and grab him next year.

Hell it is tough to transfer in High School without penalty.

People leave for better jobs all the time. No reason why college football players shouldnt be able to other than tradition and the NCAA wanting to control the athletes.

It also makes it harder to recruit players from other teams...

So?

Every new coach coming to a program assesses the roster and makes decisions. Rarely are schollies pulled. But there are frequent discussions about not getting playing time, so maybe time to move on. There's nothing dishonorable or dispensable about it. The opposite. You tell the kid that he probably will not get much game time. He can stay and you will live up to the scholly commitment and he will be part of the team. But other players will be ahead of him. You also make a few calls to help him land at the right spot.

I would expect Penny would have 4 open schollies (one open, Vanover, Jones, one transfer) to bring whomever he wants this year without any rotten dealings. Commits are let go with no penalty and they will find landing spots in the late period. The jucos may all want to stick around.

The real question is, can the boosters afford to pay off Tubby, then pay Penny, his staff AND his players. I'm not convinced Penny does a better job if he has the same players, and everyone says all the good players get paid.

(03-06-2018 06:52 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  The real question is, can the boosters afford to pay off Tubby, then pay Penny, his staff AND his players. I'm not convinced Penny does a better job if he has the same players, and everyone says all the good players get paid.

Troll.

Ban this troll.

(03-06-2018 06:54 PM)jamammy Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 06:52 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  The real question is, can the boosters afford to pay off Tubby, then pay Penny, his staff AND his players. I'm not convinced Penny does a better job if he has the same players, and everyone says all the good players get paid.

Troll.

Ban this troll.

You mad, bro?

Another good questions is what’s kids will Penny bring along with him? Who can we expect to get bc Penny is the HC?

(03-06-2018 05:59 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 05:56 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 05:38 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 04:05 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 04:02 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  No...the kids should get paid based on the revenue generated by college football and college basketball. Not bc of some attitude.

BTW, I also think that players should be able to transfer without penalty.

The attitude that kids can be thrown away because they are not needed anymore is what I was referring to...If you are not going to be loyal to getting these kids degrees and are going to throw them away when they aren't as good as you thought they would be or you have someone better then yes they should be compensated because it aint about the degree.

And I am against transfer without penalty...If transfer without penalty was a thing we might as well shut the football program down.

Instead of Alabama talking a kid into waiting to enroll hell they will just send him to Memphis to get better and grab him next year.

Hell it is tough to transfer in High School without penalty.

People leave for better jobs all the time. No reason why college football players shouldnt be able to other than tradition and the NCAA wanting to control the athletes.

It also makes it harder to recruit players from other teams...

So?

Lol...If you want to kill sports allow active players to be recruited to other teams AND allow them to transfer without penalty.

Every pro league has rules against recruiting active players of other teams in that league

(03-06-2018 07:33 PM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  Another good questions is what’s kids will Penny bring along with him? Who can we expect to get bc Penny is the HC?

Harris, Lomax, chandler? Just to name a few. Possibly Jeffries? Also let's not be naive that he can't recruit outside of memphis. ALOT of kids across the country know who he is and thinks he's a rock star. They also know he runs a top 5 national aau program.

(03-06-2018 07:40 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 05:59 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 05:56 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 05:38 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 04:05 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  The attitude that kids can be thrown away because they are not needed anymore is what I was referring to...If you are not going to be loyal to getting these kids degrees and are going to throw them away when they aren't as good as you thought they would be or you have someone better then yes they should be compensated because it aint about the degree.

And I am against transfer without penalty...If transfer without penalty was a thing we might as well shut the football program down.

Instead of Alabama talking a kid into waiting to enroll hell they will just send him to Memphis to get better and grab him next year.

Hell it is tough to transfer in High School without penalty.

People leave for better jobs all the time. No reason why college football players shouldnt be able to other than tradition and the NCAA wanting to control the athletes.

It also makes it harder to recruit players from other teams...

So?

Lol...If you want to kill sports allow active players to be recruited to other teams AND allow them to transfer without penalty.

Every pro league has rules against recruiting active players of other teams in that league

You think that doesnt go on already? It happen with juniors/soon to be seniors every year if they are any good. Hell, Pastner was actively recruiting Markel Crawford last season.

(03-06-2018 07:40 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 05:59 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 05:56 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 05:38 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 04:05 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  The attitude that kids can be thrown away because they are not needed anymore is what I was referring to...If you are not going to be loyal to getting these kids degrees and are going to throw them away when they aren't as good as you thought they would be or you have someone better then yes they should be compensated because it aint about the degree.

And I am against transfer without penalty...If transfer without penalty was a thing we might as well shut the football program down.

Instead of Alabama talking a kid into waiting to enroll hell they will just send him to Memphis to get better and grab him next year.

Hell it is tough to transfer in High School without penalty.

People leave for better jobs all the time. No reason why college football players shouldnt be able to other than tradition and the NCAA wanting to control the athletes.

It also makes it harder to recruit players from other teams...

So?

Lol...If you want to kill sports allow active players to be recruited to other teams AND allow them to transfer without penalty.

Every pro league has rules against recruiting active players of other teams in that league

Every pro leauge? You know we are talking about college right?

(03-06-2018 07:47 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 07:40 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 05:59 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 05:56 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 05:38 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  People leave for better jobs all the time. No reason why college football players shouldnt be able to other than tradition and the NCAA wanting to control the athletes.

It also makes it harder to recruit players from other teams...

So?

Lol...If you want to kill sports allow active players to be recruited to other teams AND allow them to transfer without penalty.

Every pro league has rules against recruiting active players of other teams in that league

You think that doesnt go on already? It happen with juniors/soon to be seniors every year if they are any good. Hell, Pastner was actively recruiting Markel Crawford last season.

After the season is over and he has announced he is transferring...Especially seniors because they don't need a release.

Imagine a world were Bama needed a QB to start last season and Ferguson just had a great season...Bama would just stroll in and take our QB.

You cant have that unless there is some consequence or it will ruin the game.