Stupid should hurt. In the bottom line and in bad press. And now it will.

They get to explain that to their shareholders at the next annual meeting.

(03-02-2018 10:14 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  What kind of discount did Delta give NRA members? If it was significant, then that's not very smart either for NRA members not to have taken advantage of it.

It was 5% with limited availability and through the ai Line versus a 3rd party discount service...so nobody used it. It was much ado about nothing. They slit their throats because of virtue signaling. Idiots.

Wasn't this tax credit for all airlines and not just delta? If so, it seems unfair that lawmakers are punishing businesses that had nothing to do with this.

(03-03-2018 12:18 PM)Niner National Wrote:  Wasn't this tax credit for all airlines and not just delta? If so, it seems unfair that lawmakers are punishing businesses that had nothing to do with this.

It affects those who use Atlanta as a hub the most, since that is where they will be fueling their jets. If the other carriers dont, or infrequently, fuel their jets in atlanta, then it would be little to no consequence for them. Since atlanta is a major hub for delta, practically all of their flights that go thru atlanta would be refueled there and be subject to the tax. This is the same reason that, when the GA government passed this tax break, it primarily affected only Delta.

(03-03-2018 10:45 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  And just like that.....Atlanta was taken off the list of Amazon prospect HQ cities....and a lot more companies that might be considering Georgia as well.

I'd also like to note that, the GOP Republicans in Georgia largely support laws allowing businesses to make political/religious statements about Gay people without any penalty from the government when its anti-Gay/women political/business decisions. I see that they're now arguing that the government should punish companies for making political/religious statements. I'm glad we cleared up the whole question of whether the government is able to punish businesses for making political/business statements. If Georgia can do this to Delta, then a future Federal Administration can most certainly do this to social work, medical, and educational providers, based upon their discriminatory practices.

I'm fine with the tax break being taken away in this case. It certainly will help our case when we come after discriminatory businesses later on. The tax break also came largely at the expense of a Black majority county, over their objections.

With a new political dynamic possibly just 34 months away on a national level, and just 10 months away in many states, combined with a idiotic court that didn't step in Mississippi over HB1523, it looks like the GOP is going to paint themselves into a rather nasty corner on this one. Only way this could get better is if Delta sues, claiming that it was illegal for Georgia to do what it did and then have the courts uphold the state of Georgia.

BTW, if the Circuit Court covering Georgia, or the US Supreme Court ever rules that RFRA laws are unconstitutional, then Delta still can sue the state of Georgia and get all of their taxbreak money back. Either way, Georgia's Republicans lose on this one.

And on a political level, you guys do realize that the NRA isn't particularly popular. Sure it will get you through a GOP primary, but at some point, this is starting to extract a bigger political price in terms of flipped seats. When Amazon goes somewhere else, regardless of the reason, Cagle and the Georgia GOP will be blamed. And this will drive yet another wedge between the GOPs business wing and the GOP's 4G wing (God, Guns, Gays, and Gynecology).

Whatever personal political benefit Cagle thinks he'll receive from doing this (and he might get one - personally), the net impact is going to be a negative for the RFRA folks.

That statement from Tom that I put in bold up there is EXACTLY what I was referring to. Again, while I sympathize and support the 2A supporters (who are usually conservative), I felt like this was a bad decision. Why? Because the left runs on pure vitriol, hatred, and seethe with revenge at all costs. This will come back to hurt conservatives in the end. It won't justify the left, but in their petty minds... it will.

Maybe I could get upgraded for once on a ATL-LAX flight if all of you are leaving. Hope so.

(03-03-2018 04:01 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Maybe I could get upgraded for once on a ATL-LAX flight if all of you are leaving. Hope so.

Enjoy your crappy Delta flights. Delta and United offer some of the worst customer service for airlines I've ever experienced. They've been sucking down gov't contract money for years, which means guaranteed money and less need to impress.

(03-02-2018 05:47 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  As a GOA member (because the NRA is too soft on gun control), I like that I cashed in all my Delta miles a year ago and flew Southwest last time I did fly. Guess I should write their CEO a letter showing the sum total I've spent with Delta over the years which will be going elsewhere.

I don't know that withholding their corporate welfare can be classified as punishment. I mean its not an entitlement.

They lobbied politicians for favorable treatment. They waded into a controversial political fight in opposition to the politicians they were lobbying. The politicians declined to give them the favorable treatment.

Its like asking your rep to give you a tax break and then doing his wife on the capitol steps right before the vote. Not a great lobbying strategy.

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(03-03-2018 03:58 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 10:45 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  And just like that.....Atlanta was taken off the list of Amazon prospect HQ cities....and a lot more companies that might be considering Georgia as well.

I'd also like to note that, the GOP Republicans in Georgia largely support laws allowing businesses to make political/religious statements about Gay people without any penalty from the government when its anti-Gay/women political/business decisions. I see that they're now arguing that the government should punish companies for making political/religious statements. I'm glad we cleared up the whole question of whether the government is able to punish businesses for making political/business statements. If Georgia can do this to Delta, then a future Federal Administration can most certainly do this to social work, medical, and educational providers, based upon their discriminatory practices.

I'm fine with the tax break being taken away in this case. It certainly will help our case when we come after discriminatory businesses later on. The tax break also came largely at the expense of a Black majority county, over their objections.

With a new political dynamic possibly just 34 months away on a national level, and just 10 months away in many states, combined with a idiotic court that didn't step in Mississippi over HB1523, it looks like the GOP is going to paint themselves into a rather nasty corner on this one. Only way this could get better is if Delta sues, claiming that it was illegal for Georgia to do what it did and then have the courts uphold the state of Georgia.

BTW, if the Circuit Court covering Georgia, or the US Supreme Court ever rules that RFRA laws are unconstitutional, then Delta still can sue the state of Georgia and get all of their taxbreak money back. Either way, Georgia's Republicans lose on this one.

And on a political level, you guys do realize that the NRA isn't particularly popular. Sure it will get you through a GOP primary, but at some point, this is starting to extract a bigger political price in terms of flipped seats. When Amazon goes somewhere else, regardless of the reason, Cagle and the Georgia GOP will be blamed. And this will drive yet another wedge between the GOPs business wing and the GOP's 4G wing (God, Guns, Gays, and Gynecology).

Whatever personal political benefit Cagle thinks he'll receive from doing this (and he might get one - personally), the net impact is going to be a negative for the RFRA folks.

That statement from Tom that I put in bold up there is EXACTLY what I was referring to. Again, while I sympathize and support the 2A supporters (who are usually conservative), I felt like this was a bad decision. Why? Because the left runs on pure vitriol, hatred, and seethe with revenge at all costs. This will come back to hurt conservatives in the end. It won't justify the left, but in their petty minds... it will.

They are the ultimate in self-justification. They need no justification for anything they do. They believe they are virtuous, even if they are atheists, and anybody who doesn't agree with them is evil.

The only risk to the right is unilateral disarmament.

(03-03-2018 12:18 PM)Niner National Wrote:  Wasn't this tax credit for all airlines and not just delta? If so, it seems unfair that lawmakers are punishing businesses that had nothing to do with this.

Delta previously had a tax break that was only for them. Everyone else paid the taxes. In the last couple of years, they took away Delta's special deal. This was an effort to have none of them pay tax, which would benefit Delta overwhelmingly and would give Delta back the break they had before, but not the advantage over other airlines.

(03-03-2018 04:13 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 04:01 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Maybe I could get upgraded for once on a ATL-LAX flight if all of you are leaving. Hope so.

Enjoy your crappy Delta flights. Delta and United offer some of the worst customer service for airlines I've ever experienced. They've been sucking down gov't contract money for years, which means guaranteed money and less need to impress.

Continental was pretty good in their last 10-15 years. United has dragged them down.
Delta wasn't very good, but Northwest was awful. They have moved down to the lowest common denominator in that merger also.

Delta used to be different. It's just another nasty sky bus now.

So sad

(03-03-2018 04:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 12:18 PM)Niner National Wrote:  Wasn't this tax credit for all airlines and not just delta? If so, it seems unfair that lawmakers are punishing businesses that had nothing to do with this.

Delta previously had a tax break that was only for them. Everyone else paid the taxes. In the last couple of years, they took away Delta's special deal. This was an effort to have none of them pay tax, which would benefit Delta overwhelmingly and would give Delta back the break they had before, but not the advantage over other airlines.

Wow, that is shameful that the GA government gave the deal to Delta only in the past.

Actions have consequences.

(03-03-2018 04:55 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 04:13 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 04:01 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Maybe I could get upgraded for once on a ATL-LAX flight if all of you are leaving. Hope so.

Enjoy your crappy Delta flights. Delta and United offer some of the worst customer service for airlines I've ever experienced. They've been sucking down gov't contract money for years, which means guaranteed money and less need to impress.

Continental was pretty good in their last 10-15 years. United has dragged them down.
Delta wasn't very good, but Northwest was awful. They have moved down to the lowest common denominator in that merger also.

when I played in the world of having to travel, it didn't take long to figure out Continental was the only way to fly.....I avoided the rest regardless of cost....

(03-04-2018 11:48 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 04:55 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 04:13 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 04:01 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Maybe I could get upgraded for once on a ATL-LAX flight if all of you are leaving. Hope so.

Enjoy your crappy Delta flights. Delta and United offer some of the worst customer service for airlines I've ever experienced. They've been sucking down gov't contract money for years, which means guaranteed money and less need to impress.

Continental was pretty good in their last 10-15 years. United has dragged them down.
Delta wasn't very good, but Northwest was awful. They have moved down to the lowest common denominator in that merger also.

when I played in the world of having to travel, it didn't take long to figure out Continental was the only way to fly.....I avoided the rest regardless of cost....

Houston means United or Southwest, and I'm far north so Southwest is at the wrong airport to be convenient. Fortunately most of the United people here are Continental holdovers, and some of that culture still remains. I still like it wen the stewardess comes on the intercom with, "Welcome aboard Cont - er - United flight 123. We'd like to extend a special welcome to our OnePass - er - Mileage Plus passengers." Their way of letting us know that the flight will be okay.

(03-04-2018 11:48 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 04:55 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 04:13 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 04:01 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Maybe I could get upgraded for once on a ATL-LAX flight if all of you are leaving. Hope so.

Enjoy your crappy Delta flights. Delta and United offer some of the worst customer service for airlines I've ever experienced. They've been sucking down gov't contract money for years, which means guaranteed money and less need to impress.

Continental was pretty good in their last 10-15 years. United has dragged them down.
Delta wasn't very good, but Northwest was awful. They have moved down to the lowest common denominator in that merger also.

when I played in the world of having to travel, it didn't take long to figure out Continental was the only way to fly.....I avoided the rest regardless of cost....

I like SouthWest. Last trip to Vegas they did not charge our group a penny for cocktails...coming or going. Never even asked for a credit card. Best trip ever.

(03-04-2018 10:57 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Actions have consequences.

Yes they do. And just remember, the GOP in Georgia have firmly established the precedent for penalizing entities for making political/religious statements.

(03-03-2018 04:13 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 04:01 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Maybe I could get upgraded for once on a ATL-LAX flight if all of you are leaving. Hope so.

Enjoy your crappy Delta flights. Delta and United offer some of the worst customer service for airlines I've ever experienced. They've been sucking down gov't contract money for years, which means guaranteed money and less need to impress.

I've not had a bad experience in 9 years with them. Any issues ive had are resolved quickly. Maybe its because i fly out of a smaller airport

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