(03-05-2018 01:29 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-05-2018 11:14 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-05-2018 11:09 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Why are you diluting this with whataboutism?

Just pointing out that it seems that there is a fetish in here for any crime that features a person of color as the perpetrator.

So, what do you think should be the response? I'd argue that some more investigators to look at financial fraud might be in order. And some better research into stolen identity. And of course extraditing the criminal to the USA, where he should sit in prison for a long, long time.

A wall won't stop this. Heck many financial crimes are committed against our government from behind keyboards in Eastern Europe and Africa.

And I'd also like to point out that this isn't evidence of any particular group being criminally inclined any more so than the multiple cases where White people have committed one-off economic fraud against our government reflect upon that larger community.

Once again, a leftist playing fast and loose with 'race'.

Mexicans and Americans are both white.... even when you guys don't want them to be.

I don't see anyone on here (except you) saying that Mexicans are more criminally inclined than Americans.

OF COURSE more Americans commit crimes in and against Americans than foreigners... but the fact that we often can't seem to catch, and certainly it would be difficult to prosecute them BECAUSE they are foreigners is a BIG problem.

Based on your interpretation of the facts (I don't know, but won't dispute you) no... it doesn't seem a wall would have prevented this... BUT it is certainly possible that a physical deterrent like a wall would allow the government to reallocate investigative resources to other such related crimes. If you will recall, it was the 'sending of money to Mexico' that was going to be the source of much of the funding for the wall... so it isn't hard to imagine that verifying expats or whatever in Mexico for their funds would be part of a revamp of the financial 'walls'.

That said, the comment from the left was that illegal aliens can't get benefits. Whether they were here or there is a rabbit trail. If the guy can get them from Mexico, it seems quite obvious that he could have gotten them from here. To think that this is a one-off is ridiculous.

but I'm all for an investigation into the variety of frauds perpetrated against MY taxes.... far more of a concern of mine than people who embezzle from companies I'm not an investor in. Not that I don't care at all, but I'm much more worried about OUR or MY money than I am about 'yours' (as I'm confident you are as well).

XACLY!

you have to start somewhere......

the physical where req'd is fk'n no-brainer....

then you fund all the others as req'd....

it's sad scary how stupid and duped too many have allowed themselves to become.....

(03-05-2018 01:44 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  He might have been living in Mexico but his benefits were being sent to a American address so someone on this side was cashing the check and sending it to him. Or he made the trip each month.

SSI benefits can not be sent out of the US...this is a benefit based on being too poor to live and disabled. Its not the same as working and having enough quarters paid into the system. If you become disabled then...its your choice to live in America or not.


So yes a wall would have stopped this crime...if it was in place before he stole or bought the ID

And a wall isn't going to stop that either. Plenty of Eastern Europeans either work with willing or unwitting accomplices in the USA.

(03-05-2018 03:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-05-2018 01:44 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  He might have been living in Mexico but his benefits were being sent to a American address so someone on this side was cashing the check and sending it to him. Or he made the trip each month.

SSI benefits can not be sent out of the US...this is a benefit based on being too poor to live and disabled. Its not the same as working and having enough quarters paid into the system. If you become disabled then...its your choice to live in America or not.


So yes a wall would have stopped this crime...if it was in place before he stole or bought the ID

And a wall isn't going to stop that either. Plenty of Eastern Europeans either work with willing or unwitting accomplices in the USA.

So how many of those Eastern Europeans are coming through the southern border ?

Has zero to do with this thread and we both know the numbers are not even close.....

stop deflecting

(03-05-2018 03:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-05-2018 01:44 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  He might have been living in Mexico but his benefits were being sent to a American address so someone on this side was cashing the check and sending it to him. Or he made the trip each month.

SSI benefits can not be sent out of the US...this is a benefit based on being too poor to live and disabled. Its not the same as working and having enough quarters paid into the system. If you become disabled then...its your choice to live in America or not.


So yes a wall would have stopped this crime...if it was in place before he stole or bought the ID

And a wall isn't going to stop that either. Plenty of Eastern Europeans either work with willing or unwitting accomplices in the USA.

So what? Do nothing?

We can’t stop all crime, including all fence jumping aliens, so let’s just let em all in and give them benefits? Lock the Eastern Europeans up too if that’s the case.

(03-05-2018 03:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-05-2018 01:44 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  He might have been living in Mexico but his benefits were being sent to a American address so someone on this side was cashing the check and sending it to him. Or he made the trip each month.

SSI benefits can not be sent out of the US...this is a benefit based on being too poor to live and disabled. Its not the same as working and having enough quarters paid into the system. If you become disabled then...its your choice to live in America or not.


So yes a wall would have stopped this crime...if it was in place before he stole or bought the ID

And a wall isn't going to stop that either. Plenty of Eastern Europeans either work with willing or unwitting accomplices in the USA.

Um, yes it probably would have Tom. Have you ever applied for disability? You don't just check a box and get a check. SURE, it can also be done with numerous accomplices, but if they're here in the US then we can lock them up/deport them....

and you're the only person that seems to care where they come from. I seriously doubt that (as an example) a doctor is going to put his license on the line to get this guy in Mexico disability benefits unless he's getting part of the pie... so lock him up too.

You can't unwittingly diagnose someone with a disability in your US office. You either have to do it without seeing him (in which case you're willingly complicit) OR you have to physically see him in which case you might be unwitting, but a wall might have stopped that from happening.

We need to get out of this 1960's mentality... where the left's habit of calling cuts on Medicare fraud and welfare fraud and immigration fraud and voter fraud to be all based on race 'works' (to the left anyway) when the CLEAR common denominator is 'fraud' not race. It's the LEFT implying that most fraud is committed by minorities. Tom, you even do that here where you admit that this guy had European accomplices.

Can you show me where nobody from the right wants that guy arrested/deported etc as appropriate?

I watched the Great Dictator with Charlie Chaplin the other day and at the end of the movie he talked about how he wished there were countrys without borders. It's not surprising knowing that he was a communist sympathizer even in 1940 when the movie was made. I wonder how he would view todays Europe, how has that experiment turned out?

Guns - we have to do something.

Illegal Immigration - why bother? It won't do anything.