(03-01-2018 04:17 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  It’s amazing that we have 6 pages of posts on a game against USF that won’t tip until 8:00.

I have 2

lol And we have to win the next game....

or we can't even be like the Tennessee fans.

(03-01-2018 04:51 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 04:17 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  It’s amazing that we have 6 pages of posts on a game against USF that won’t tip until 8:00.

I have 2

Your post started my 4th...

If I put too many on one page, the music videos won't load.

Go team.

Win these last two 'games' get to 20-11 on a 6 game roll.

Win at least 2 in the AAC tournament.(This is why I'd actually prefer the 5 seed - pick up another easy win in the 5-12 opening round game.)

Go to the NIT? I think?

(03-01-2018 05:01 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  Go team.

Win these last two 'games' get to 20-11 on a 6 game roll.

Win at least 2 in the AAC tournament.(This is why I'd actually prefer the 5 seed - pick up another easy win in the 5-12 opening round game.)

Go to the NIT? I think?

Sounds like the plan to me.

(03-01-2018 04:27 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 04:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Wins & losses are never a "by-product".

They are very much dependent on the talent one faces. BUT they are also dependent on the quality of the team trying to get the wins.

(03-01-2018 04:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  They are the end all metric that is then compared via RPI, SOS etc. unless a school wins it's conference tourney.

No they aren't. The NCAA just doesn't take the top "at large" teams with the most wins. Therefore wins, standing alone, aren't the "end all metric." Period.

(03-01-2018 04:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Memphis has no ability to change its in-conference schedule but it can improve its OOC & thereby improve it's "metrics".

Again, FALSE. While Memphis cannot change the conference schedule, the team can still have better metrics by winning the games on the schedule. Don't get run out of the gym by a crappy UAB team. Don't lose to bubble teams like Bama and Louisville. Don't lose at home by double digits to the 11th best team in the SEC. But that requires better talent, not better scheduling. Win those same games and "metrics" improve. Thank god the OOC schedule wasn't tougher.

(03-01-2018 04:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  We weren't considering 13-14 but you slid it in to make a point.

I just used last 5 years. If you don't want to use it, nothing really changes.

(03-01-2018 04:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Memphis isn't in the Sunbelt so it too is not relevant but you continue to divert to attempt to gain some debate advantage.

No, I use the example to rebut the silly notion of yours that (as you reference above) "wins are the end all." I simply pointed out that most sensible people would agree that going 7-3 in the AAC is better than going 9-1 in the Sunbelt, even though the "end all" of wins favors team playing Sunbelt foes.

(03-01-2018 04:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  It is that weak OOC that discourages attendance, results in lower seeds (even when Memphis wins 24 games) - and keeps Memphis teams out of tourney consideration with 21 wins.

Again, FALSE. WINNING is what brings boys to the yard. If Memphis started out 10-0 and had just beaten Louisville, the FEF would have had 15k+ vs. Siena. Nothing to do with the OOC opponent. Hell, only 7k showed up for Wichita State.

(03-01-2018 04:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Look no further than Temple in the AAC (I don't have to go to another conference), who with even 18 wins has great "metrics" to make the tourney & is a virtual shoe-end with 19-20 wins - all because they beat some Quad 1 schools OOC.

Temple isn't CLOSE to any bubble. You just spent too much time listening to ESPN b-team announcers who have time to kill.

(03-01-2018 04:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  The tourney committee has shown over & over, year after year, that it is good wins that get bids & seeding - and we know from CUSA days if you aren't playing a good number of quality teams you have very little margin to p/u good wins.

Memphis was a 2 seed in 2008-09 by having two top 50 rpi/kenpom wins. TWO. (They lost to Xavier, Georgetown, and Syracuse that year). The bigger deal was they took care of business the rest of the way vs. chumps.

SMH......you are so stuck on stats, debate & hate for Tubby (your words) you can't see that stats are only an indication of performance. And stats can be used to twist any argument - the twisting of which you are a master. But for your edification, Memphis got that 2008 2nd seed because of their SOS & WINS - even Calipari said he had to schedule tougher OOC to get a break on bids & seeding with the depletion of CUSA. Check the Memphis RPI & SOS in 2008 as a result of playing Xavier, Georgetown & Syracuse since you love stats. Also since you are so stat focused, check those of Temple this year, 3 Q1 wins, 5 Q2 wins, RPI 41 - no schools with those "stats" has been left out since the NCAA went to 68 bids (I didn't say Temple would even make the field but based upon stats, they should if they get a couple of wins the rest of the way). Heck you should be one campaigning for Temple since you are so focused on stats. Memphis also drew almost 10K for its one P-5 OOC home game this season - and that while the students weren't in school - which is over 3500 more on avg than for its other OOC games. Seems to me it makes a difference who we play - even when we aren't winning. And BTW, I don't watch ESPN unless Memphis is playing. But you keep paying those stat subscriptions & dreaming up other ways to criticize Tubby.

(03-01-2018 05:13 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 04:27 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 04:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Wins & losses are never a "by-product".

They are very much dependent on the talent one faces. BUT they are also dependent on the quality of the team trying to get the wins.

(03-01-2018 04:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  They are the end all metric that is then compared via RPI, SOS etc. unless a school wins it's conference tourney.

No they aren't. The NCAA just doesn't take the top "at large" teams with the most wins. Therefore wins, standing alone, aren't the "end all metric." Period.

(03-01-2018 04:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Memphis has no ability to change its in-conference schedule but it can improve its OOC & thereby improve it's "metrics".

Again, FALSE. While Memphis cannot change the conference schedule, the team can still have better metrics by winning the games on the schedule. Don't get run out of the gym by a crappy UAB team. Don't lose to bubble teams like Bama and Louisville. Don't lose at home by double digits to the 11th best team in the SEC. But that requires better talent, not better scheduling. Win those same games and "metrics" improve. Thank god the OOC schedule wasn't tougher.

(03-01-2018 04:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  We weren't considering 13-14 but you slid it in to make a point.

I just used last 5 years. If you don't want to use it, nothing really changes.

(03-01-2018 04:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Memphis isn't in the Sunbelt so it too is not relevant but you continue to divert to attempt to gain some debate advantage.

No, I use the example to rebut the silly notion of yours that (as you reference above) "wins are the end all." I simply pointed out that most sensible people would agree that going 7-3 in the AAC is better than going 9-1 in the Sunbelt, even though the "end all" of wins favors team playing Sunbelt foes.

(03-01-2018 04:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  It is that weak OOC that discourages attendance, results in lower seeds (even when Memphis wins 24 games) - and keeps Memphis teams out of tourney consideration with 21 wins.

Again, FALSE. WINNING is what brings boys to the yard. If Memphis started out 10-0 and had just beaten Louisville, the FEF would have had 15k+ vs. Siena. Nothing to do with the OOC opponent. Hell, only 7k showed up for Wichita State.

(03-01-2018 04:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Look no further than Temple in the AAC (I don't have to go to another conference), who with even 18 wins has great "metrics" to make the tourney & is a virtual shoe-end with 19-20 wins - all because they beat some Quad 1 schools OOC.

Temple isn't CLOSE to any bubble. You just spent too much time listening to ESPN b-team announcers who have time to kill.

(03-01-2018 04:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  The tourney committee has shown over & over, year after year, that it is good wins that get bids & seeding - and we know from CUSA days if you aren't playing a good number of quality teams you have very little margin to p/u good wins.

Memphis was a 2 seed in 2008-09 by having two top 50 rpi/kenpom wins. TWO. (They lost to Xavier, Georgetown, and Syracuse that year). The bigger deal was they took care of business the rest of the way vs. chumps.

SMH......you are so stuck on stats, debate & hate for Tubby (your words) you can't see that stats are only an indication of performance. And stats can be used to twist any argument - the twisting of which you are a master. But for your edification, Memphis got that 2008 2nd seed because of their SOS & WINS - even Calipari said he had to schedule tougher OOC to get a break on bids & seeding with the depletion of CUSA. Check the Memphis RPI & SOS in 2008 as a result of playing Xavier, Georgetown & Syracuse since you love stats. Also since you are so stat focused, check those of Temple this year, 3 Q1 wins, 5 Q2 wins, RPI 41 - no schools with those "stats" has been left out since the NCAA went to 68 bids (I didn't say Temple would even make the field but based upon stats, they should if they get a couple of wins the rest of the way). Heck you should be one campaigning for Temple since you are so focused on stats. Memphis also drew almost 10K for its one P-5 OOC home game this season - and that while the students weren't in school - which is over 3500 more on avg than for its other OOC games. Seems to me it makes a difference who we play - even when we aren't winning. And BTW, I don't watch ESPN unless Memphis is playing. But you keep paying those stat subscriptions & dreaming up other ways to criticize Tubby.

Paragraphs.

Jeez
I like you two but may have to put both of you on ignore so I can stop reading the same things over and over again across multiple threads

sheesh. It's such a bad snowstorm here even the carrot wienies won't dance no mo.

Are y'alls dancing ok?

(03-01-2018 05:24 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Jeez
I like you two but may have to put both of you on ignore so I can stop reading the same things over and over again across multiple threads

When you get enough people on ignore to avoid that, post again and let everyone know what the tally was, will you? I think it's going to be way more than two.

(03-01-2018 05:26 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 05:24 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Jeez
I like you two but may have to put both of you on ignore so I can stop reading the same things over and over again across multiple threads

When you get enough people on ignore to avoid that, post again and let everyone know what the tally was, will you? I think it's going to be way more than two.

Nah I won’t lol
But man...they need to get a separate room. No one’s willing to back down...SMH

(03-01-2018 05:26 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 05:24 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Jeez
I like you two but may have to put both of you on ignore so I can stop reading the same things over and over again across multiple threads

When you get enough people on ignore to avoid that, post again and let everyone know what the tally was, will you? I think it's going to be way more than two.

Mercy

On a side note, the American is the lone conference in the country where the only teams with 20 wins are in the Top 25.

I'm curious to see the breakdown of minutes played, especially Kyvon vs. Thornton. Kyvon only played 7 minutes vs. UConn, while Thornton, despite not starting, played 32 minutes. Also Rivers only played 18 minutes.

And Tubby had Brewton (38 minutes) and Malik (25 mins.) playing guard together for half the UConn game, moving Jamal (35 mins.) to the 3, with Thornton and Parks playing 4 and 5.

He needs to ride Thornton for as long as he has the hot hand. The dude has obviously worked his butt off to get better.

(03-01-2018 06:54 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  He needs to ride Thornton for as long as he has the hot hand. The dude has obviously worked his butt off to get better.

Agreed and let's not forget Jamal hit 4 3's vs. UConn. Just the threat helps open things up for Parks inside. If Parks can receive the entry pass 5 feet from the goal, he's really tough to stop.

(03-01-2018 06:31 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  On a side note, the American is the lone conference in the country where the only teams with 20 wins are in the Top 25.

Yeah...I'm not sure how that will work out for NCAA seeding , but I noticed it too.

SMU was once ranked in the top 25 and got passed over entirely by the NCAA committee. And I'm not talking about the year they were sanctioned.


It was pretty horrible actually.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...le-nit-bid

"UNIVERSITY PARK, Texas -- A little more than a thousand SMU fans, players, band members and cheerleaders and coach Larry Brown sat in Moody Coliseum in anticipation of the school's first NCAA appearance in more than two decades, only to experience disappointment."

(03-01-2018 06:31 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  On a side note, the American is the lone conference in the country where the only teams with 20 wins are in the Top 25.

I had to look at conference standings from what you said and that is true! Very interesting.

(03-01-2018 07:05 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 06:31 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  On a side note, the American is the lone conference in the country where the only teams with 20 wins are in the Top 25.

Yeah...I'm not sure how that will work out for NCAA seeding , but I noticed it too.

SMU was once ranked in the top 25 and got passed over entirely by the NCAA committee. And I'm not talking about the year they were sanctioned.


It was pretty horrible actually.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...le-nit-bid

"UNIVERSITY PARK, Texas -- A little more than a thousand SMU fans, players, band members and cheerleaders and coach Larry Brown sat in Moody Coliseum in anticipation of the school's first NCAA appearance in more than two decades, only to experience disappointment."

They beat 4 ranked teams that year and still got left out. Devastating. By the way, I checked the comments section. ZERO comments. Interesting.

(03-01-2018 02:51 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 02:07 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 09:20 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 08:13 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 07:44 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  It is not a gimme, but it should be one. It starkly shows the state of the program in Tubby’s second year.

Yes, improving the win-loss record, best since 2013-14 season.

The win-loss record is only one of many metrics evaluating a team’s effectiveness. As you know, it is influenced by SOS and home games. The NCAA Selection Committee does not weigh it heavily for selection purposes and therefore I do not give it much weight either.

The most important metrics (but not the only one) to me indicating program success are earning an NCAA Tourney bid and number of NCAA Tourney victories. Do you agree?

After the season is over (as early as next week), the season post mortem may commence and we will evaluate the progress made (if any) since Tubby’s hire.

Yes, the win-loss record will be the best since 2013-2014, with no more than a 10 position swing in SOS over the entire 4 yr period - with the worst SOS during the period for the 2014-2015 (95) season. Imagine that & with JP as coach & loaded with top recruits during that 2014-2015 season. Sounds like Tubby & his recruits are improving the program.

We got two SOS anchors coming to our house in the next 2 games...Expect our SOS to drop at least 10 spots.

I think Tubby has the program as far as its ability to win at about the same level as Josh left it.

It is like it is opposite world though...

With Josh everyone felt that it didn't matter how many talented players he got he wasn't going to ever win at a high level.

With Tubby it seems that no matter how many talented players are around the program he aint gonna land any of them.

One coach has the same success with scraps as the other coach had with steak. The question is will Tubby do what it takes to get steak @ the Memphis table?

Absolutely gr8 points, but this is any easy one...Tubby is going to bring in the types of players that he wants to coach...If this were NOT the case,he would bring in Penny as coach in waiting (no brainer) and have a different role for his son, who's INEPT!