(02-21-2018 11:04 AM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:01 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 10:56 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 10:43 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Finish the season with at least two straight wins (home vs. ECU and USF) then if they finish as the 6th seed in the AAC tourney, they will get ECU in the 1st game.

Just collecting wins.

Probably worst case would be 19-14. Can you can someone for going 19-14 his 2nd season?

I think there is a 90% chance that he is out at the end of this season.

I think it's far less than 50%, but it's just a sheer wild assed guess.

I think you're guess is closer to right unless 95,000 or so Tiger fans will send in $100 apiece to fund the buyout.

100,000 less tickets sold over the course of the season is doing the trick equally well. If Tubby is our coach next year it is because we won't hire Penny and the pool of available candidates is underwhelming.

The money is there if they want to fire him. They didn't agree to pay him $3+ mil a year hoping to be able to fund it each year by digging through the couch cushions. They can cut Tubby's annual salary in 1/2 and pay him out over 6 years instead of 3. That's why I still say this is an ego driven decision as much or more than a money driven one. Rudd, Bowen and some boosters don't want to admit a mistake, and probably worry about media perception.

IMO - Tigers finish w/ 18 or 19 wins this year. They'l finish 6th in AAC and Tub + the admin will try to sell fans on "see, better than expected". Tubby will be back probably w/ a "forced staff change" meaning Joe E is #pushedout because Saul & Pooh aren't gonna be. Next season's results will depend on the schedule and whether or not JM returns. A core of Martin/ Brewton/ Davenport/ Parks/ Jamal/ Enoh/ Thornton is good enough to do about what they've done this year if the schedule is weak again. All that falls in place and next year is another 17-19 win season and Tubby will be back for a dreadful year 4 once Jeremiah and the Jucos graduate.

So apparently the majority on this board will be over-ruled.

$6,506,271 Basketball Revenues
$9,725,712 Basketball Expenses

I don't want to talk out of turn but this has to be the first time ever in our history that expenses are greater than revenues, isn't it? Also, keep in mind that the numbers listed are for 2017 when we sold 9,622 tickets per game; which is 3,600 more than we will sell this year, which is more than we will sell next year.

This year's numbers are going to be even more of a bloodbath.

(02-21-2018 11:22 AM)SayWhat? Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 10:49 AM)TigerK Wrote:  I think Bowen has as much as come out in public and stated it so regardless of what happens down the stretch or in the AAC tourney thats what I believe until I hear or see different.

Bowen did not say Tubby will be here next year, he just did a little jig around that by saying Tubby is our coach. Nothing to the effect he will for certain be our BB coach next season.

Without those ticket sales and donations coming back the decision makers will have a hard time explaining how they could envision giving it another year will get better. It isn't just the donations from the regular season ticket holders, but the lost donations and sales of the suits from big companies. They are empty for the most part and I would assume the paid occupancy is down by a lot.

There are two ways for the school to lose money. One will cost a lot, the other will cost even more. I will renew my season tickets for another 30 plus years when Penny or equally capable coach who can get the players, teach them to win, and make us a top tier team again.

I suggest you make your thoughts known to Bowen and Rudd. It can’t hurt.

(02-21-2018 10:43 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Finish the season with at least two straight wins (home vs. ECU and USF) then if they finish as the 6th seed in the AAC tourney, they will get ECU in the 1st game.

Just collecting wins.

Probably worst case would be 19-14. Can you can someone for going 19-14 his 2nd season?

The big issue is that we haven't seen any improvement from the JP era. Maybe slight improvement if you consider the AAC is a bit better.

I'm fine with removing coaches a bit before they should go. I've been on record thinking that we don't want to do what Ole Miss did with AK. That team will be garbage next year without a Cuonzo Martin at Mizzou type miracle class. They killed a pretty decent recruiting class by not extending AK, rather than firing him early. Now their roster is a real mess, in a tougher SEC.

We don't want a lame duck coach for a year.

Our roster has plenty of pieces right now. We should be able to get a quality coach. But don't fire Tubby if you don't have a plan lined up. And really, they only can hire Penny right now.

IF we keep Tubs. I think will have a similar record next year, but without the early season mishaps. We probably be a better Tulsa from this year, and end the year around 4th in the AAC and on the bubble.

I don't expect the wave of transfers to continue next year with Tubby, or with a new coach. I think the culture of the program is in a decent shape. Probably in a better position than the Pastner era. But not meeting our expectations.

Stammers is clueless as usual. Same guy who said this week that AA would be an assistant coach at the UofM with a $25,000 salary. And he wasn't joking. A $15 an hour job at 40 hours per week equates to around a $31,000 annual salary. Just dumb.

Unless Tubby dies or takes another job, he will 100% be the coach next year. What part of we don't have the money is so hard to understand? And university President's sphincters are tightening all over the country with the FBI going nuclear on college hoops. Tubby is a pretty safe place to be for a couple of seasons.

Read the CA article today on athletic finances, and come back if you still think we'll pay $9.75M to make a coach go away 2 years into a 5 year contract after two winning seasons.

(02-21-2018 11:23 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  The money is there if they want to fire him. They didn't agree to pay him $3+ mil a year hoping to be able to fund it each year by digging through the couch cushions. They can cut Tubby's annual salary in 1/2 and pay him out over 6 years instead of 3. That's why I still say this is an ego driven decision as much or more than a money driven one. Rudd, Bowen and some boosters don't want to admit a mistake, and probably worry about media perception.

IMO - Tigers finish w/ 18 or 19 wins this year. They'l finish 6th in AAC and Tub + the admin will try to sell fans on "see, better than expected". Tubby will be back probably w/ a "forced staff change" meaning Joe E is #pushedout because Saul & Pooh aren't gonna be. Next season's results will depend on the schedule and whether or not JM returns. A core of Martin/ Brewton/ Davenport/ Parks/ Jamal/ Enoh/ Thornton is good enough to do about what they've done this year if the schedule is weak again. All that falls in place and next year is another 17-19 win season and Tubby will be back for a dreadful year 4 once Jeremiah and the Jucos graduate.

If he’s brought back he will have to get us to the NCAA tournament or be gone.

(02-21-2018 11:24 AM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  So apparently the majority on this board will be over-ruled.

Well if that is the case they will have trouble filling the field house with fans. Especially if Martin transfers. Yep, the future is so bright we gotta wear shades.

The American may be down a bit next year...WSU loses six of their nine rotation players (and Shamet may choose to put himself in the draft).

Houston loses three of top five scorers, including Rob Gray.

UCF might be strong, assuming they get Tacko back. Only lose AJ Davis.

We'll see what Milton decides to do at SMU.

Cinci loses their 2nd and 3rd leading scorers.

ECU, USF, and Tulane will still suck.

Who knows what UConn will field next year.

(02-21-2018 11:26 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:22 AM)SayWhat? Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 10:49 AM)TigerK Wrote:  I think Bowen has as much as come out in public and stated it so regardless of what happens down the stretch or in the AAC tourney thats what I believe until I hear or see different.

Bowen did not say Tubby will be here next year, he just did a little jig around that by saying Tubby is our coach. Nothing to the effect he will for certain be our BB coach next season.

Without those ticket sales and donations coming back the decision makers will have a hard time explaining how they could envision giving it another year will get better. It isn't just the donations from the regular season ticket holders, but the lost donations and sales of the suits from big companies. They are empty for the most part and I would assume the paid occupancy is down by a lot.

There are two ways for the school to lose money. One will cost a lot, the other will cost even more. I will renew my season tickets for another 30 plus years when Penny or equally capable coach who can get the players, teach them to win, and make us a top tier team again.

I suggest you make your thoughts known to Bowen and Rudd. It can’t hurt.

I have in person to our AD, as well as many many others have personally made their protest known directly to the school.

It is like a company who makes a product that is not selling, and they decide to keep making that same product. Much like the two guys selling water melons out of the back of their pick up truck. One says to the other he has looked at the numbers and discovered they are selling the melons for $5 and it cost them $6 to grow them. The other one suggest they get a bigger truck.

(02-21-2018 11:45 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  The American may be down a bit next year...WSU loses six of their nine rotation players (and Shamet may choose to put himself in the draft).

Houston loses three of top five scorers, including Rob Gray.

UCF might be strong, assuming they get Tacko back. Only lose AJ Davis.

We'll see what Milton decides to do at SMU.

I think Milton declares and goes, up to 46th on latest nbadraft.net mock:

# 46
Shake Milton
6-6
205
PG/SG
SMU
Jr.

(02-21-2018 11:37 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:34 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:29 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:27 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Stammers is clueless as usual. Same guy who said this week that AA would be an assistant coach at the UofM with a $25,000 salary. And he wasn't joking. A $15 an hour job at 40 hours per week equates to around a $31,000 annual salary. Just dumb.

Unless Tubby dies or takes another job, he will 100% be the coach next year. What part of we don't have the money is so hard to understand? And university President's sphincters are tightening all over the country with the FBI going nuclear on college hoops. Tubby is a pretty safe place to be for a couple of seasons.

Read the CA article today on athletic finances, and come back if you still think we'll pay $9.75M to make a coach go away 2 years into a 5 year contract after two winning seasons.

Lol, he was making his opinion know and that makes him clueless? tough crowd this week, Stammers.

AA being paid $25K to be an assistant coach, and 90% chance that Tubby is fired is dumb. Opinions can be dumb. And he's always been clueless.

Clueless? You still insist that we sold more tickets last year than we did in 2016 and you think Tubby is safe because he has had two winning seasons.

We had higher attendance last year vs. the year before. People lost interest. Win games and people will show up.

Pretty much

(02-21-2018 11:45 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  The American may be down a bit next year...WSU loses six of their nine rotation players (and Shamet may choose to put himself in the draft).

Houston loses three of top five scorers, including Rob Gray.

UCF might be strong, assuming they get Tacko back. Only lose AJ Davis.

We'll see what Milton decides to do at SMU.

Cinci loses their 2nd and 3rd leading scorers.

ECU, USF, and Tulane will still suck.

Who knows what UConn will field next year.

So are you saying we should ride it out with the tub? or get someone else in asap?

(02-21-2018 12:01 PM)MEMPHIS TIGERS Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:45 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  The American may be down a bit next year...WSU loses six of their nine rotation players (and Shamet may choose to put himself in the draft).

Houston loses three of top five scorers, including Rob Gray.

UCF might be strong, assuming they get Tacko back. Only lose AJ Davis.

We'll see what Milton decides to do at SMU.

Cinci loses their 2nd and 3rd leading scorers.

ECU, USF, and Tulane will still suck.

Who knows what UConn will field next year.

So are you saying we should ride it out with the tub? or get someone else in asap?

No. He's saying that we will have an easy schedule, and probably be a around a bubble team that might cause us to keep Tubby long term. Which he doesn't want.

(02-21-2018 12:08 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 12:01 PM)MEMPHIS TIGERS Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:45 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  The American may be down a bit next year...WSU loses six of their nine rotation players (and Shamet may choose to put himself in the draft).

Houston loses three of top five scorers, including Rob Gray.

UCF might be strong, assuming they get Tacko back. Only lose AJ Davis.

We'll see what Milton decides to do at SMU.

Cinci loses their 2nd and 3rd leading scorers.

ECU, USF, and Tulane will still suck.

Who knows what UConn will field next year.

So are you saying we should ride it out with the tub? or get someone else in asap?

No. He's saying that we will have an easy schedule, and probably be a around a bubble team that might cause us to keep Tubby long term. Which he doesn't want.

A BUBBLE team?

For what?

Just from a outsider's view, it seems impossible to can someone who goes 19-13 and 19-14 in back to back years. And if Memphis beats UConn, they are looking at a 20 win season.

Going 19-14 nets Memphis a 128 rpi (projected). Not anywhere CLOSE to NIT.

Put it this way, Memphis could win their last four regular season games, then beat ECU, then Houston, then lose to WSU in the AAC semis for a 22-12 record and that STILL only gets them to 89 in the RPI--which still is about as low as the NIT takes at-large.

So, they will need to win six in a row just to get on the bubble.

The NIT bubble.

(02-21-2018 12:17 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 12:08 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 12:01 PM)MEMPHIS TIGERS Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:45 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  The American may be down a bit next year...WSU loses six of their nine rotation players (and Shamet may choose to put himself in the draft).

Houston loses three of top five scorers, including Rob Gray.

UCF might be strong, assuming they get Tacko back. Only lose AJ Davis.

We'll see what Milton decides to do at SMU.

Cinci loses their 2nd and 3rd leading scorers.

ECU, USF, and Tulane will still suck.

Who knows what UConn will field next year.

So are you saying we should ride it out with the tub? or get someone else in asap?

No. He's saying that we will have an easy schedule, and probably be a around a bubble team that might cause us to keep Tubby long term. Which he doesn't want.

A BUBBLE team?

For what?

Just from a outsider's view, it seems impossible to can someone who goes 19-13 and 19-14 in back to back years. And if Memphis beats UConn, they are looking at a 20 win season.

Going 19-14 nets Memphis a 128 rpi (projected). Not anywhere CLOSE to NIT.

Put it this way, Memphis could win their last four regular season games, then beat ECU, then Houston, then lose to WSU in the AAC semis for a 22-12 record and that STILL only gets them to 89 in the RPI--which still is about as low as the NIT takes at-large.

So, they will need to win six in a row just to get on the bubble.

The NIT bubble.

next year's bubble I'm guessing..

I think he gets fired if:
1.) He loses to ECU or USF at home
2.) If Penny is going to be hired away to somewhere else
3.) If Jeremiah Martin transfers

Other than the scenarios listed above, he will probably be back.

He might also be gone if:
1.) Nickelberry/Enoh/Johnson transfer
2.) Tyler Harris goes elsewhere
3.) We get annihilated in the first round of the AAC tournament

Maybe a honey trap with hookers and pics.