(02-14-2018 09:33 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  Bowl attendance is down because ESPN and the bowl committees are morons. They come up with lopsided matchups like Akron vs. FAU and send teams to far-flung places like Hawaii and the Bahamas.

They also move games off weekends for programming and not for attendance. The Go Daddy bowl used to sell out IIRC now during the week a day before Christmas Ever virtually no chance. Same for regular season honestly I dont know Ill make many weekday games. I bet almost every teams weekday games P5 or G5 is atleast 10-20% lower in attendance.

(02-15-2018 12:01 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(02-15-2018 11:29 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Boxing used to be all the rage.

Then they got greedy and put everything behind a paywall.
It was popular when it was broadcast for everyone to see.

Fair point. I've always enjoyed boxing though. MMA was never my thing. I like the 12 round build up that most people hate. When is it all going to come unglued? Round 7? Round 10? MMA is too short for me.

(02-15-2018 12:07 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(02-15-2018 12:01 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(02-15-2018 11:29 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Boxing used to be all the rage.

Then they got greedy and put everything behind a paywall.
It was popular when it was broadcast for everyone to see.

Fair point. I've always enjoyed boxing though. MMA was never my thing. I like the 12 round build up that most people hate. When is it all going to come unglued? Round 7? Round 10? MMA is too short for me.

Agreed. Seems like every fight I've watched has been over in less than 20 seconds.

Lots of good arguments in this thread. Its some of all of it.

Bottom line is still that SEC is looking out for SEC, ESPN is looking out for ESPN, Texas is looking out for Texas, sports writers are looking out for sports writers, players are looking out for players, agents are looking out for agents, coaches are looking out for coaches.

Nobody is looking out for the good of the sport, or more broadly, college athletics.

Maybe fans voting with their feet will ultimately change things.

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(02-15-2018 12:50 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Maybe fans voting with their feet will ultimately change things.

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Nope, this is the giving tree.

Surprised no one has said Title IX killed college football by raising football ticket prices and student athletic fees to cover everything else.

(02-15-2018 09:46 AM)Oldyeller Wrote:  Ultimately it comes down to a lack of interest in the game. Sandusky, kneeling, concussions, soccer, inequitable arrangements, childish behavior on and off the field, academia making horrid business decisions all taking a toll and slowly eroding a game that, in my opinion, is vital in many ways. The very group most served eating it's own tail.

For the P5 level, stop playing weekday games & remake conferences so they offer opponents with more regional appeal. I have no problem with Texas State, but other than they are a conference opponent and matter in the standings I could care less about playing them. Hate to say it, but the same goes fo a few others in the league. Again, it's nothing personal, but they just incite little to no interest from our fan base. I'd bet we have the same influence on their fan base as well. At our level it's hard to build a rivalry with schools 600+ miles away.

Being mor centrally located, I'm happy with our current makeup. But completely understand what Appman is saying. Of course, I'd still like to be conference mates with USM and back in a conference with UAB.

Here is a question for you App and GaSo fans, would you guys be happy if realignment meant being in separate conferences???

(02-16-2018 10:19 AM)Usajags Wrote:  Being mor centrally located, I'm happy with our current makeup. But completely understand what Appman is saying. Of course, I'd still like to be conference mates with USM and back in a conference with UAB.

Here is a question for you App and GaSo fans, would you guys be happy if realignment meant being in separate conferences???

Depends on who is in the new conference with us. Currently, the only other G5 schools within 6 hours of us that have large fan bases and have past history with us are Georgia State, Troy, Coastal Carolina, and UCF. We already play 3 of those 4 in the alignment we have now. To make it worth it, we would need to replace App with someone like UCF which isn't realistic.

I think for a G5 realignment to be completely effective it has to include the AAC. CUSA, the SBC and the AAC all share the same geographic footprint. If the G5 commissioners had any intelligence they'd look at the P5 model. The B1G, Big XII, SEC, ACC, and PAC12 don't share the same footprint. They touch of course, but in general don't overlap. This model works, it has proven to work for 75 plus years. Time for then SBC, CUSA and AAC to figure that crap out as well.

(02-14-2018 02:11 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Disturbing....

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-34-years/

Did they explore the Natural Disaster factors? 2017 seemed to be quite turbulent in that regard.

(02-16-2018 11:11 AM)Usajags Wrote:  I think for a G5 realignment to be completely effective it has to include the AAC. CUSA, the SBC and the AAC all share the same geographic footprint. If the G5 commissioners had any intelligence they'd look at the P5 model. The B1G, Big XII, SEC, ACC, and PAC12 don't share the same footprint. They touch of course, but in general don't overlap. This model works, it has proven to work for 75 plus years. Time for then SBC, CUSA and AAC to figure that crap out as well.

Somebody should take the time to do the study to see how much of an increase in attendance there is with closer away teams and where the limit is where there is no difference.

(02-16-2018 06:17 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 11:11 AM)Usajags Wrote:  I think for a G5 realignment to be completely effective it has to include the AAC. CUSA, the SBC and the AAC all share the same geographic footprint. If the G5 commissioners had any intelligence they'd look at the P5 model. The B1G, Big XII, SEC, ACC, and PAC12 don't share the same footprint. They touch of course, but in general don't overlap. This model works, it has proven to work for 75 plus years. Time for then SBC, CUSA and AAC to figure that crap out as well.

Somebody should take the time to do the study to see how much of an increase in attendance there is with closer away teams and where the limit is where there is no difference.

That's actually a great idea. Some of you numbers crunchers should be able to pull the data and see what it reveals. Shouldn't be that difficult to find the data.

I think it's dropping b/c the average cost of tickets have gone up at many schools and average wages remained the same. It's cheaper and safer to watch the game on TV ... the amount of drinking and driving at a college football game is scary (especially at a "tailgating school").

You have to consider, most of the traditional power schools, the ones that average 85k plus, built their traditions of attending games before all the TV games. Just 20 years ago, if you wanted to see a Alabama, Penn St, Ohio St, Michigan game, you were at the games. Only a handful of their games were broadcast each year. That's really my generation, for all younger generations they grew up watching the games on TV, not attending the games.

I grew up listening to more Alabama games then I got to watch, it's not the case anymore. Now I can watch all South games from the comfort of my living room. The times are changing, and the now generation just doesn't seem to have the desire or patience to sit in the weather to watch their team. I've sat in cold rain to watch a Senior Bowl years ago, and it was full, now it rains and the stands are empty. I've sat in Legion Field at the end of August at 2pm, visitors side, with 90k other people to watch a Bama game. You aren't going to get that at most places, fans will complain about the heat.

We now have cities building BILLION dollar stadiums to improve the fans experience to keep people coming in, and then we have an NFL team playing in a 25k seat soccer stadium and it wasn't even half full. And other then size, it's probably one of the nicer stadiums in the league last year. I could see some cities taking notes and building those smaller stadiums with more amenities for the attending fans and save a half billion dollars in the process.

I remember you had to go to Senior Bowl to watch it because we would have the game blacked out on ESPN years ago. Now that it is on NFL Network, the game hasn't been blacked out. I still try to go to as many as South home games, and a road game or 2 per season. Ladd is just a old run down high school with terrible concessions and is way too big for the Jags and the gametimes have been overlapping with Alabama and Auburn kickoff times. Alabama and most years Auburn have been having really good seasons since the Jags started football since 09. I just don't know how long the attendance will stay where it is till we get an on campus stadium. Getting our new coach may help, but winning more games will ultimately determine attendance.

(02-19-2018 08:54 PM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  I remember you had to go to Senior Bowl to watch it because we would have the game blacked out on ESPN years ago. Now that it is on NFL Network, the game hasn't been blacked out. I still try to go to as many as South home games, and a road game or 2 per season. Ladd is just a old run down high school with terrible concessions and is way too big for the Jags and the gametimes have been overlapping with Alabama and Auburn kickoff times. Alabama and most years Auburn have been having really good seasons since the Jags started football since 09. I just don't know how long the attendance will stay where it is till we get an on campus stadium. Getting our new coach may help, but winning more games will ultimately determine attendance.

Unfortunately it will be this way until Alabama returns to Earth. But we also need to win, and win soon. We need to compete for the conference and we need to get over that barely 6 win hump. We've had big signature, but haven't been able to capitalize because we has mediocre seasons.

Just the invisible hand doing its invisible hand thing. Carry on.

https://www.leanblog.org/2018/02/every-m...ttendance/

Interesting article from a fellow that puts out a lot of good material, if you're into such content.

(02-16-2018 06:17 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 11:11 AM)Usajags Wrote:  I think for a G5 realignment to be completely effective it has to include the AAC. CUSA, the SBC and the AAC all share the same geographic footprint. If the G5 commissioners had any intelligence they'd look at the P5 model. The B1G, Big XII, SEC, ACC, and PAC12 don't share the same footprint. They touch of course, but in general don't overlap. This model works, it has proven to work for 75 plus years. Time for then SBC, CUSA and AAC to figure that crap out as well.

Somebody should take the time to do the study to see how much of an increase in attendance there is with closer away teams and where the limit is where there is no difference.

I'll repeat something I said which is the SBC and CUSA need to split up into Eastern and Western based conferences. That will allow for conference teams to be more regionalized, reduce travel costs, allow for away teams to better travel to conference games, and help create true rivalries.

CUSA - Eastern based

GA Southern, GA State, Coastal, ODU, Charlotte, Marshall, W. KY, UAB, FIU, FAU, Troy, S. Alabama

SBC - Western based

Louisiana, S. Miss, Rice, Texas State, UTSA, UTEP, NMSU, LA Tech, N. Texas, Ark State, ULM, MTSU