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It's funny. I thought their bigs did a great job getting set on their picks and I didn't have a problem with Caver's charge because he lowered the shoulder (that is going to be offensive every time). But, they missed some egregious shoves to Porter's back, at least once where they grabbed enough of Porter's jersey to untuck, and on one play after Porter and two of their players hit the deck, one of them grabbed Porter by the ankle so he couldn't get up and join the fast break we had.

I guess I had a bad angle on the Caver call. Looks like the defender tried to get in his way without getting his feet set and let Caver run into him, which I thought is a block.

The charge on Haynes was bogus

(02-02-2018 09:08 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 09:07 AM)bigblueodu Wrote:  Why did we not attack the zone? Standing at the top of the key throwing high looping passes to each other over and over doesn't do anything but waste the shot clock. Quick passes kill a zone. Throw it into the paint and then immediately kick it back out to the wing. You move bodies on man to man defenses, you move the ball against a zone.

Agreed, our ball movement was not very good and made us take long 3s at the end of the shot clock

Say what? Were you watching the same game? Ball movement was the best I have seen from ODU in years.

(02-02-2018 09:58 AM)odu09 Wrote:  I guess I had a bad angle on the Caver call. Looks like the defender tried to get in his way without getting his feet set and let Caver run into him, which I thought is a block.

I thought that one was a 50/50 call. The defender was clearly moving and slid in front but it looked worse for Caver because he lowered his head and shoulder. My bigger problem was that King had the exact same type of play at the other end 2 minutes later and lowered his shoulder to run over Brandon and it was called a block. The only difference was that Brandon didn't fall down. I know it's easy to blame officials but last nights guys sucked.

The main thing I took away from this game is that MTSU plays one mean 1-3-1 defense -- killed our 3-point shooting and held us under 60 points. We had to fight and scratch for every point we got. That -- and MTSU's one five-point possession.

(02-02-2018 10:32 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  The main thing I took away from this game is that MTSU plays one mean 1-3-1 defense -- killed our 3-point shooting and held us under 60 points. We had to fight and scratch for every point we got. That -- and MTSU's one five-point possession.

our 3-point shooters also helped kill the 3-point shooting.

(02-02-2018 09:48 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  It's funny. I thought their bigs did a great job getting set on their picks and I didn't have a problem with Caver's charge because he lowered the shoulder (that is going to be offensive every time). But, they missed some egregious shoves to Porter's back, at least once where they grabbed enough of Porter's jersey to untuck, and on one play after Porter and two of their players hit the deck, one of them grabbed Porter by the ankle so he couldn't get up and join the fast break we had.

I disagree on the Caver call. When the defender is still getting back on defense and out of position, guards should initiate contact and draw the foul. Of course, the NCAA does reward bad defense in charge/block situations. Did Caver lower his shoulder? Sure, but he did so in a motion of going to the basket and shooting a layup. It wasn't like the clear charge call on Porter where he just tried to go through the defender.

(02-02-2018 09:07 AM)bigblueodu Wrote:  Why did we not attack the zone? Standing at the top of the key throwing high looping passes to each other over and over doesn't do anything but waste the shot clock. Quick passes kill a zone. Throw it into the paint and then immediately kick it back out to the wing. You move bodies on man to man defenses, you move the ball against a zone.

We did attack the 1-3-1. The way to attack it is in the corners and in the low post. You cannot get the ball in the paint in the 1-3-1 zone until you get past the initial defender and closer to the 3 point line. That is why they swung the ball around and got it to the short corner to create better angles. The schemed prevents you from just dribbling up and penetrating.

Agree with most of what has been posted here, one thing I'll add. We need some bigger, stronger people on our team to match up with the MTSU and WK type teams.They were throwing us around like rag dolls and getting away with it. If the refs are gonna let you play that way you gotta play that way. We need a Ben Finney type who can dish it back out just as well as its being dished and a flipping Frank Hassell type thrown in woudn't hurt to bang and bruise down low.

Also, regarding the squandered fast break opportunities, be nice to have had a Drew Williamson to run the show. Keeping things under contro, being in charge type. We seem to always be too rushed and fling the damn ball all over the court at the absolute worst times. Every time we would get up one, stop MT a couple straight times but then just throw the ball away. Mind boggling when we could have had a little seperation.

So all we need is a Frank Hassell,Ben Finney though guy and a Drew Williamson. And oh yeah, how about a Mark Poag for good measure. Not asking for too much am I?

(02-02-2018 08:51 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  MT 2nd chance points from offensive rebounds, ODU shooting 5-25 (20%) from 3 and a few bad calls from the refs was the whole game in a nutshell

Pretty much sums it up....don't understand why we seem to have no home court advantage when it comes to calls by refs....

Well yeah, the Frank/Coop/Finney/Baze team would run through this conference like a hot knife through butter, but if we can get the most out of what we have, this team can win it too. I like this squad and really hope they can click on all cylinders when and get a bid. They seem to be one cylinder short right now - FG shooting. The defense is there, the ball movement is there, the passing is there, the ball handling is there, they are getting open looks against a great defense, and even the FTs are sufficient.

FWIW, MTSU is a top 40 team. They have won tourney games in back to back years. Claiming any of our teams would win might be a stretch(probably had 1-2 that were on the same level). Claiming they would run through the conference is ridiculous.

(02-02-2018 10:52 AM)blewbyu Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 08:51 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  MT 2nd chance points from offensive rebounds, ODU shooting 5-25 (20%) from 3 and a few bad calls from the refs was the whole game in a nutshell

Pretty much sums it up....don't understand why we seem to have no home court advantage when it comes to calls by refs....

There were no bad calls by the refs that made a difference in this game. What was the difference... 2-14 from 3 by BJ and Caver, we got manhandled on the boards, and we went the last 4 ish minutes in crunch time without a basket except a end of the game meaningless 3 by BJ. They turned up the Defense and we folded. Giddy took over down the stretch as he always does and we didn't respond. Our 11 steals were great because of our aggressiveness in the passing lanes and doubling down in the post, but what that did was allow them open rebounding lanes when they got shots up. Thus they killed us on the offensive rebounds and 2nd chance points. The NCAA bid goes through MTSU. We will have 4 maybe 5 CUSA loses and likely on the outside looking in to the NIT. Kah and Clinton losses this year was huge !

(02-02-2018 11:09 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 10:52 AM)blewbyu Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 08:51 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  MT 2nd chance points from offensive rebounds, ODU shooting 5-25 (20%) from 3 and a few bad calls from the refs was the whole game in a nutshell

Pretty much sums it up....don't understand why we seem to have no home court advantage when it comes to calls by refs....

There were no bad calls by the refs that made a difference in this game. What was the difference... 2-14 from 3 by BJ and Caver, we got manhandled on the boards, and we went the last 4 ish minutes in crunch time without a basket except a end of the game meaningless 3 by BJ. They turned up the Defense and we folded. Giddy took over down the stretch as he always does and we didn't respond. Our 11 steals were great because of our aggressiveness in the passing lanes and doubling down in the post, but what that did was allow them open rebounding lanes when they got shots up. Thus they killed us on the offensive rebounds and 2nd chance points. The NCAA bid goes through MTSU. We will have 4 maybe 5 CUSA loses and likely on the outside looking in to the NIT. Kah and Clinton losses this year was huge !

There was not 1 single call that directly determined the outcome of the game, but in the first couple minutes there were 2 possessions that were out on MT and the refs gave the ball back to them and they made a 3 both times. Even the announcers were like wtf??? There were several really questionable offensive fouls called on ODU in the 2nd half that are never called. Im not saying the refs determined the entire outcome but yes there were bad calls by the refs that made a difference in this game.

(02-02-2018 11:00 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  FWIW, MTSU is a top 40 team. They have won tourney games in back to back years. Claiming any of our teams would win might be a stretch(probably had 1-2 that were on the same level). Claiming they would run through the conference is ridiculous.

That team was Final 4 capable. Lost on a tip in at the buzzer to the national runner up after running through a 3-bid conference and blowing out an eventual Final 4 team in their backyard. MTSU is not on that level. First win was a 15/2 fluke and last year they got a good 1st round draw. I have no doubt we would have run through this conference. Maybe not undefeated, but we certainly would have held serve at home and won the big ones and the tournament. I also like this team, but maybe you aren't old enough to remember how good those other teams were and how they stepped up every single time.

(02-02-2018 11:23 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 11:00 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  FWIW, MTSU is a top 40 team. They have won tourney games in back to back years. Claiming any of our teams would win might be a stretch(probably had 1-2 that were on the same level). Claiming they would run through the conference is ridiculous.

That team was Final 4 capable. Lost on a tip in at the buzzer to the national runner up after running through a 3-bid conference and blowing out an eventual Final 4 team in their backyard. MTSU is not on that level. First win was a 15/2 fluke and last year they got a good 1st round draw. I have no doubt we would have run through this conference. Maybe not undefeated, but we certainly would have held serve at home and won the big ones and the tournament. I also like this team, but maybe you aren't old enough to remember how good those other teams were and how they stepped up every single time.

We were a 9 seed with 4 CAA losses (7 losses overall). KenPom had us as the 48th team. MTSU is ranked as the 41st best team this year.

Claiming that team is was a final four caliber team through transitive properties is a stretch.

Anyone else besides me feel like the refs are "wising up" to Porter. He seems to hit the deck five or six times a game despite being very athletic and agile. Seems to piss and moan quite a bit as well. If he's not careful, he's going to lose the benefit of the doubt on many 50/50 calls.

(02-02-2018 11:23 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 11:09 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 10:52 AM)blewbyu Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 08:51 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  MT 2nd chance points from offensive rebounds, ODU shooting 5-25 (20%) from 3 and a few bad calls from the refs was the whole game in a nutshell

Pretty much sums it up....don't understand why we seem to have no home court advantage when it comes to calls by refs....

There were no bad calls by the refs that made a difference in this game. What was the difference... 2-14 from 3 by BJ and Caver, we got manhandled on the boards, and we went the last 4 ish minutes in crunch time without a basket except a end of the game meaningless 3 by BJ. They turned up the Defense and we folded. Giddy took over down the stretch as he always does and we didn't respond. Our 11 steals were great because of our aggressiveness in the passing lanes and doubling down in the post, but what that did was allow them open rebounding lanes when they got shots up. Thus they killed us on the offensive rebounds and 2nd chance points. The NCAA bid goes through MTSU. We will have 4 maybe 5 CUSA loses and likely on the outside looking in to the NIT. Kah and Clinton losses this year was huge !

There was not 1 single call that directly determined the outcome of the game, but in the first couple minutes there were 2 possessions that were out on MT and the refs gave the ball back to them and they made a 3 both times. Even the announcers were like wtf??? There were several really questionable offensive fouls called on ODU in the 2nd half that are never called. Im not saying the refs determined the entire outcome but yes there were bad calls by the refs that made a difference in this game.

We also got some calls that lead to nothing for us. They executed we did not.

Every really good team needs a finisher when it comes to crunch time when you are playing a very good team. This is something we miss. Someone like Bazemore or Freeman. Nobody can nail it when coming down the stretch.