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(02-02-2018 01:07 PM)odu83alumni Wrote:  Every really good team needs a finisher when it comes to crunch time when you are playing a very good team. This is something we miss. Someone like Bazemore or Freeman. Nobody can nail it when coming down the stretch.

If you don't have that guy, it helps to have a coach that can design something to get a good shot late in games. Jones crumbles in crunch time.
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(02-02-2018 01:37 PM)757ODU Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 01:07 PM)odu83alumni Wrote:  Every really good team needs a finisher when it comes to crunch time when you are playing a very good team. This is something we miss. Someone like Bazemore or Freeman. Nobody can nail it when coming down the stretch.

If you don't have that guy, it helps to have a coach that can design something to get a good shot late in games. Jones crumbles in crunch time.

Then you must consider open 3 point opportunities by Caver and Haynes to be bad shots?
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(02-02-2018 01:37 PM)757ODU Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 01:07 PM)odu83alumni Wrote:  Every really good team needs a finisher when it comes to crunch time when you are playing a very good team. This is something we miss. Someone like Bazemore or Freeman. Nobody can nail it when coming down the stretch.

If you don't have that guy, it helps to have a coach that can design something to get a good shot late in games. Jones crumbles in crunch time.

Im not putting this on the coach. One of these guys needs to step up and be the go to guy. The Designated Hitter.
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(02-02-2018 01:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 01:37 PM)757ODU Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 01:07 PM)odu83alumni Wrote:  Every really good team needs a finisher when it comes to crunch time when you are playing a very good team. This is something we miss. Someone like Bazemore or Freeman. Nobody can nail it when coming down the stretch.

If you don't have that guy, it helps to have a coach that can design something to get a good shot late in games. Jones crumbles in crunch time.

Then you must consider open 3 point opportunities by Caver and Haynes to be bad shots?

I consider Caver's threes at the end of the game to be a product of him not having any rest. So coaching. Randy missed and then responded with a make. After that MTSU ran sets to get the ball to King to finish the game. Don't act like this isn't a common theme. Every year we see the same stuff. End of games against good teams, we do not finish. You blame who you want. I'll blame the head coach.
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(02-02-2018 01:49 PM)757ODU Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 01:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 01:37 PM)757ODU Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 01:07 PM)odu83alumni Wrote:  Every really good team needs a finisher when it comes to crunch time when you are playing a very good team. This is something we miss. Someone like Bazemore or Freeman. Nobody can nail it when coming down the stretch.

If you don't have that guy, it helps to have a coach that can design something to get a good shot late in games. Jones crumbles in crunch time.

Then you must consider open 3 point opportunities by Caver and Haynes to be bad shots?

I consider Caver's threes at the end of the game to be a product of him not having any rest. So coaching. Randy missed and then responded with a make. After that MTSU ran sets to get the ball to King to finish the game. Don't act like this isn't a common theme. Every year we see the same stuff. End of games against good teams, we do not finish. You blame who you want. I'll blame the head coach.

Im blaming everyone one. Just trying to figure out if an open 3 by Caver/Haynes is a good shot late in games? If it is, then a good play was drawn up. If not, then are they not good shooters?

There is nothing different about Cavers shot from minute 1 to minute 40. He hasn't made them (at a good rate) at any point in the game. (this year)
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(02-02-2018 01:51 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 01:49 PM)757ODU Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 01:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 01:37 PM)757ODU Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 01:07 PM)odu83alumni Wrote:  Every really good team needs a finisher when it comes to crunch time when you are playing a very good team. This is something we miss. Someone like Bazemore or Freeman. Nobody can nail it when coming down the stretch.

If you don't have that guy, it helps to have a coach that can design something to get a good shot late in games. Jones crumbles in crunch time.

Then you must consider open 3 point opportunities by Caver and Haynes to be bad shots?

I consider Caver's threes at the end of the game to be a product of him not having any rest. So coaching. Randy missed and then responded with a make. After that MTSU ran sets to get the ball to King to finish the game. Don't act like this isn't a common theme. Every year we see the same stuff. End of games against good teams, we do not finish. You blame who you want. I'll blame the head coach.

Im blaming everyone one. Just trying to figure out if an open 3 by Caver/Haynes is a good shot late in games? If it is, then a good play was drawn up. If not, then are they not good shooters?

There is nothing different about Cavers shot from minute 1 to minute 40. He hasn't made them (at a good rate) at any point in the game. (this year)

This has been consistent with Caver over two years. Starts hot and misses late. He is tired. Name me a game that we have closed out emphatically, against a good team, over the past 3 years.

Edit: Oakland is the only one that comes to mind.
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Caver had a wide open wing 3 on our first real possession of the game (not including Randy off the tip) and he left it short. He wasn't tired, then. He has a very flat shot and those will often come up short.
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(02-02-2018 01:51 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 01:49 PM)757ODU Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 01:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 01:37 PM)757ODU Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 01:07 PM)odu83alumni Wrote:  Every really good team needs a finisher when it comes to crunch time when you are playing a very good team. This is something we miss. Someone like Bazemore or Freeman. Nobody can nail it when coming down the stretch.

If you don't have that guy, it helps to have a coach that can design something to get a good shot late in games. Jones crumbles in crunch time.

Then you must consider open 3 point opportunities by Caver and Haynes to be bad shots?

I consider Caver's threes at the end of the game to be a product of him not having any rest. So coaching. Randy missed and then responded with a make. After that MTSU ran sets to get the ball to King to finish the game. Don't act like this isn't a common theme. Every year we see the same stuff. End of games against good teams, we do not finish. You blame who you want. I'll blame the head coach.

Im blaming everyone one. Just trying to figure out if an open 3 by Caver/Haynes is a good shot late in games? If it is, then a good play was drawn up. If not, then are they not good shooters?

There is nothing different about Cavers shot from minute 1 to minute 40. He hasn't made them (at a good rate) at any point in the game. (this year)

His shot gets flatter as the game goes on.
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(02-02-2018 01:54 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Caver had a wide open wing 3 on our first real possession of the game (not including Randy off the tip) and he left it short. He wasn't tired, then. He has a very flat shot and those will often come up short.

What did he do on the next one?
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(02-02-2018 01:54 PM)757ODU Wrote:  This has been consistent with Caver over two years. Starts hot and misses late. He is tired. Name me a game that we have closed out emphatically, against a good team, over the past 3 years.

Edit: Oakland is the only one that comes to mind.

URI at home.
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(02-02-2018 01:55 PM)757ODU Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 01:54 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Caver had a wide open wing 3 on our first real possession of the game (not including Randy off the tip) and he left it short. He wasn't tired, then. He has a very flat shot and those will often come up short.

What did he do on the next one?

Made it, then missed the next 5. Cavers shot in the first half is as flat as you could possibly get. If it got flatter in the 2nd half, its height would never reach above the bottom of the rim.
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(02-02-2018 01:59 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 01:54 PM)757ODU Wrote:  This has been consistent with Caver over two years. Starts hot and misses late. He is tired. Name me a game that we have closed out emphatically, against a good team, over the past 3 years.

Edit: Oakland is the only one that comes to mind.

URI at home.

Yea. Blowout. I am not taking anything away from blowing out good teams. I am trying to think crunch time. Trust me, I am not picking my spots here. I want this to work because I am a defense first guy. I want Jones to get it done, but he has to be better at the end of games.
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(02-02-2018 01:55 PM)757ODU Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 01:54 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Caver had a wide open wing 3 on our first real possession of the game (not including Randy off the tip) and he left it short. He wasn't tired, then. He has a very flat shot and those will often come up short.

What did he do on the next one?

Made it, then missed the next 5. Cavers shot in the first half is as flat as you could possibly get. If it got flatter in the 2nd half, its height would never reach above the bottom of the rim.

It barely got the rim. Watch again if you need to.
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(02-02-2018 02:02 PM)757ODU Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 02:01 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 01:55 PM)757ODU Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 01:54 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Caver had a wide open wing 3 on our first real possession of the game (not including Randy off the tip) and he left it short. He wasn't tired, then. He has a very flat shot and those will often come up short.

What did he do on the next one?

Made it, then missed the next 5. Cavers shot in the first half is as flat as you could possibly get. If it got flatter in the 2nd half, its height would never reach above the bottom of the rim.

It barely got the rim. Watch again if you need to.

Which shots of his don't barely get the rim?
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(02-02-2018 01:55 PM)757ODU Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 01:54 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Caver had a wide open wing 3 on our first real possession of the game (not including Randy off the tip) and he left it short. He wasn't tired, then. He has a very flat shot and those will often come up short.

What did he do on the next one?

He made his only one of the game. I'm not saying he doesn't get tired. And, yes, the blame of having to play 40 minutes every game is on Jeff's inability to recruit a backup PG. I'm not arguing that fact. But, the reality is he's shooting 32% on the year from deep. Randy is shooting 30%. Not all of those misses are coming late. BJ is the only respectable shooter we have from behind the arc, and he is 2 for his last 16.
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(02-02-2018 02:03 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 02:02 PM)757ODU Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 02:01 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 01:55 PM)757ODU Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 01:54 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Caver had a wide open wing 3 on our first real possession of the game (not including Randy off the tip) and he left it short. He wasn't tired, then. He has a very flat shot and those will often come up short.

What did he do on the next one?

Made it, then missed the next 5. Cavers shot in the first half is as flat as you could possibly get. If it got flatter in the 2nd half, its height would never reach above the bottom of the rim.

It barely got the rim. Watch again if you need to.

Which shots of his don't barely get the rim?

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(02-02-2018 02:02 PM)757ODU Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 02:01 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 01:55 PM)757ODU Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 01:54 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Caver had a wide open wing 3 on our first real possession of the game (not including Randy off the tip) and he left it short. He wasn't tired, then. He has a very flat shot and those will often come up short.

What did he do on the next one?

Made it, then missed the next 5. Cavers shot in the first half is as flat as you could possibly get. If it got flatter in the 2nd half, its height would never reach above the bottom of the rim.

It barely got the rim. Watch again if you need to.

There was one in the 2nd half that was not over the rim at any point, but I'm fairly sure that was relatively early in the 2nd half.
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(02-02-2018 02:05 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 02:02 PM)757ODU Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 02:01 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 01:55 PM)757ODU Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 01:54 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Caver had a wide open wing 3 on our first real possession of the game (not including Randy off the tip) and he left it short. He wasn't tired, then. He has a very flat shot and those will often come up short.

What did he do on the next one?

Made it, then missed the next 5. Cavers shot in the first half is as flat as you could possibly get. If it got flatter in the 2nd half, its height would never reach above the bottom of the rim.

It barely got the rim. Watch again if you need to.

There was one in the 2nd half that was not over the rim at any point, but I'm fairly sure that was relatively early in the 2nd half.

What I am getting at is that the time adds up over the year.
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(02-02-2018 02:03 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 01:55 PM)757ODU Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 01:54 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Caver had a wide open wing 3 on our first real possession of the game (not including Randy off the tip) and he left it short. He wasn't tired, then. He has a very flat shot and those will often come up short.

What did he do on the next one?

He made his only one of the game. I'm not saying he doesn't get tired. And, yes, the blame of having to play 40 minutes every game is on Jeff's inability to recruit a backup PG. I'm not arguing that fact. But, the reality is he's shooting 32% on the year from deep. Randy is shooting 30%. Not all of those misses are coming late. BJ is the only respectable shooter we have from behind the arc, and he is 2 for his last 16.

Exactly. Jones deserves criticism for not having a backup point guard. The tired argument is just an attempt at confirmation bias. Caver has missed his 3s early, middle, and late. I would moreso criticize the late of shooting mechanics from Caver, Haynes, and Green...and really BJ too, although he somehow makes them at a decent clip.
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(02-02-2018 02:01 PM)757ODU Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 01:59 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 01:54 PM)757ODU Wrote:  This has been consistent with Caver over two years. Starts hot and misses late. He is tired. Name me a game that we have closed out emphatically, against a good team, over the past 3 years.

Edit: Oakland is the only one that comes to mind.

URI at home.

Yea. Blowout. I am not taking anything away from blowing out good teams. I am trying to think crunch time. Trust me, I am not picking my spots here. I want this to work because I am a defense first guy. I want Jones to get it done, but he has to be better at the end of games.

FWIW, Rhode Island was not a blow out. We won by something like 6 and it was a 3 point game with aobut 4-5 mins left on the clock.
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