(01-09-2018 05:34 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 05:14 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 05:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 05:00 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 04:50 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Let me explain it to you. Your monthly premiums are in anticipation of this years expenses.

When Trump ended the mandate, he changed Obamacare to Trumpcare. Now it's on him and your health care increases are directly tied to what Trump signed.

Thats a lie.

Trump signed the mandate in December. The rates were finalized well before that happened. Carriers and the states have said the rates for this year are not do to what Trump may do. The rates are due to the current state of Obamacare.

So the insurance companies had no idea that Trump has been our president for over a year now?

Gruber gonna gruber

FFS, sometimes I try to give him the benefit of the doubt and they he goes and types something like that.......

that ol' boy is in the 'almost juarez' yooper masochist chow line.....he begs for it.....

(01-09-2018 05:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 05:00 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 04:50 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 04:47 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 04:44 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  really? when was Trumpcare passed?

Shhh. It's best just to humor him.

Let me explain it to you. Your monthly premiums are in anticipation of this years expenses.

When Trump ended the mandate, he changed Obamacare to Trumpcare. Now it's on him and your health care increases are directly tied to what Trump signed.

Thats a lie.

Trump signed the mandate in December. The rates were finalized well before that happened. Carriers and the states have said the rates for this year are not do to what Trump may do. The rates are due to the current state of Obamacare.

So the insurance companies had no idea that Trump has been our president for over a year now?

no, democrats in lock step vote for the obama disaster and also against getting rid of the obama disaster

democrats own it

(01-09-2018 04:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 04:43 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 04:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's Trumpcare now brother. Enjoy.

Once it kicks in it can't be any worse!

Really?

Oh it's going to get worse I can almost guarantee it.

What do you base that almost guarantee on?

(01-09-2018 05:44 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 04:39 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  Just logged in to our company healthcare site.

Man, my individual and family out-of-pocket amounts have gone through the roof!!!

I mean, they were high last year given that my now-deceased Cadillac plan in the past had ZERO $$ out-of-pocket, but now! Whew!


Thanks for making sure our family's healthcare options are non-existent even though I pay recently-increased premiums!


What a great deal!

What was that promise? Oh yeah...

You have health insurance? Must be nice...

Given that I pay ALOT more and I can't afford to actually use the benefit, yeah, it's pretty darn nice.

(01-09-2018 05:44 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 04:39 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  Just logged in to our company healthcare site.

Man, my individual and family out-of-pocket amounts have gone through the roof!!!

I mean, they were high last year given that my now-deceased Cadillac plan in the past had ZERO $$ out-of-pocket, but now! Whew!


Thanks for making sure our family's healthcare options are non-existent even though I pay recently-increased premiums!


What a great deal!

What was that promise? Oh yeah...

You have health insurance? Must be nice...

Must have turned too old to stay on the parents policy.......there is an Obumblecare policy waiting for you. Why didn't you sign right up??

I don't know if it's been posted yet or not but the obamacare tax is still in place for 2018. So on top of the prices being set before repeal became law, saying the mandate repeal would affect 2018 is just factually incorrect

Obama's 3 biggest legacies:
1. Healthcare
2. Iran Nuclear Deal
3. Donald Trump

(01-09-2018 09:21 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  Obama's 3 biggest legacies:
1. Healthcare
2. Iran Nuclear Deal
3. Donald Trump

a. cash for clunkers was the his best ponzi that jump started that list....

those that aren't dealing drugs in the hood are now driving vehicles only found in TJ or have holes in their so(u)les....

(01-09-2018 05:44 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 04:39 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  Just logged in to our company healthcare site.

Man, my individual and family out-of-pocket amounts have gone through the roof!!!

I mean, they were high last year given that my now-deceased Cadillac plan in the past had ZERO $$ out-of-pocket, but now! Whew!


Thanks for making sure our family's healthcare options are non-existent even though I pay recently-increased premiums!


What a great deal! I

What was that promise? Oh yeah...

You have health insurance? Must be nice...

Yeah it's nice but my premiums have gone up the last 4 or 5 years. To the point I wonder if it was cheaper to pocket the money, pay the fine, and pay outta pocket.

(01-09-2018 05:44 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 04:39 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  Just logged in to our company healthcare site.

Man, my individual and family out-of-pocket amounts have gone through the roof!!!

I mean, they were high last year given that my now-deceased Cadillac plan in the past had ZERO $$ out-of-pocket, but now! Whew!


Thanks for making sure our family's healthcare options are non-existent even though I pay recently-increased premiums!


What a great deal!

What was that promise? Oh yeah...

You have health insurance? Must be nice...

What's really nice is when folks like you like to make those of us with insurance feel bad because you don't. Ahem not my problem. I needed insurance I got insurance. It's called being an adult.

(01-09-2018 04:50 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 04:47 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 04:44 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 04:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's Trumpcare now brother. Enjoy.

really? when was Trumpcare passed?

Shhh. It's best just to humor him.

Let me explain it to you. Your monthly premiums are in anticipation of this years expenses.

When Trump ended the mandate, he changed Obamacare to Trumpcare. Now it's on him and your health care increases are directly tied to what Trump signed.

Welcome to Trumpcare

The Experts said this would happen and now it's happening so don't blame Obama. This is on Trump.

lol. If he triples my premiums in 3 years you can call Trump and Obama even. My guess is as soon as we get rid ObamaScam and replace it with real insurance on a sustainable cost/benefit structure, prices will begin falling rapidly.

1. Insurance corridors

2. Destabilization of insurance markets.

Companies are not in business to lose money. This was as easy to predict as the sun rising in the east and it was intentional and by design.

(01-09-2018 05:44 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 04:39 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  Just logged in to our company healthcare site.
Man, my individual and family out-of-pocket amounts have gone through the roof!!!
I mean, they were high last year given that my now-deceased Cadillac plan in the past had ZERO $$ out-of-pocket, but now! Whew!
Thanks for making sure our family's healthcare options are non-existent even though I pay recently-increased premiums!
What a great deal!
What was that promise? Oh yeah...

You have health insurance? Must be nice...

You don't? I guess Obamacare didn't work for you. I guess this also means Obama didn't pay off your mortgage or your car note.

(01-10-2018 06:22 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  1. Insurance corridors

2. Destabilization of insurance markets.

Companies are not in business to lose money. This was as easy to predict as the sun rising in the east and it was intentional and by design.

Why would someone work for somebody else and not want to profit?

(01-10-2018 06:22 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  1. Insurance corridors

2. Destabilization of insurance markets.

Companies are not in business to lose money. This was as easy to predict as the sun rising in the east and it was intentional and by design.

This is what we all said when Obumblecare was passed as it never addressed the supply side of care - just added a bunch of people NOT PAYING to the roles and squeezed the lower middle class into unaffordability.....

All it did was add a bunch more requirements and attempted to shift the cost from the healthy to the unhealthy.......except the penalty for not getting insurance was always way less costly than the dogshit, cover everything, Obumblecare requirements.......

The right has thrown the kitchen sink to destabilize the ACA then has the audacity to ***** when they were successful. You can’t make this stuff up. And it obviously works!!!!! You voted for this. You cheered. You own it! It’s not the ACA anymore. Deal with it. It’s Trumpcare. Own it. The GOP controls all three branches and have dismantled it. Remember Trump touting they repealed Obamacare. Anyone?

(01-10-2018 08:56 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The right has thrown the kitchen sink to destabilize the ACA then has the audacity to ***** when they were successful. You can’t make this stuff up. And it obviously works!!!!! You voted for this. You cheered. You own it! It’s not the ACA anymore. Deal with it. It’s Trumpcare. Own it. The GOP controls all three branches and have dismantled it. Remember Trump touting they repealed Obamacare. Anyone?

Nope. Still the shitshow that is Obamacare!! Removing the penalty did almost nothing - it was so low it never "forced" the healthy young to spend a bunch of money for an insurance plan that did nothing for them.........

Aw look now there's someone trying to make the ACA work or defunct it, the water carriers can safely cheer and say, this was not OUR president's fault. You know the same one who made sure it hit the floor with his party there while the right side was at home with their families. Because Christmas and all.

(01-10-2018 08:56 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The right has thrown the kitchen sink to destabilize the ACA then has the audacity to ***** when they were successful. You can’t make this stuff up. And it obviously works!!!!! You voted for this. You cheered. You own it! It’s not the ACA anymore. Deal with it. It’s Trumpcare. Own it. The GOP controls all three branches and have dismantled it. Remember Trump touting they repealed Obamacare. Anyone?

You can climb to the highest mountain, grab a megaphone and start screaming, but that won't magically change a false premise to truth.

(01-10-2018 08:56 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The right has thrown the kitchen sink to destabilize the ACA then has the audacity to ***** when they were successful. You can’t make this stuff up. And it obviously works!!!!! You voted for this. You cheered. You own it! It’s not the ACA anymore. Deal with it. It’s Trumpcare. Own it. The GOP controls all three branches and have dismantled it. Remember Trump touting they repealed Obamacare. Anyone?

You do realize that premiums, even in the face of the $2,500 per year lie, have increased EVERY year since ObamaCare was passed, right?

I know you do. How could you not? Unless you intentionally blinded yourself to the numbers as they came out.

First, my cadillac plan was killed. That happened once ObamaCare was passed prior to its enactment.

Then premiums began to rise -- year over year -- every year.

Co-pays began to rise.

Out-of-pocket REALLY began to rise.

And each year it's been harder for my family to afford medical care. We make sure our daughter sees the doctor as necessary. And I encourage my wife to go. At least annual physicals are covered.

But she and I just don't go to the doctor any more.

You can try to blame that on Trump but I really thought you had more integrity than that.