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try it, you might like it.
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While Premiums Soar Under Obamacare, Costs of Employer-Based Plans Are Stable

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/19/healt...loyer.html

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/...h-care-act
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(01-10-2018 02:01 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  They've always rose. Obamacare was trying to flatten them and it WAS working until the GOP sabotaged it. I also want to make the point that one guy had links to back up his point.

Average increase of individual healthcare premiums per year before oblundercare: $8.00
average increase of individual healthcare premiums per year during oblundercare: $49.00

so tell me again how oblundercare was trying to flatten them up? 07-coffee3
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(01-10-2018 02:04 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  While Premiums Soar Under Obamacare, Costs of Employer-Based Plans Are Stable

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/19/healt...loyer.html

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/...h-care-act

But but but Obamacare wasn't about the people that already had insurance through their employer....it was about the gabillion of uninsured people, whether they wanted insurance or not.

I'm not sure I get why proof of stability of rates in corporate policies is a gold star for Obamacare.

Look, the things that Obamacare did that I like was removing the lifetime max and getting rid of pre-existing conditions, but that is where the positives end for me.
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(01-10-2018 01:41 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  From the no shyt SHERLOCK files.......................
http://www.newsweek.com/obamacare-tax-pl...ans-750871
REPUBLICAN TAX PLAN WILL MAKE HEALTH INSURANCE MORE EXPENSIVE
GOPers Please do me a favor before starting any anti Obamacare thread. Google how Republicans have made health insurance more expensive. Literally 100 articles. CLAIM
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Hmm, let’s see. Let’s apply the standard you enunciate to the post you made.

You do in fact state a claim.
But the “evidence” you cite in support is opinion, not fact, and it says “could” and not will. Therefore it does not support your claim.

Now let me express an opinion, which I will clearly identify as such. Repealing the mandate is an incredibly stupid policy move. It’s a ticking time bomb that could destroy the health insurance industry unless republicans can pass some major revision to health care first. And democrats, who care more about winning elections than doing the right thing, will certainly sabotage any republican efforts to fix things before they crater.

Maybe this will work for the best. There is a solution to the republican quandary. It’s called Bismarck, and if republicans put it on the table, it’s goung to be hard for democrats to oppose without revealing their welfare plantation mentality.
01-10-2018 02:09 PM
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(01-10-2018 02:04 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  While Premiums Soar Under Obamacare, Costs of Employer-Based Plans Are Stable

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/19/healt...loyer.html

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/...h-care-act

They soar under Obamacare because that is what they were designed to do.
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(01-10-2018 02:09 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 01:41 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  From the no shyt SHERLOCK files.......................
http://www.newsweek.com/obamacare-tax-pl...ans-750871
REPUBLICAN TAX PLAN WILL MAKE HEALTH INSURANCE MORE EXPENSIVE
GOPers Please do me a favor before starting any anti Obamacare thread. Google how Republicans have made health insurance more expensive. Literally 100 articles. CLAIM
EVIDENCE
SUPPORT

Hmm, let’s see. Let’s apply the standard you enunciate to the post you made.

You do in fact state a claim.
But the “evidence” you cite in support is opinion, not fact, and it says “could” and not will. Therefore it does not support your claim.

Now let me express an opinion, which I will clearly identify as such. Repealing the mandate is an incredibly stupid policy move. It’s a ticking time bomb that could destroy the health insurance industry unless republicans can pass some major revision to health care first. And democrats, who care more about winning elections than doing the right thing, will certainly sabotage any republican efforts to fix things before they crater.

Maybe this will work for the best. There is a solution to the republican quandary. It’s called Bismarck, and if republicans put it on the table, it’s goung to be hard for democrats to oppose without revealing their welfare plantation mentality.

that's spot on with the exception their slave ownership has already been exposed.....

told ya I'd vote for ya....

in the meantime, give it a year and plug that bug into DJT's brain for round/yr 3 after the midterms play out (lazytom and msm views not relevant)

'best method' healthcare reform and amending the constitution relative to term limits will be there for the taking.....
01-10-2018 02:20 PM
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(01-10-2018 02:04 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  While Premiums Soar Under Obamacare, Costs of Employer-Based Plans Are Stable

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/19/healt...loyer.html

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/...h-care-act

The annual premium for family coverage rose an average of 3 percent to $18,764 this year, according the Kaiser Family Foundation,

LOL!!!! Did you even read what the outrageous level the employer plans "stableized" at? Nearly $19,000 a year per family!! That's about $1600 a month---bigger than many peoples mortgage and likely the largest expense in many budgets. Keep in mind, the median household income today is only $53K. So, 35% of all household income is eaten up by Obama's ridiculous disaster. There has never been a more disastrous president than Obama.
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and the trail has now gone cold... mach is nowhere to be found.
01-10-2018 02:45 PM
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I’m teaching a class goofball. Now I say that with levity because I am trying to turn a new leaf. I also am on record that I hope we end up with a Bismarck plan too.
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I also propose we pay for it with a VAT.
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(01-10-2018 02:58 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I also propose we pay for it with a VAT.

abso-dadgum-lutely....

it's a better method to secure funds w/o the escape of evasion....
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(01-10-2018 02:57 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I’m teaching a class goofball. Now I say that with levity because I am trying to turn a new leaf. I also am on record that I hope we end up with a Bismarck plan too.

another damn teacher... for ****'s sake. 07-coffee3
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(01-09-2018 04:44 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 04:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's Trumpcare now brother. Enjoy.

really? when was Trumpcare passed? 07-coffee3

See, I told you he wasn't too bright. As far as I know the mandate was the only thing removed. You still have your wonderful Oblundercare until it is entirely destroyed for something better. Something better is pretty much anything.
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Yes. what sh!tty politian should we blame for the sh!tty state of our health care system? This accomplished a lot. I say a pox on both houses.
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(01-10-2018 03:55 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 04:44 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 04:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's Trumpcare now brother. Enjoy.

really? when was Trumpcare passed? 07-coffee3

See, I told you he wasn't too bright. As far as I know the mandate was the only thing removed. You still have your wonderful Oblundercare until it is entirely destroyed for something better. Something better is pretty much anything.

The republicans have been saying they are going to repeal and replace for how long now?

But go ahead and keep blaming Obama. I'm sure that is exactly what they want you to do.
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(01-10-2018 04:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 03:55 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 04:44 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 04:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's Trumpcare now brother. Enjoy.
really? when was Trumpcare passed? 07-coffee3
See, I told you he wasn't too bright. As far as I know the mandate was the only thing removed. You still have your wonderful Oblundercare until it is entirely destroyed for something better. Something better is pretty much anything.
The republicans have been saying they are going to repeal and replace for how long now?
But go ahead and keep blaming Obama. I'm sure that is exactly what they want you to do.

Render unto Obama the blame for the things Obama did. Render unto the republicans the blame for the things they did.
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(01-10-2018 04:47 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 04:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 03:55 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 04:44 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 04:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's Trumpcare now brother. Enjoy.
really? when was Trumpcare passed? 07-coffee3
See, I told you he wasn't too bright. As far as I know the mandate was the only thing removed. You still have your wonderful Oblundercare until it is entirely destroyed for something better. Something better is pretty much anything.
The republicans have been saying they are going to repeal and replace for how long now?
But go ahead and keep blaming Obama. I'm sure that is exactly what they want you to do.

Render unto Obama the blame for the things Obama did. Render unto the republicans the blame for the things they did.

Obama did something. Republicans did nothing.

Did some of what Obama did hurt some people? Yes. But it also helped a lot of people. There are two sides to every coin.

The Republicans sat on their hands and when they had the power to do something about it. They didn't.

That is a fact.
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(01-10-2018 02:01 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  They've always rose. Obamacare was trying to flatten them and it WAS working until the GOP sabotaged it. I also want to make the point that one guy had links to back up his point.

Obama said they would decrease by $2,500 per family. Did that happen? Or did they increase?

The premiums for my cadillac plan rarely saw increases. I definitely didn't see changes in copays, out-of-pocket.

But keep telling yourself whatever you have to.
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(01-10-2018 04:55 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 02:01 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  They've always rose. Obamacare was trying to flatten them and it WAS working until the GOP sabotaged it. I also want to make the point that one guy had links to back up his point.

Obama said they would decrease by $2,500 per family. Did that happen? Or did they increase?

The premiums for my cadillac plan rarely saw increases. I definitely didn't see changes in copays, out-of-pocket.

But keep telling yourself whatever you have to.

Yes you are correct.

Premiums did actually increase. Did you honestly believe that your premiums would go down?

I didn't.

I was still glad that my premiums didn't rise as much as they had in the 8 years under Bush.

Consider where you would be if Obamacare never happened.
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