My guess is still that we now have our version of Shane Morris.

(01-04-2018 01:00 PM)emu steve Wrote:  My guess is still that we now have our version of Shane Morris.

Certainly hope not. If so, we just need to groom our young guys. Morris threw 17 picks and had little mobility. For all of his struggles this season, Roback 'only' threw 15.

We need the opposite of Morris/Roback. A QB with mobility, who also protects the football, first and foremost.

(01-04-2018 01:38 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 01:00 PM)emu steve Wrote:  My guess is still that we now have our version of Shane Morris.

Certainly hope not. If so, we just need to groom our young guys. Morris threw 17 picks and had little mobility. For all of his struggles this season, Roback 'only' threw 15.

We need the opposite of Morris/Roback. A QB with mobility, who also protects the football, first and foremost.

Agree, why does everyone think Shane Morris was some MAC killer? Ohh because he formerly went to that school down the road. Garbage!


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(01-04-2018 11:40 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  Are we counting out Steibeling?

At this point they're all in the mix, except maybe Skupin.

Don't overlook Hutchinson either.

(01-04-2018 01:38 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 01:00 PM)emu steve Wrote:  My guess is still that we now have our version of Shane Morris.

Certainly hope not. If so, we just need to groom our young guys. Morris threw 17 picks and had little mobility. For all of his struggles this season, Roback 'only' threw 15.

We need the opposite of Morris/Roback. A QB with mobility, who also protects the football, first and foremost.

Think we 'll see both Wiegers and Grissom.

(01-04-2018 04:10 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 12:00 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 08:17 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  Just because the guy is a Big Ten player hardly qualifies him as a stud in the MAC, witnessed by Samuelson. Unfortunately thanks to all of our close games this year, no QB had a chance to play and no one truly knows what we have. A local guy who wants to be here in 2018, what's to lose?

Jerry, I thing Samuelson and Wiegers are entirely different.

Jerry, let me explain my comment:

Rather than go through a long discussion of playing time for backup QBs, OL, RB, WR, etc.

Wiegers didn't play much but made the 2-deeps at QB. Such is the life of a backup QB. Samuelson, OTOH, would have had his chances at OL but didn't make the 2-deeps and didn't get PT at OL.

That was a clue as to his abilities.

I'll take any B1G athlete who makes the 2-deeps. Second stringers in the B1G can play. Every indication is that Wiegers can play.

Hey Steve I still like him as well as I appreciate your explanation, it is spot on. There were many times this year when Roback could have gained yards with his legs and chose not to. Due to our unproven depth at QB, Creighton and many like me failed to call him out because of injury fears. At worst Wiegers should be provide us with some security should Stiebeling or whomever get hurt. This is nothing but good news.

(01-04-2018 04:10 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 12:00 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 08:17 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  Just because the guy is a Big Ten player hardly qualifies him as a stud in the MAC, witnessed by Samuelson. Unfortunately thanks to all of our close games this year, no QB had a chance to play and no one truly knows what we have. A local guy who wants to be here in 2018, what's to lose?

Jerry, I thing Samuelson and Wiegers are entirely different.

Jerry, let me explain my comment:

Rather than go through a long discussion of playing time for backup QBs, OL, RB, WR, etc.

Wiegers didn't play much but made the 2-deeps at QB. Such is the life of a backup QB. Samuelson, OTOH, would have had his chances at OL but didn't make the 2-deeps and didn't get PT at OL.

That was a clue as to his abilities.

I'll take any B1G athlete who makes the 2-deeps. Second stringers in the B1G can play. Every indication is that Wiegers can play.

Not necessarily. Wasn't that QB from PSU once their starter?

(01-04-2018 09:39 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 04:10 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 12:00 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 08:17 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  Just because the guy is a Big Ten player hardly qualifies him as a stud in the MAC, witnessed by Samuelson. Unfortunately thanks to all of our close games this year, no QB had a chance to play and no one truly knows what we have. A local guy who wants to be here in 2018, what's to lose?

Jerry, I thing Samuelson and Wiegers are entirely different.

Jerry, let me explain my comment:

Rather than go through a long discussion of playing time for backup QBs, OL, RB, WR, etc.

Wiegers didn't play much but made the 2-deeps at QB. Such is the life of a backup QB. Samuelson, OTOH, would have had his chances at OL but didn't make the 2-deeps and didn't get PT at OL.

That was a clue as to his abilities.

I'll take any B1G athlete who makes the 2-deeps. Second stringers in the B1G can play. Every indication is that Wiegers can play.

Not necessarily. Wasn't that QB from PSU once their starter?

Also, zero indication Wiegers can actually play in a real game. Apparently he can compete in practice, and 'almost' win the job, but he hasn't even seen any mop up duty in a real game in 4 years.

The closest thing to a real game was this year's Spring Game where he went 12 of 23 for 99 yards with 2 interceptions.

(01-04-2018 01:38 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 01:00 PM)emu steve Wrote:  My guess is still that we now have our version of Shane Morris.

Certainly hope not. If so, we just need to groom our young guys. Morris threw 17 picks and had little mobility. For all of his struggles this season, Roback 'only' threw 15.

We need the opposite of Morris/Roback. A QB with mobility, who also protects the football, first and foremost.

I see things a bit differently:

I would like a Cam Newton but do we have one of the roster? No.

First, I think we are asking/expecting TOO much too much of a true frosh QB, like Grissom, Jackson, etc. or even a very inexperienced QB like Steibeling. Steibeling survived against BOWLING GREEN, who had never seen him before, etc. etc. He is many years behind Roback in development. Put him up against NIU, WMU, TOL, etc and he'd probably not look as good.

We are NOT in rebuild mode, but trying to get to a bowl. We need to replace a many year starting QB without going through 'growing pains' with the new guy.

Second, there is no reason, NOW THAT we have a lot of QB talent ready to go, to not have a pro style and dual threat QB. Wiegers can be the first and Grisson and (?) the other. This strategy is dependent on a dual threat QB being ready to play. Is Grissom the only high talent dual threat QB on the roster?

Third, it appears (to me) that the strategy was to go all the way with Roback and the 2nd stringer would get mope up duty. There wasn't really any mope up with so many games nail biters. The QB battle was deferred until 2018.

Fourth, the QB battle in earnest will be in 2019 after Wiegers is gone. Wiegers' backup will led the charge in spring ball. I assume Wiegers with his experience is odds on favorite to win the start. Putting a frosh QB in vs. Purdue, SDSU, Army, TOL, NIU, WMU, etc. is not something I like.

Fifth, I see no problems with Wiegers being another Shane Morris. Here are his, Morris' stats for 2017. He finished FOURTH in passing efficiency in the MAC. Nothing wrong being #4 out of a 12-team conference. Some of the frosh, e.g., Grissom, Jackson, etc. might be well served to be backup QBs as true frosh. Tossing a TRUE frosh into a starting QB role usually spells disaster. That is not what a HC normally wants (fans might love the fantasy of him being good as a frosh, 'gooder' as a soph, 'more gooder' as a junior, etc.). More like 'fair' as a frosh, 'okay' as a soph and then maybe good.

Sixth, I just can't believe the expectations folks here have for a frosh QB (e.g., Jackson). Wiegers was a 3 or 4 star QB with years of B1G experience (even though not game action). Jackson will be a frosh 2 star QB. Maybe, Jackson becomes a good MAC QB. I don't know. But the expectations, based on his h.s. performance and recruiting, are that he is a prospect for the future, not someone to step in as a true frosh and lead a winning team.

Seventh, here are the QB stats from the MAC site. I have NO problems with Morris' stats. I'm sure a half dozen teams would have been glad to have him.


PASS EFFICIENCY Cl G Comp-Att-Int Pct. Yards TD Long Effic.
1. WOODSIDE, Logan-TOLEDO SR 14 264 - 411 - 8 64.2 3882 28 89 162.2
2. RAGLAND, Gus-MIAMI JR 9 150 - 269 - 7 55.8 2032 19 55 137.3
3. Rourke, Nathan-OHIO SO 13 161 - 292 - 7 55.1 2203 17 58 132.9
4. MORRIS, Shane-CMU SR 13 249 - 446 - 17 55.8 3237 27 77 129.1
5. ROBACK, Brogan-EMU SR 12 245 - 409 - 15 59.9 2890 19 74 127.3
6. CHILDERS, Marcu-NIU FR 12 152 - 265 - 5 57.4 1674 16 73 126.6
7. CRUM, Dustin-KENT FR 10 16 - 30 - 2 53.3 232 1 75 116.0
8. BOLLAS, George-KENT JR 11 88 - 182 - 12 48.4 1133 4 84 94.7
9. MILAS, Jack-BALL SR 12 110 - 207 - 8 53.1 970 2 47 88.0

Eighth, if Grissom is the second coming of Cam Newton I'll be glad to admit I was wrong and will drink to it while planning to attend a bowl game. :)

(01-05-2018 06:32 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 01:38 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 01:00 PM)emu steve Wrote:  My guess is still that we now have our version of Shane Morris.

Certainly hope not. If so, we just need to groom our young guys. Morris threw 17 picks and had little mobility. For all of his struggles this season, Roback 'only' threw 15.

We need the opposite of Morris/Roback. A QB with mobility, who also protects the football, first and foremost.

I see things a bit differently:

I would like a Cam Newton but do we have one of the roster? No.

First, I think we are asking/expecting TOO much too much of a true frosh QB, like Grissom, Jackson, etc. or even a very inexperienced QB like Steibeling. Steibeling survived against BOWLING GREEN, who had never seen him before, etc. etc. He is many years behind Roback in development. Put him up against NIU, WMU, TOL, etc and he'd probably not look as good.

We are NOT in rebuild mode, but trying to get to a bowl. We need to replace a many year starting QB without going through 'growing pains' with the new guy.

Second, there is no reason, NOW THAT we have a lot of QB talent ready to go, to not have a pro style and dual threat QB. Wiegers can be the first and Grisson and (?) the other. This strategy is dependent on a dual threat QB being ready to play. Is Grissom the only high talent dual threat QB on the roster?

Third, it appears (to me) that the strategy was to go all the way with Roback and the 2nd stringer would get mope up duty. There wasn't really any mope up with so many games nail biters. The QB battle was deferred until 2018.

Fourth, the QB battle in earnest will be in 2019 after Wiegers is gone. Wiegers' backup will led the charge in spring ball. I assume Wiegers with his experience is odds on favorite to win the start. Putting a frosh QB in vs. Purdue, SDSU, Army, TOL, NIU, WMU, etc. is not something I like.

Fifth, I see no problems with Wiegers being another Shane Morris. Here are his, Morris' stats for 2017. He finished FOURTH in passing efficiency in the MAC. Nothing wrong being #4 out of a 12-team conference. Some of the frosh, e.g., Grissom, Jackson, etc. might be well served to be backup QBs as true frosh. Tossing a TRUE frosh into a starting QB role usually spells disaster. That is not what a HC normally wants (fans might love the fantasy of him being good as a frosh, 'gooder' as a soph, 'more gooder' as a junior, etc.). More like 'fair' as a frosh, 'okay' as a soph and then maybe good.

Sixth, I just can't believe the expectations folks here have for a frosh QB (e.g., Jackson). Wiegers was a 3 or 4 star QB with years of B1G experience (even though not game action). Jackson will be a frosh 2 star QB. Maybe, Jackson becomes a good MAC QB. I don't know. But the expectations, based on his h.s. performance and recruiting, are that he is a prospect for the future, not someone to step in as a true frosh and lead a winning team.

Seventh, here are the QB stats from the MAC site. I have NO problems with Morris' stats. I'm sure a half dozen teams would have been glad to have him.


PASS EFFICIENCY Cl G Comp-Att-Int Pct. Yards TD Long Effic.
1. WOODSIDE, Logan-TOLEDO SR 14 264 - 411 - 8 64.2 3882 28 89 162.2
2. RAGLAND, Gus-MIAMI JR 9 150 - 269 - 7 55.8 2032 19 55 137.3
3. Rourke, Nathan-OHIO SO 13 161 - 292 - 7 55.1 2203 17 58 132.9
4. MORRIS, Shane-CMU SR 13 249 - 446 - 17 55.8 3237 27 77 129.1
5. ROBACK, Brogan-EMU SR 12 245 - 409 - 15 59.9 2890 19 74 127.3
6. CHILDERS, Marcu-NIU FR 12 152 - 265 - 5 57.4 1674 16 73 126.6
7. CRUM, Dustin-KENT FR 10 16 - 30 - 2 53.3 232 1 75 116.0
8. BOLLAS, George-KENT JR 11 88 - 182 - 12 48.4 1133 4 84 94.7
9. MILAS, Jack-BALL SR 12 110 - 207 - 8 53.1 970 2 47 88.0

Eighth, if Grissom is the second coming of Cam Newton I'll be glad to admit I was wrong and will drink to it while planning to attend a bowl game. :)

You assume he wins the starting job thats a big assumption at this point likewise grissom

Look...anyone who thinks that Wiegers, a 6'4" 225, upper tier Big 10 grad QB is NOT going to win the job is living in fantasy land! Come on! He was a backup on very good teams, which unfortunately featured Jake Rudock and CJ Beathard. He could have beaten out Nathan Stanley but Iowa went with the younger guy-fair enough. He will be a man among boys and he will start at QB for EMU in 2018. Period. It is going to be great to see a guy who does his homework during the week and execute on game day! All Brogan Roback had to do was play smart football and EMU would been in the MAC championship and in a good bowl game.

(01-05-2018 09:14 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Look...anyone who thinks that Wiegers, a 6'4" 225, upper tier Big 10 grad QB is NOT going to win the job is living in fantasy land! Come on! He was a backup on very good teams, which unfortunately featured Jake Rudock and CJ Beathard. He could have beaten out Nathan Stanley but Iowa went with the younger guy-fair enough. He will be a man among boys and he will start at QB for EMU in 2018. Period. It is going to be great to see a guy who does his homework during the week and execute on game day! All Brogan Roback had to do was play smart football and EMU would been in the MAC championship and in a good bowl game.

I essentially agree with Bob here.

From everything i've read, there is no reason to believe that Wiegers isn't good enough to start for a number of B1G teams.

I would expect that his performance would be comparable (or better) than Roback's.

We are trying to get solid quarterbacking in 2018 while the next quarterback who will guide the team for a couple years is getting ready.

It would be a shame for the 2018 EMU team to miss a bowl because of inferior QB play as it transitions from a multi-year starter to his successor.

As we know, there are some good QBs in the MAC, but some teams really had mediocre quarterback play in 2017.

I don't want that to be us in 2018.

What I like is that there are options. We have depth at the quaterback position. We aren't an injury away from going 2-10.

We're just going to have to wait and see. Wiegers is going to have to earn the job, but if he's as good as Bob and Steve say, then it won't be a problem for him. But this isn't just going to be a coronation, he's going to have to work in camp/practice.

I'll be happy as long as the best QB gets the job.

https://twitter.com/dustinlnolan/status/...7886384130

Only video I can find so far, throws 2 picks. I don’t think anyone has enough information on any of our QBs to name an honest front runner. We are all going with secondary reports and high school rankings /statistics. Spring game will be worth showing up to.


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(01-05-2018 09:14 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Look...anyone who thinks that Wiegers, a 6'4" 225, upper tier Big 10 grad QB is NOT going to win the job is living in fantasy land! Come on! He was a backup on very good teams, which unfortunately featured Jake Rudock and CJ Beathard. He could have beaten out Nathan Stanley but Iowa went with the younger guy-fair enough. He will be a man among boys and he will start at QB for EMU in 2018. Period. It is going to be great to see a guy who does his homework during the week and execute on game day! All Brogan Roback had to do was play smart football and EMU would been in the MAC championship and in a good bowl game.

Bob you have made a living on this board a literal banquet of eating your own words

(01-05-2018 10:19 AM)EAGLE KING Wrote:  https://twitter.com/dustinlnolan/status/...7886384130

Only video I can find so far, throws 2 picks. I don’t think anyone has enough information on any of our QBs to name an honest front runner. We are all going with secondary reports and high school rankings /statistics. Spring game will be worth showing up to.


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I agree with you Frank and Dan a real world view not handing the position over to someone based on paper performances

(01-05-2018 11:03 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(01-05-2018 09:14 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Look...anyone who thinks that Wiegers, a 6'4" 225, upper tier Big 10 grad QB is NOT going to win the job is living in fantasy land! Come on! He was a backup on very good teams, which unfortunately featured Jake Rudock and CJ Beathard. He could have beaten out Nathan Stanley but Iowa went with the younger guy-fair enough. He will be a man among boys and he will start at QB for EMU in 2018. Period. It is going to be great to see a guy who does his homework during the week and execute on game day! All Brogan Roback had to do was play smart football and EMU would been in the MAC championship and in a good bowl game.

Bob you have made a living on this board a literal banquet of eating your own words

Reggie Bell!

What's that saying about a blind squirrel and a nut?

If Wiegers is our man, that's great, we'll all assume he's the best man for the job, after proving it on the field.

My question would be......are we trying to find the QB that best fits an offense and a system that's already in place? Or are we looking for the most talented QB, who we'll then build the system around?

Getting Wiegers is a good thing for the team. He gives the team an upperclassman in an inexperienced and young position group. I'm sure the coaches told him he'll have an opportunity to compete, but nothing will be given without earning. Remember, Rob Bolden was 3rd string after Bell and Roback after his transfer. Matt Bohnet worked out pretty well for us when he came from Iowa and became our starter. For all we know someone we arent even talking about will earn the job (Hutchinson?) Wiegers is his own person though and not Shane Morris or Rob Bolden. May the best man win the starting job. This position battle should be fun to keep an eye on over the next 8 months.