I do expect this to be a true competition. Remember, even after Rob Bolden transfered for Creighton's first season, he still went with Reggie Bell as the starter in the season opener.

Each man will have his shot.

(01-03-2018 08:17 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  Just because the guy is a Big Ten player hardly qualifies him as a stud in the MAC, witnessed by Samuelson. Unfortunately thanks to all of our close games this year, no QB had a chance to play and no one truly knows what we have. A local guy who wants to be here in 2018, what's to lose?

Jerry, I thing Samuelson and Wenger are entirely different.

(01-03-2018 07:17 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  I don't know, I'm all for competition, this just seems to be a bit of a square peg in a round hole. Wiegers is very much your pro-style/Iowa football (run 1st)/ pocket passer. Was looking forward to our offense and Keen evolving from the Roback days to a more forward thinking, dual-threat, multi-set, TE/HB incorporated, philosophy. Now we're going to try and build an Iowa/Michigan style offense around a 1 year transfer? I sure hope that's not the plan, because we're not magically going to get the production of the Iowa rushing offense.

Let's assume that Wiegers and the starting Iowa QB were very similar, and neck-and-neck to win the job.

https://www.landof10.com/iowa/iowa-quart...an-stanley

Stanley's stats on the year over 13 games were 196/351 (55.8%), 2432 yds, 26 TD's & 6 Int's. 49 rushes for -115 yds. Per game averages 15/27, 187 yds, 2 TD's, .5 Int's.

55.8% is OK, not great. 26/6 is really good! But if we were to only get 187 yards out of our pass offense/QB, do we really think we can become a 250+ yards per game running team? Seems like a huge stretch to me.

Again, if his arm talent, smarts, and maturity is head and shoulders above everyone else, I guess you borrow him for a year and build the offense to his strengths.

If he's not, let's evolve the offense and develop one of our young guys.

Bingo

(01-04-2018 12:00 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 08:17 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  Just because the guy is a Big Ten player hardly qualifies him as a stud in the MAC, witnessed by Samuelson. Unfortunately thanks to all of our close games this year, no QB had a chance to play and no one truly knows what we have. A local guy who wants to be here in 2018, what's to lose?

Jerry, I thing Samuelson and Wiegers are entirely different.

Jerry, let me explain my comment:

Rather than go through a long discussion of playing time for backup QBs, OL, RB, WR, etc.

Wiegers didn't play much but made the 2-deeps at QB. Such is the life of a backup QB. Samuelson, OTOH, would have had his chances at OL but didn't make the 2-deeps and didn't get PT at OL.

That was a clue as to his abilities.

I'll take any B1G athlete who makes the 2-deeps. Second stringers in the B1G can play. Every indication is that Wiegers can play.

I'm not a big fan of the marketing, salesmanship, etc. of CFB, but got a big online article in the Washington Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/co...061f729ff7

(01-03-2018 08:23 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Friends,
I am not as excited as some of you with this turn of events. Eastern hasn't had many grad transfers, but two that come to mind, the quarterback/receiver from Pennsylvania State via Louisiana State, and Dan Samuelson from U-M. Neither did anything to improve the position they played, and therefore the team overall. Grad transfers just don't do anything for me. It's like why didn't they choose Eastern in the first place, or transfer when it was obvious they weren't going to play for the team they chose. What is Coach Creighton looking for in a quarterback? Is it the dual-threat everyone has been talking about, or the drop back pro style. I hope he knows what he is doing.

I'm with you Ken, I like players who choose to play at EMU first and make it their first choice. This move seems a bit out of character for CC and more like a move English would make.

Maybe I'm ignorant but why can't Grissom play in the spring game or practice with the team?

I know a few players that have done this in the past with no scholarship.

(01-04-2018 08:15 AM)JonesGoddard Wrote:  Maybe I'm ignorant but why can't Grissom play in the spring game or practice with the team?

I know a few players that have done this in the past with no scholarship.

Excellent question especially if he was enrolled here at EMU in the fall. I envisioned a greyshirt situation where he would enroll when school started this month (January). Unless of course he didn't pass his fall classes??? Perhaps the Iowa transfer was hm an "insurance policy" due to Grissom's academic status? All sheer speculation on my part.

My guess is that he was not an academic qualifier and opted to sit out at EMU rather than do TWO years JUCO.

Non qualifiers can't practice or do spring ball.

I think it speaks to the quality of the program that people would SEEK out to transfer here. I feel like that's a positive. Wiegers and Bryant Koback aren't scrubs or wash outs - they're real players.

(01-04-2018 02:49 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 07:17 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  I don't know, I'm all for competition, this just seems to be a bit of a square peg in a round hole. Wiegers is very much your pro-style/Iowa football (run 1st)/ pocket passer. Was looking forward to our offense and Keen evolving from the Roback days to a more forward thinking, dual-threat, multi-set, TE/HB incorporated, philosophy. Now we're going to try and build an Iowa/Michigan style offense around a 1 year transfer? I sure hope that's not the plan, because we're not magically going to get the production of the Iowa rushing offense.

Let's assume that Wiegers and the starting Iowa QB were very similar, and neck-and-neck to win the job.

https://www.landof10.com/iowa/iowa-quart...an-stanley

Stanley's stats on the year over 13 games were 196/351 (55.8%), 2432 yds, 26 TD's & 6 Int's. 49 rushes for -115 yds. Per game averages 15/27, 187 yds, 2 TD's, .5 Int's.

55.8% is OK, not great. 26/6 is really good! But if we were to only get 187 yards out of our pass offense/QB, do we really think we can become a 250+ yards per game running team? Seems like a huge stretch to me.

Again, if his arm talent, smarts, and maturity is head and shoulders above everyone else, I guess you borrow him for a year and build the offense to his strengths.

If he's not, let's evolve the offense and develop one of our young guys.

Bingo

Stanley and Wiegers were neck and neck. The 2 previous Iowa QB's make a nice living in the NFL. Kirk Ferentz's offensive style is extremely conservative: Huge OL, establish the running game, and rely on extremely smart, confident QBs to manage the offense. I actually think Wiegers can put EMU over the top, if only for one season. His leadership will greatly benefit the lockeroom. This is great for the program. Wiegers is a man, not a petulant kid.

@emusteve,

So you're saying it would have started his "clock" so to prevent that he isn't practicing? Hopefully, he's paying to train with someone. If not, I have zero confidence that he'll be ready for any live action games.

(01-04-2018 09:36 AM)JonesGoddard Wrote:  @emusteve,

So you're saying it would have started his "clock" so to prevent that he isn't practicing? Hopefully, he's paying to train with someone. If not, I have zero confidence that he'll be ready for any live action games.

As I understand it (haven't researched it in recent years):

1). Grissom had the option of going JUCO for TWO years and graduate from there OR sitout one year, pay his own way, not be able to practice with the team or do spring ball. Must satisfactorily complete two semesters of academics. He must prove himself academically and the NCAA essentially takes the 'athlete' out of the student-athlete that 1st year.

2). IF Grissom completes his bachelor's degree within 4 years, he earns back his 4th year of athletic eligibility. That would be like him being a redshirt, but remember he has to earn the degree before getting the 4th year. That said, athletes have plenty of opportunities in spring and summer to earn extra credits.

One possible scenario:

1). Wiegers wins the starting job in 2018

2). Grissom plays the apprentice role in 2018, getting as playing time as can realistically worked in.

3). The QB position comes open again for 2019 and Grissom has a leg up..

Here is a better explanation of an 'academic redshirt' - essentially what was called a 'partial qualifier' years ago. Get to practice with the team and scholarship money, but not play in games.

This link does not discuss those recruits who fail to meet the requirements for an 'academic redshirt.' Some recruits do not meet the full requirements OR the 'academic redshirt' requirements and we'd call them years ago 'prop 48' meaning no money, no practice, no games, etc. first year. Many of them opted to go JUCO instead.

http://www.ncaa.org/student-athletes/pla...n-i-sports

Are we counting out Steibeling?

(01-04-2018 09:31 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 02:49 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 07:17 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  I don't know, I'm all for competition, this just seems to be a bit of a square peg in a round hole. Wiegers is very much your pro-style/Iowa football (run 1st)/ pocket passer. Was looking forward to our offense and Keen evolving from the Roback days to a more forward thinking, dual-threat, multi-set, TE/HB incorporated, philosophy. Now we're going to try and build an Iowa/Michigan style offense around a 1 year transfer? I sure hope that's not the plan, because we're not magically going to get the production of the Iowa rushing offense.

Let's assume that Wiegers and the starting Iowa QB were very similar, and neck-and-neck to win the job.

https://www.landof10.com/iowa/iowa-quart...an-stanley

Stanley's stats on the year over 13 games were 196/351 (55.8%), 2432 yds, 26 TD's & 6 Int's. 49 rushes for -115 yds. Per game averages 15/27, 187 yds, 2 TD's, .5 Int's.

55.8% is OK, not great. 26/6 is really good! But if we were to only get 187 yards out of our pass offense/QB, do we really think we can become a 250+ yards per game running team? Seems like a huge stretch to me.

Again, if his arm talent, smarts, and maturity is head and shoulders above everyone else, I guess you borrow him for a year and build the offense to his strengths.

If he's not, let's evolve the offense and develop one of our young guys.

Bingo

Stanley and Wiegers were neck and neck. The 2 previous Iowa QB's make a nice living in the NFL. Kirk Ferentz's offensive style is extremely conservative: Huge OL, establish the running game, and rely on extremely smart, confident QBs to manage the offense. I actually think Wiegers can put EMU over the top, if only for one season. His leadership will greatly benefit the lockeroom. This is great for the program. Wiegers is a man, not a petulant kid.

Slight problem. We don't have an Iowa OLine, an established running game, at least 2 TE's that can block, a FB or HB that can block, a pro style scheme, etc, etc, etc.

Also unlikely Wiegers is going to just walk in off the street and become a leader in the locker room. More likely, the team and especially the other QB's are going to look at him like a rent-a-QB. He also has ZERO real game time or stats at Iowa, so that also lends itself to existing players looking at him like 'who is this overrated Big10 guy?' Everything you read about him also says he's a very quiet type kid, which may actually work in his favor. Come in, work hard, lead by example, and if the overwhelming talent is there, his teammates will likely buy in. If not, he'll be a good backup for a year, and allow some redshirts for the young guys.

Maybe he overcomes ALL of this, but the odds seem very long, and the fit is questionable at best.

Good luck to all of them. Just give us 1 who is the clear leader heading into the season.

Can't forget about Mike Glass either. I don't think he'll win the starting job, but he has potential to be a solid backup... if he wants to stay.

I agree with many of you. If Wiegers is named the starter, he must be good enough to justify not giving the starting role to Grissom/Jackson/Stiebeling/Glass, who are the future of the program. It has to be worth it to let those players develop on the sideline rather than the field for one more season.

(01-04-2018 09:31 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 02:49 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 07:17 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  I don't know, I'm all for competition, this just seems to be a bit of a square peg in a round hole. Wiegers is very much your pro-style/Iowa football (run 1st)/ pocket passer. Was looking forward to our offense and Keen evolving from the Roback days to a more forward thinking, dual-threat, multi-set, TE/HB incorporated, philosophy. Now we're going to try and build an Iowa/Michigan style offense around a 1 year transfer? I sure hope that's not the plan, because we're not magically going to get the production of the Iowa rushing offense.

Let's assume that Wiegers and the starting Iowa QB were very similar, and neck-and-neck to win the job.

https://www.landof10.com/iowa/iowa-quart...an-stanley

Stanley's stats on the year over 13 games were 196/351 (55.8%), 2432 yds, 26 TD's & 6 Int's. 49 rushes for -115 yds. Per game averages 15/27, 187 yds, 2 TD's, .5 Int's.

55.8% is OK, not great. 26/6 is really good! But if we were to only get 187 yards out of our pass offense/QB, do we really think we can become a 250+ yards per game running team? Seems like a huge stretch to me.

Again, if his arm talent, smarts, and maturity is head and shoulders above everyone else, I guess you borrow him for a year and build the offense to his strengths.

If he's not, let's evolve the offense and develop one of our young guys.

Bingo

Stanley and Wiegers were neck and neck. The 2 previous Iowa QB's make a nice living in the NFL. Kirk Ferentz's offensive style is extremely conservative: Huge OL, establish the running game, and rely on extremely smart, confident QBs to manage the offense. I actually think Wiegers can put EMU over the top, if only for one season. His leadership will greatly benefit the lockeroom. This is great for the program. Wiegers is a man, not a petulant kid.

I don't think any of the other quarterback candidates are petulant kids must referring to yourself?

(01-04-2018 11:40 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  Are we counting out Steibeling?

Some of you are I am not

(01-04-2018 12:45 PM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  Can't forget about Mike Glass either. I don't think he'll win the starting job, but he has potential to be a solid backup... if he wants to stay.

I agree with many of you. If Wiegers is named the starter, he must be good enough to justify not giving the starting role to Grissom/Jackson/Stiebeling/Glass, who are the future of the program. It has to be worth it to let those players develop on the sideline rather than the field for one more season.

Well said