http://wane.com/2017/12/20/wright-signs-...-michigan/

(12-21-2017 02:07 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 01:31 PM)BDB5yp Wrote:  Antwain Walker has been clocked at 4.4 in a 40 yard dash. I think that’s fast.....

If it's a legit, laser timed 40... that's impressive. If it's his HS coach's hand timed 40, I'd hold off on it.

These things are hard to gage until you see them on the field.... TLL ran a 4.5 in his combine 40 yard dash but is super quick. He’s probably faster than most players we’ve ever had.

TLL still surprised we got him. He just was not big son FSU, and the bigger schools didn't recuit him. He made one of the greatest catches I ever saw by a HS player. Then as Fr we beat Toledo because of him returning 2 kicks.

(12-21-2017 10:49 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 09:53 AM)nucyberdawg Wrote:  My comments below not intended as criticism but simply two of my questions after watching video of Carey and bowl starters are these:

So many fans focus on skilled /speed recruits found in Florida than found in other recruiting hotbeds. So who among our recruits best/most likely meets our need for speed ?

Of the 24 signed and one remaining out there, how many are recruited and expected to compete for and play QB ?

There is no real speed in this class. There's some good speed. But most of your true difference makers as far as speed goes will have run track. Da'ron Brown did. TLL did. So did Juan Wesley. They were all around 11.0 sec 100 meter guys. Wesley was 10.8.The few guys we have who ran track, Justin Hall, Haney, Brummett, even Rodney Hall from last year, don't have fast enough times to call them burners. All over 11.6 seconds. The only guy from this or last years class with proven track speed is Rowell, 11.05. That doesn't eliminate someone who could be super fast and didn't run track in HS, but I doubt it. That's like a kid who's 6'10" in HS and doesn't play basket ball. Fortunately, neither WMU or Toledo landed a burner this year. Though last year WMU got a kid who ran 10.6 which is just stupid fast for HS.

As far as the QB quantity, only Toledo and Kent landed 2 qbs. Every other Mac school landed 1 or none. They're just hard to come by. Far less athletes to choose from.

Rockets have only signed 1 WR, probably will sign one more and a RB. The signed 6'4' WR ran a 10.83/100m and 22.12/200m in a State Qualifier last June. Not blazing speed but not slow.

I honestly think Melvin rice had,a huge impact on the Chicagoland recruits but these 18 years old grew up during niu dominating years so they now see niu as a legit in state option.

(12-21-2017 07:30 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 10:49 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 09:53 AM)nucyberdawg Wrote:  My comments below not intended as criticism but simply two of my questions after watching video of Carey and bowl starters are these:

So many fans focus on skilled /speed recruits found in Florida than found in other recruiting hotbeds. So who among our recruits best/most likely meets our need for speed ?

Of the 24 signed and one remaining out there, how many are recruited and expected to compete for and play QB ?

There is no real speed in this class. There's some good speed. But most of your true difference makers as far as speed goes will have run track. Da'ron Brown did. TLL did. So did Juan Wesley. They were all around 11.0 sec 100 meter guys. Wesley was 10.8.The few guys we have who ran track, Justin Hall, Haney, Brummett, even Rodney Hall from last year, don't have fast enough times to call them burners. All over 11.6 seconds. The only guy from this or last years class with proven track speed is Rowell, 11.05. That doesn't eliminate someone who could be super fast and didn't run track in HS, but I doubt it. That's like a kid who's 6'10" in HS and doesn't play basket ball. Fortunately, neither WMU or Toledo landed a burner this year. Though last year WMU got a kid who ran 10.6 which is just stupid fast for HS.

As far as the QB quantity, only Toledo and Kent landed 2 qbs. Every other Mac school landed 1 or none. They're just hard to come by. Far less athletes to choose from.

Rockets have only signed 1 WR, probably will sign one more and a RB. The signed 6'4' WR ran a 10.83/100m and 22.12/200m in a State Qualifier last June. Not blazing speed but not slow.

No, that is pretty darn blazing. I must have missed him when I checked your commits. That's the kind of speed defenses have to account for.

Willie Snead ran a 4.62 40 at the NFL combine and he's pretty good.

(12-21-2017 10:01 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  Willie Snead ran a 4.62 40 at the NFL combine and he's pretty good.

He could fly.

(12-21-2017 08:29 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 07:30 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 10:49 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 09:53 AM)nucyberdawg Wrote:  My comments below not intended as criticism but simply two of my questions after watching video of Carey and bowl starters are these:

So many fans focus on skilled /speed recruits found in Florida than found in other recruiting hotbeds. So who among our recruits best/most likely meets our need for speed ?

Of the 24 signed and one remaining out there, how many are recruited and expected to compete for and play QB ?

There is no real speed in this class. There's some good speed. But most of your true difference makers as far as speed goes will have run track. Da'ron Brown did. TLL did. So did Juan Wesley. They were all around 11.0 sec 100 meter guys. Wesley was 10.8.The few guys we have who ran track, Justin Hall, Haney, Brummett, even Rodney Hall from last year, don't have fast enough times to call them burners. All over 11.6 seconds. The only guy from this or last years class with proven track speed is Rowell, 11.05. That doesn't eliminate someone who could be super fast and didn't run track in HS, but I doubt it. That's like a kid who's 6'10" in HS and doesn't play basket ball. Fortunately, neither WMU or Toledo landed a burner this year. Though last year WMU got a kid who ran 10.6 which is just stupid fast for HS.

As far as the QB quantity, only Toledo and Kent landed 2 qbs. Every other Mac school landed 1 or none. They're just hard to come by. Far less athletes to choose from.

Rockets have only signed 1 WR, probably will sign one more and a RB. The signed 6'4' WR ran a 10.83/100m and 22.12/200m in a State Qualifier last June. Not blazing speed but not slow.

No, that is pretty darn blazing. I must have missed him when I checked your commits. That's the kind of speed defenses have to account for.

I’m a former track coach. Those are fantastic times.

Track speed is overrated if the kid can't play football. Yes, it is nice to have but how many times does a WR run 40 yards in a game. Not many. But on every play he has to be quick and explosive. Now this is what makes a great football player. Shoot, the average 40 time for WRs at most combines in Indy are in the 4.6 range. Many HOF NFL players ran a 4.6. We need to stop focusing so much on track speed and focus on a players abilities on making plays.

(12-22-2017 01:38 PM)Bears85 Wrote:  Track speed is overrated if the kid can't play football. Yes, it is nice to have but how many times does a WR run 40 yards in a game. Not many. But on every play he has to be quick and explosive. Now this is what makes a great football player. Shoot, the average 40 time for WRs at most combines in Indy are in the 4.6 range. Many HOF NFL players ran a 4.6. We need to stop focusing so much on track speed and focus on a players abilities on making plays.

Typed something similar earlier and deleted it. 40 times and other track times aren't really great indicators of whether a guy will be good on a football field.

For you speed guys Jyran Mitchell is a 2 time All State Track Guy.

Dri Archer ran a 4.26

Anquan Boldin ran a 4.71

Larry Fitzgerald ran a 4.63

The track talk was in direct response to question about this a class' speed. Not about the quality of players. It's just one aspect of a player. Even Jyran Mitchell's track "speed" is 11.28 in the 100. That's good. Really good. But not special when it comes to just speed. Now he may become a great player and can still out run most defenders., I'm just referring to the guys who get one step on the defense and you can say---he's gone---No ones going to catch him. If you run sub 11 in the 100, there's almost no one on who can catch you.

(12-22-2017 04:45 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The track talk was in direct response to question about this a class' speed. Not about the quality of players. It's just one aspect of a player. Even Jyran Mitchell's track "speed" is 11.28 in the 100. That's good. Really good. But not special when it comes to just speed. Now he may become a great player and can still out run most defenders., I'm just referring to the guys who get one step on the defense and you can say---he's gone---No ones going to catch him. If you run sub 11 in the 100, there's almost no one on who can catch you.

And if you have zero agility or limited football skills it won’t matter unless you run “go routes” 100% of the time, and teams will catch on instantly. See Oakland Raiders for example.....Derrius Heyward-Bey ring a bell? Elite track speed, terrible route runner and still couldn’t create separation with all that speed.

(12-22-2017 04:45 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The track talk was in direct response to question about this a class' speed. Not about the quality of players. It's just one aspect of a player.

Exactly. People are getting bent out of shape for no reason.

(12-22-2017 06:07 PM)JoeNovak Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 04:45 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The track talk was in direct response to question about this a class' speed. Not about the quality of players. It's just one aspect of a player. Even Jyran Mitchell's track "speed" is 11.28 in the 100. That's good. Really good. But not special when it comes to just speed. Now he may become a great player and can still out run most defenders., I'm just referring to the guys who get one step on the defense and you can say---he's gone---No ones going to catch him. If you run sub 11 in the 100, there's almost no one on who can catch you.

And if you have zero agility or limited football skills it won’t matter unless you run “go routes” 100% of the time, and teams will catch on instantly. See Oakland Raiders for example.....Derrius Heyward-Bey ring a bell? Elite track speed, terrible route runner and still couldn’t create separation with all that speed.

I assume this is common sense and members of the board understand when we are discussing one aspect of an athlete. Much like if someone asked about QB arm strength. If we had a discussion about arm strength I would hope no one would chime in and say --it takes more than arm strength to be a good QB. Speed is one of the few easily measured athletic attributes and hence a easy topic to discuss. If you want to start a discussion about what makes a great overall WR, I'll gladly add my thoughts.

(12-22-2017 03:17 PM)armour248 Wrote:  Dri Archer ran a 4.26

Anquan Boldin ran a 4.71

Larry Fitzgerald ran a 4.63

Dumb stat. Now I'll look 100 other great receivers and 90 % will be 4.5 or below

They measure speed because for most part it matters.

No one is getting bent out of shape. But you'd rather have speed than not have it.

What was Lynch's 40 time?

(12-22-2017 08:00 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  No one is getting bent out of shape. But you'd rather have speed than not have it.

What was Lynch's 40 time?

4.72 at the NFL combine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ano39FDsK4Q

He seemed faster than that on the field.