(12-21-2017 09:45 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 08:30 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Tubby stated last night that “we played bad” against Louisville.

In reality, they play bad every game. They are one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the nation, their defense isn't particularly great, and they have no reliable interior scoring.

For them to do what they have done (grind out wins) they rely on out hustling teams, drawing lots of fouls (11th best in the nation in points from ft's) and getting offensive rebounds.

Having "out hustle" team or rely on getting fouls isn't generally the best way to win games.

In fairness, outhustling and a positive foul ratio are good blocks to build on.

(12-21-2017 10:05 AM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 09:45 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 08:30 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Tubby stated last night that “we played bad” against Louisville.

In reality, they play bad every game. They are one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the nation, their defense isn't particularly great, and they have no reliable interior scoring.

For them to do what they have done (grind out wins) they rely on out hustling teams, drawing lots of fouls (11th best in the nation in points from ft's) and getting offensive rebounds.

Having "out hustle" team or rely on getting fouls isn't generally the best way to win games.

In fairness, outhustling and a positive foul ratio are good blocks to build on.

Indeed and it makes the kids themselves admirable.

I like the kids we have, they would be a great bench unit on a team that had legit high level D1 players. They give everything they have and pour effort out, even within their limitations.

But we need more guys. This team is the proverbial 'knife at a gun fight' team.

(12-21-2017 10:05 AM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 09:45 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 08:30 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Tubby stated last night that “we played bad” against Louisville.

In reality, they play bad every game. They are one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the nation, their defense isn't particularly great, and they have no reliable interior scoring.

For them to do what they have done (grind out wins) they rely on out hustling teams, drawing lots of fouls (11th best in the nation in points from ft's) and getting offensive rebounds.

Having "out hustle" team or rely on getting fouls isn't generally the best way to win games.

In fairness, outhustling and a positive foul ratio are good blocks to build on.

Totally agree. The problem is that in order for them to win even the games vs. bobos, they haven't done it through shooting, lock down defense, or organized post play, they have had to do it every other way.

Those other ways are just a bit harder to rely upon when you face teams that are actually skilled, have comparable size, and have had more time to scout Memphis.

(12-21-2017 10:40 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 10:05 AM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 09:45 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 08:30 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Tubby stated last night that “we played bad” against Louisville.

In reality, they play bad every game. They are one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the nation, their defense isn't particularly great, and they have no reliable interior scoring.

For them to do what they have done (grind out wins) they rely on out hustling teams, drawing lots of fouls (11th best in the nation in points from ft's) and getting offensive rebounds.

Having "out hustle" team or rely on getting fouls isn't generally the best way to win games.

In fairness, outhustling and a positive foul ratio are good blocks to build on.

Totally agree. The problem is that in order for them to win even the games vs. bobos, they haven't done it through shooting, lock down defense, or organized post play, they have had to do it every other way.

Those other ways are just a bit harder to rely upon when you face teams that are actually skilled, have comparable size, and have had more time to scout Memphis.

We’ve played 3 teams with better athletes and we’ve lost all 3. I have nothing bad to say about the kids, they are fighting hard and making the best of it. We’ve won 5 games by sheer grit and fight.

I worry conference play is going to be a wake up call. They won’t bother defending us past the 3 point line.

(12-21-2017 08:30 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Tubby stated last night that “we played bad” against Louisville.

That should make you happy shouldn't it...

Not lowering expectations.

(12-21-2017 09:38 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 08:30 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Tubby stated last night that “we played bad” against Louisville.

That should make you happy shouldn't it...

Not lowering expectations.

I think a much better quote about Tubby’s expectations is the one stating we are going to the post season (NIT or NCAA I guess, but he did not specify).

(12-21-2017 10:40 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 10:05 AM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 09:45 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 08:30 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Tubby stated last night that “we played bad” against Louisville.

In reality, they play bad every game. They are one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the nation, their defense isn't particularly great, and they have no reliable interior scoring.

For them to do what they have done (grind out wins) they rely on out hustling teams, drawing lots of fouls (11th best in the nation in points from ft's) and getting offensive rebounds.

Having "out hustle" team or rely on getting fouls isn't generally the best way to win games.

In fairness, outhustling and a positive foul ratio are good blocks to build on.

Totally agree. The problem is that in order for them to win even the games vs. bobos, they haven't done it through shooting, lock down defense, or organized post play, they have had to do it every other way.

Those other ways are just a bit harder to rely upon when you face teams that are actually skilled, have comparable size, and have had more time to scout Memphis.

There is good reason to suspect a rough conference ride.

(12-21-2017 10:04 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 09:38 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 08:30 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Tubby stated last night that “we played bad” against Louisville.

That should make you happy shouldn't it...

Not lowering expectations.

I think a much better quote about Tubby’s expectations is the one stating we are going to the post season (NIT or NCAA I guess, but he did not specify).

So maybe you will stop saying it

(12-21-2017 10:09 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 10:40 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 10:05 AM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 09:45 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 08:30 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Tubby stated last night that “we played bad” against Louisville.

In reality, they play bad every game. They are one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the nation, their defense isn't particularly great, and they have no reliable interior scoring.

For them to do what they have done (grind out wins) they rely on out hustling teams, drawing lots of fouls (11th best in the nation in points from ft's) and getting offensive rebounds.

Having "out hustle" team or rely on getting fouls isn't generally the best way to win games.

In fairness, outhustling and a positive foul ratio are good blocks to build on.

Totally agree. The problem is that in order for them to win even the games vs. bobos, they haven't done it through shooting, lock down defense, or organized post play, they have had to do it every other way.

Those other ways are just a bit harder to rely upon when you face teams that are actually skilled, have comparable size, and have had more time to scout Memphis.

There is good reason to suspect a rough conference ride.

Again, Memphis gets six games vs. the slop of the conference (USF, ECU, and Tulane)--that's likely good for 5 wins, at least. If Memphis can just pick off two of the remaining six home games, that's 7-11.

(12-17-2017 09:54 PM)chrisd11 Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 09:11 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 12:03 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 11:46 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 11:41 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Agree, the problem is Tubby is here now.

And absolutely...

Let's define it further, then. The problem isn't Tubby's coaching. He's getting more out of the players on the floor than Pastner ever dreamed of, and maybe more than Calipari did. The problem is that he refuses to hire assistants who can recruit at the level we need. If he had Memphis caliber players and coached them up the way he is these guys, hell, we'd be a top ten team. But that would mean his kid would be unemployed.

I love these players right now and I'm proud of how hard they try. It's not their fault that they are who they are, and all I can ask is they give 100%, which they're doing. For their sake I really hope we make the post season. Jeremiah Martin is awesome.

He actually has hired a recruiter of the level you speak of ... You will just have to wait till next season to see him in action.

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Pierre will not be here next year

The only reason he is working for Tub is because of the restrictions. If not for that he would have never came here.

Actually, you are 100% wrong. Short of a head coaching job or Tubby getting fired he will be here next year. This is a fact.

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(12-22-2017 11:03 AM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 09:54 PM)chrisd11 Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 09:11 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 12:03 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 11:46 AM)450bench Wrote:  And absolutely...

Let's define it further, then. The problem isn't Tubby's coaching. He's getting more out of the players on the floor than Pastner ever dreamed of, and maybe more than Calipari did. The problem is that he refuses to hire assistants who can recruit at the level we need. If he had Memphis caliber players and coached them up the way he is these guys, hell, we'd be a top ten team. But that would mean his kid would be unemployed.

I love these players right now and I'm proud of how hard they try. It's not their fault that they are who they are, and all I can ask is they give 100%, which they're doing. For their sake I really hope we make the post season. Jeremiah Martin is awesome.

He actually has hired a recruiter of the level you speak of ... You will just have to wait till next season to see him in action.

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Pierre will not be here next year

The only reason he is working for Tub is because of the restrictions. If not for that he would have never came here.

Actually, you are 100% wrong. Short of a head coaching job or Tubby getting fired he will be here next year. This is a fact.

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FACT?

Please explain or are you using and alternate definition of fact

(12-17-2017 10:39 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 10:22 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 10:14 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 10:02 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 07:41 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I do not think Louisville is overrated. I think a number of AAC schools could have beaten Louisville on Saturday based on the way Louisville played on Saturday. My opinion is not an indictment of Louisville (they are a very good team), but rather a complement of our AAC mates.

I understand the existence of the concept that we are underrated, but I do not accept it based on the totality of results to date (e.g., struggling with Mercer, Samford, etc..). I believe it is more likely that we played over our heads like teams use to do against us when we were relevant. Finally, I think the team will improve with experience, but not sufficiently to ensure a post-season berth mentioned by Tubby.

I am not here to tell folks how they should feel about a nine point loss. I am only expressing how I feel about it.

So your assertion is Louisville played poorly...Yet they hit 14 3 pointers and shot 50+% from the 3. They sure as hell didn't shoot poorly.

What did Louisville do poorly?

I did not assert that Louisville played poorly.

So we played better than we should...Yet we didn't shoot abnormally well.

If anyone played over their heads it would be Louisville with their shooting.

I am having difficulty ascertaining the point driving your belabored peicemeal questioning.

His point is that Louisville played statistically better than normal and most of the teams in the AAC would have lost to that performance. He is disagreeing with your assumption that many in our conference would have beaten Louisville and using those statistics as further proof for his arguement (a request you often make in rebuttal to the arguments of others). He also states that while not a win and a cause for celebration, he found the play of the Tigers to be enjoyable, entertaining and a cause for hope of future development based on the advances in their play he observed during the game. Hope that helps.

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(12-22-2017 11:03 AM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 09:54 PM)chrisd11 Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 09:11 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 12:03 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 11:46 AM)450bench Wrote:  And absolutely...

Let's define it further, then. The problem isn't Tubby's coaching. He's getting more out of the players on the floor than Pastner ever dreamed of, and maybe more than Calipari did. The problem is that he refuses to hire assistants who can recruit at the level we need. If he had Memphis caliber players and coached them up the way he is these guys, hell, we'd be a top ten team. But that would mean his kid would be unemployed.

I love these players right now and I'm proud of how hard they try. It's not their fault that they are who they are, and all I can ask is they give 100%, which they're doing. For their sake I really hope we make the post season. Jeremiah Martin is awesome.

He actually has hired a recruiter of the level you speak of ... You will just have to wait till next season to see him in action.

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Pierre will not be here next year

The only reason he is working for Tub is because of the restrictions. If not for that he would have never came here.

Actually, you are 100% wrong. Short of a head coaching job or Tubby getting fired he will be here next year. This is a fact.

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So, you are saying that it is a FACT that someone on Tubby’s staff will be fired or reassigned so that Pierre will be a full fledged assistant. Surely it’s not a reported FACT that he will remain in a job that pays him far less than he can earn with much less responsibility and input.

Got it, that’s a big FACT that should have been reported and commented on some where other than a message board.

(12-17-2017 10:58 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 10:36 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 10:31 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Let us bask in the glow of a close loss!

Other than the outcome, did you enjoy watching the game? Not in the general sense of 'I enjoy watching all Tiger games', but was it good basketball? I thought the guys played great. Would have liked to have seen what a healthy Rivers for the second half would have meant. That dunk of his was emphatic.

Yes. Of course I enjoyed it--fwiww.

How much happiness can we drum up about a loss?

Will it get us a better seeding in post season play?

Do I now have to root for Louisville to run the table...lol

Good

As much as you wish. It is your happiness after all.

Yes

Against all things holy, in the name of future Tiger fortunes, yes.

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(12-21-2017 09:45 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 08:30 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Tubby stated last night that “we played bad” against Louisville.

In reality, they play bad every game. They are one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the nation, their defense isn't particularly great, and they have no reliable interior scoring.

For them to do what they have done (grind out wins) they rely on out hustling teams, drawing lots of fouls (11th best in the nation in points from ft's) and getting offensive rebounds.

Having "out hustle" team or rely on getting fouls isn't generally the best way to win games.

Actually it is exactly the single best way to win close games. So we just have to find a way to be close at the end of games.

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(12-18-2017 08:28 AM)GermantownTiger Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 12:03 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  Let's define it further, then. The problem isn't Tubby's coaching. He's getting more out of the players on the floor than Pastner ever dreamed of, and maybe more than Calipari did. The problem is that he refuses to hire assistants who can recruit at the level we need. If he had Memphis caliber players and coached them up the way he is these guys, hell, we'd be a top ten team. But that would mean his kid would be unemployed.

I love these players right now and I'm proud of how hard they try. It's not their fault that they are who they are, and all I can ask is they give 100%, which they're doing. For their sake I really hope we make the post season. Jeremiah Martin is awesome.

My sentiments exactly.

This is very well said.

A coach that was a hybrid of Tubby's coaching and Partner's recruiting would win a LOT of games.

(12-22-2017 11:27 AM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 09:45 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 08:30 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Tubby stated last night that “we played bad” against Louisville.

In reality, they play bad every game. They are one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the nation, their defense isn't particularly great, and they have no reliable interior scoring.

For them to do what they have done (grind out wins) they rely on out hustling teams, drawing lots of fouls (11th best in the nation in points from ft's) and getting offensive rebounds.

Having "out hustle" team or rely on getting fouls isn't generally the best way to win games.

Actually it is exactly the single best way to win close games. So we just have to find a way to be close at the end of games.

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Totally.

Nothing like being down 2 with 10 seconds to go. No reliable go to post guy or no knock down three, so you call the "Hey, let's really scrap play. Goooooooo SUPER HUSTLE on 1!"

Works like a charm.

(12-22-2017 12:43 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 08:28 AM)GermantownTiger Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 12:03 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  Let's define it further, then. The problem isn't Tubby's coaching. He's getting more out of the players on the floor than Pastner ever dreamed of, and maybe more than Calipari did. The problem is that he refuses to hire assistants who can recruit at the level we need. If he had Memphis caliber players and coached them up the way he is these guys, hell, we'd be a top ten team. But that would mean his kid would be unemployed.

I love these players right now and I'm proud of how hard they try. It's not their fault that they are who they are, and all I can ask is they give 100%, which they're doing. For their sake I really hope we make the post season. Jeremiah Martin is awesome.

My sentiments exactly.

This is very well said.

A coach that was a hybrid of Tubby's coaching and Partner's recruiting would win a LOT of games.

Tubby could simulate that by hiring two hot shot recruiting assistants, but again, his kid wouldn't have a job. Or maybe he could demote him to Dir. Basketball Ops. or something. But first the head coach has to at least pretend he gives a damn about getting top flight talent.

Why do we not have one shooter?

Even most if not all of the bad teams we play have one.

This is hard on our players.

(12-22-2017 01:36 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Why do we not have one shooter?

Even most if not all of the bad teams we play have one.

That's because of our defense.