(12-20-2017 10:45 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 10:39 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 10:37 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  And with the repeal of the individual mandate 7 million people with individual market plans will see their premiums go up significantly. So if you don't get the tax credits, I think Fo is in this group, your immediate tax savings will to some degree be offset this other provision of the law.

ummm learn about supply and demand...

If you see $100 more in your monthly paycheck as a result of the new tax law that is great. If you see an increase in your health insurance premium of $100 as a result of the new tax law that is bad. ummmm learn about common sense.

ok... let me say it again, learn about supply and demand. Its really not a hard concept to grasp.

(12-20-2017 10:45 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 10:39 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 10:37 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  And with the repeal of the individual mandate 7 million people with individual market plans will see their premiums go up significantly. So if you don't get the tax credits, I think Fo is in this group, your immediate tax savings will to some degree be offset this other provision of the law.

ummm learn about supply and demand...

If you see $100 more in your monthly paycheck as a result of the new tax law that is great. If you see an increase in your health insurance premium of $100 as a result of the new tax law that is bad. ummmm learn about common sense.

So what you are saying is 1 in 45 people (7 million out of 330 million or so) may see their tax decrease offset by increased Obamacare premiums. I can live with that. Of course not everyone will get a tax decrease, but it is a heck of a lot more people than will be negatively affected by loss of the mandate.

(12-20-2017 10:10 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  well, that's not going to happen. Free shht is how Democrats get elected.


the irony here is a special type of stupid.

So you're saying letting me keep 1500 more $ of my income a year is giving me free ****?

Well something here is a special kind of stupid.

The donor class...........

You are probably going to be paying more. Are you in the ACA individual market? If you are than this is a huge loser.

I look forward to corporations investing their money into their workers and giving them all raises.

Help is on the way.

(12-20-2017 10:37 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  And with the repeal of the individual mandate 7 million people with individual market plans will see their premiums go up significantly. So if you don't get the tax credits, I think Fo is in this group, your immediate tax savings will to some degree be offset this other provision of the law.

And, those others who won't be buying insurance they don't want will be saving money. You are fine with them buying that insurance they don't want/won't use so that their premiums can subsidize the 7 million you reference above?

you probably believe that Koch brother funded tax saver computer program too.......................


A sucker is born every minute...... Trump voters are a special kind of sucker.............

Click your heels three times and believe.................

Those tax cuts worked so well for W.....................

(12-20-2017 10:51 AM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 10:45 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 10:39 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 10:37 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  And with the repeal of the individual mandate 7 million people with individual market plans will see their premiums go up significantly. So if you don't get the tax credits, I think Fo is in this group, your immediate tax savings will to some degree be offset this other provision of the law.

ummm learn about supply and demand...

If you see $100 more in your monthly paycheck as a result of the new tax law that is great. If you see an increase in your health insurance premium of $100 as a result of the new tax law that is bad. ummmm learn about common sense.

So what you are saying is 1 in 45 people (7 million out of 330 million or so) may see their tax decrease offset by increased Obamacare premiums. I can live with that. Of course not everyone will get a tax decrease, but it is a heck of a lot more people than will be negatively affected by loss of the mandate.

It is just an observation. There has been a great deal of discussion about the high cost of health care for those high income individual plan folks. The 1 in 45 as you note. They have understandably been very frustrated. They have also opposed the individual mandate and supported the new tax law. It is a bit of a catch 22.

But the elimination of the mandate will however cause premium increases for all of us. When so many young healthy people decide to go without coverage the pool shrinks and costs go up. So we will all eventually feel the affects, just not as drastically as those on the individual market. One has to wonder if those increases will also offset our tax savings.

(12-20-2017 11:21 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I look forward to corporations investing their money into their workers and giving them all raises.

Help is on the way.

There's no reason to give ALL of them raises. Only the ones who deserve it. There's no participation trophies.

(12-20-2017 11:27 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 11:21 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I look forward to corporations investing their money into their workers and giving them all raises.

Help is on the way.

There's no reason to give ALL of them raises. Only the ones who deserve it. There's no participation trophies.

(12-20-2017 11:21 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I look forward to corporations investing their money into their workers and giving them all raises.

Help is on the way.

So you are in favor of having US corporations competing in the world market at a disadvantage due to having higher corporate tax rates than the rest of the world.
You do realize that it's not corporations that pay that higher tax but rather the consumers of their goods or services.

(12-20-2017 11:28 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 11:21 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I look forward to corporations investing their money into their workers and giving them all raises.

Help is on the way.

So you are in favor of having US corporations competing in the world market at a disadvantage due to having higher corporate tax rates than the rest of the world.
You do realize that it's not corporations that pay that higher tax but rather the consumers of their goods or services.

I don't mind if we want to give corporations the opportunity to complete in the world market.

To tell the American people however that this will result in higher wages is laughable.

(12-20-2017 11:34 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 11:28 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 11:21 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I look forward to corporations investing their money into their workers and giving them all raises.

Help is on the way.

So you are in favor of having US corporations competing in the world market at a disadvantage due to having higher corporate tax rates than the rest of the world.
You do realize that it's not corporations that pay that higher tax but rather the consumers of their goods or services.

I don't mind if we want to give corporations the opportunity to complete in the world market.

To tell the American people however that this will result in higher wages is laughable.

MUH MAGIC WAND!

(12-20-2017 11:24 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Click your heels three times and believe.................

Those tax cuts worked so well for W.....................

Want to make a bet that I'll get more back this year than I otherwise would have without? Tell you what if I lose I'll leave TSR forever, if you win ....

Nevermind....

(12-20-2017 11:34 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 11:28 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 11:21 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I look forward to corporations investing their money into their workers and giving them all raises.

Help is on the way.

So you are in favor of having US corporations competing in the world market at a disadvantage due to having higher corporate tax rates than the rest of the world.
You do realize that it's not corporations that pay that higher tax but rather the consumers of their goods or services.

I don't mind if we want to give corporations the opportunity to complete in the world market.

To tell the American people however that this will result in higher wages is laughable.

So you don't think if corporations are better able to compete and do better in the world market it won't result in more jobs? Wages are more reliant on supply and demand. If you have a skill that it is high demand you will command higher wages that someone that lacks those skills.

(12-20-2017 10:28 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 10:24 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  Dems just voted 100% against a pay raise for the American people and for growing the economy. That should work well for them int he mid-terms.

no, they're standing up for the middle class against evil corporations


just think of how stupid that sounds. We're keeping more of your money but we're looking out for your best interest. Idiots.

The Dems have 26 Senate seats to defend next election while the Rep have just 8. Ten of those Dem seats are in states Trump won. This tax vote is going to bite them in the azz is my guess.

(12-20-2017 11:23 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 10:37 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  And with the repeal of the individual mandate 7 million people with individual market plans will see their premiums go up significantly. So if you don't get the tax credits, I think Fo is in this group, your immediate tax savings will to some degree be offset this other provision of the law.

And, those others who won't be buying insurance they don't want will be saving money. You are fine with them buying that insurance they don't want/won't use so that their premiums can subsidize the 7 million you reference above?

Their premiums aren't subsidizing the 7 million I was referring to. The 7 million I was referring to are high income, mostly older buyers on the individual market. They don't get any tax credits (subsides) to offset their costs. They are paying all of it themselves. The people that buy individual market plans with incomes up to 400 % of the poverty level get graduated immediate tax credits to help them pay their premiums. They don't see much if any increase in cost as a result.

What will happen is that without the mandate the pool will shrink and everyone will see premiums go up, even those of us that don't buy on the individual market.

Also bear in mind that everyone wants / needs health insurance. Many just don't want it until something happens. Come home from the doctor's office with a cancer diagnosis, get hit by a semi truck on the interstate or get a shooting pain in your chest and you want / need health insurance.

Winning bigly. All you cucks for higher taxes continue to pay the same rate.

Bigly. Yuge

Bwahahahaha

(12-20-2017 11:49 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Winning bigly. All you cucks for higher taxes continue to pay the same rate.

Bigly. Yuge

Bwahahahaha

I think those on here who are opposed to this tax cut should donate the difference they see in their paycheck back to the federal government in protest. If they don't they are hypocrites.