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(12-17-2017 08:57 PM)GullLake Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 08:23 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  CMU's med school has a different - and needed - focus. They focus on rural health, something WMU will never do because of our research agenda, donors, and location. What they do up there is needed. It's very different from what we do. You will see our future doctors in the largest research hospitals in the world. Theirs will be specialized into rural areas throughout the country. I'm not bashing them for this, just pointing out the difference. Rural health has long been ignored by our education system.

You raise good points.

However, despite the emphasis, there is nothing that requires CMU med school graduates to practice in rural areas. They are just as free to work in suburban/urban settings, or leave the State entirely, as graduates of any other school.

There is no reason to believe that CMU med school graduates will help address the rural health care problem any more than current graduates from UM, MSU and WSU. Its med school is a "Me too!" duplication and probably won't survive, as previous posters have pointed out.

Frankly, with MSU being the land grant institution with an extension service, you would think it would be the one placing emphasis on rural care.

And Western’s focus is supposedly on training general practitioners. Upon graduation any of them can work in an urban or rural setting, or go 4 more years and specialize.........which is why we have so few GPs and so many specialist $$

(12-18-2017 12:17 AM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 08:57 PM)GullLake Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 08:23 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  CMU's med school has a different - and needed - focus. They focus on rural health, something WMU will never do because of our research agenda, donors, and location. What they do up there is needed. It's very different from what we do. You will see our future doctors in the largest research hospitals in the world. Theirs will be specialized into rural areas throughout the country. I'm not bashing them for this, just pointing out the difference. Rural health has long been ignored by our education system.

You raise good points.

However, despite the emphasis, there is nothing that requires CMU med school graduates to practice in rural areas. They are just as free to work in suburban/urban settings, or leave the State entirely, as graduates of any other school.

There is no reason to believe that CMU med school graduates will help address the rural health care problem any more than current graduates from UM, MSU and WSU. Its med school is a "Me too!" duplication and probably won't survive, as previous posters have pointed out.

Frankly, with MSU being the land grant institution with an extension service, you would think it would be the one placing emphasis on rural care.

And Western’s focus is supposedly on training general practitioners. Upon graduation any of them can work in an urban or rural setting, or go 4 more years and specialize.........which is why we have so few GPs and so many specialist $$

Somebody has no idea how medical school works...

So if CD signs with CMU he gets drafted high first round, multi million dollar guaranteed contract and trip to Cotton Bowl? I'll bet he's pretty happy with the way things turned out.

(12-18-2017 10:40 AM)BuickBronco Wrote:  So if CD signs with CMU he gets drafted high first round, multi million dollar guaranteed contract and trip to Cotton Bowl? I'll bet he's pretty happy with the way things turned out.

...and he never had to play for the incompetent Dan Enos.

(12-18-2017 10:25 AM)eich41 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 12:17 AM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 08:57 PM)GullLake Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 08:23 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  CMU's med school has a different - and needed - focus. They focus on rural health, something WMU will never do because of our research agenda, donors, and location. What they do up there is needed. It's very different from what we do. You will see our future doctors in the largest research hospitals in the world. Theirs will be specialized into rural areas throughout the country. I'm not bashing them for this, just pointing out the difference. Rural health has long been ignored by our education system.

You raise good points.

However, despite the emphasis, there is nothing that requires CMU med school graduates to practice in rural areas. They are just as free to work in suburban/urban settings, or leave the State entirely, as graduates of any other school.

There is no reason to believe that CMU med school graduates will help address the rural health care problem any more than current graduates from UM, MSU and WSU. Its med school is a "Me too!" duplication and probably won't survive, as previous posters have pointed out.

Frankly, with MSU being the land grant institution with an extension service, you would think it would be the one placing emphasis on rural care.

And Western’s focus is supposedly on training general practitioners. Upon graduation any of them can work in an urban or rural setting, or go 4 more years and specialize.........which is why we have so few GPs and so many specialist $$

Somebody has no idea how medical school works...

Well genius, both of my kids have “Dr.” in front of their name so I’m guessing I know a little about it.

(12-18-2017 01:50 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 10:25 AM)eich41 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 12:17 AM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 08:57 PM)GullLake Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 08:23 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  CMU's med school has a different - and needed - focus. They focus on rural health, something WMU will never do because of our research agenda, donors, and location. What they do up there is needed. It's very different from what we do. You will see our future doctors in the largest research hospitals in the world. Theirs will be specialized into rural areas throughout the country. I'm not bashing them for this, just pointing out the difference. Rural health has long been ignored by our education system.

You raise good points.

However, despite the emphasis, there is nothing that requires CMU med school graduates to practice in rural areas. They are just as free to work in suburban/urban settings, or leave the State entirely, as graduates of any other school.

There is no reason to believe that CMU med school graduates will help address the rural health care problem any more than current graduates from UM, MSU and WSU. Its med school is a "Me too!" duplication and probably won't survive, as previous posters have pointed out.

Frankly, with MSU being the land grant institution with an extension service, you would think it would be the one placing emphasis on rural care.

And Western’s focus is supposedly on training general practitioners. Upon graduation any of them can work in an urban or rural setting, or go 4 more years and specialize.........which is why we have so few GPs and so many specialist $$

Somebody has no idea how medical school works...

Well genius, both of my kids have “Dr.” in front of their name so I’m guessing I know a little about it.

LOL, your son is a damn dentist, it's slightly different for MD/DO. Keep talking you're just proving my point.

Here's how you become a Doctor genius:

You go to medical school for four years, at that point you go through the residency matching program at which time you choose what field of medicine you'd like to practice. Depending on what you choose to go into, the residency will last anywhere from 3-5 years depending on the specialty chosen. If you want to specialize further (for instance be a fertility doctor, or be a pediatric neurologist rather than an OB/GYN or Neurologist, respectively) then you must apply and be accepted to a fellowship which can be another 2-5 years. Nobody is allowed to start practicing medicine just because you graduated from Medical School as you seem to think is the case.

There are a limited number of residency programs in the United States, and it's highly competitive. Med Students have to take into account a variety of issues when making their decision. Factors such as work/life balance, interest in the area, ability to secure a residency, salary, liability when an attending, etc. Some areas are easier to get a residency in than others. Everyone wants to go into dermatology because there is no call, rarely is it life or death, you work 4 days a week 9-5, and it pays really well. That makes a derm residency one of the hardest to obtain. Also keep in mind that the actual residency across disciplines can be night and day. An OB/GYN or General Surgery residency is going to be light years harder than Pediatrics.

As to our shortage of general practitioners, it's pretty much a product of the cost/benefit analysis of becoming a physician. Medical school runs about $250k+ these days and that's not including any undergrad debt. You also have an additional 7-10 years of lost wages above and beyond most people's Bachelor degree. New docs don't start making any money until they're 30+ and they start off a quarter mil or more in debt. That's not a bad proposition if you can make $200k+, but you're not going to make that in family practice. While most physicians aren't just in it for the money, the reality is that it simply makes little financial sense to go through the work and sacrifice of medical school and residency, only to turn around and find yourself with student loan debt that is twice your salary. Add to that, most people in medical school are type A, highly competitive, and many of them view general practice as the "low rung on the ladder". Many of them prefer to go after more difficult specialties instead.

The real problem with the shortage isn't a lack of medical schools, it's a lack of residencies. Until they expand those opportunities, we aren't going to create anymore physicians with 10,000 medical schools than we do with the medical schools we have now (because you can't practice medicine without going through a residency program). The funding for residency programs is pretty much solely from medicaid/care, so who knows if or when those programs will expand. Until they do all the additional medical school programs are doing is making the residency programs more competitive, which should increase the quality of physicians but it won't help the quantity.

(12-18-2017 02:30 PM)eich41 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 01:50 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 10:25 AM)eich41 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 12:17 AM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 08:57 PM)GullLake Wrote:  You raise good points.

However, despite the emphasis, there is nothing that requires CMU med school graduates to practice in rural areas. They are just as free to work in suburban/urban settings, or leave the State entirely, as graduates of any other school.

There is no reason to believe that CMU med school graduates will help address the rural health care problem any more than current graduates from UM, MSU and WSU. Its med school is a "Me too!" duplication and probably won't survive, as previous posters have pointed out.

Frankly, with MSU being the land grant institution with an extension service, you would think it would be the one placing emphasis on rural care.

And Western’s focus is supposedly on training general practitioners. Upon graduation any of them can work in an urban or rural setting, or go 4 more years and specialize.........which is why we have so few GPs and so many specialist $$

Somebody has no idea how medical school works...

Well genius, both of my kids have “Dr.” in front of their name so I’m guessing I know a little about it.

LOL, your son is a damn dentist, it's slightly different for MD/DO. Keep talking you're just proving my point.

Here's how you become a Doctor genius:

You go to medical school for four years, at that point you go through the residency matching program at which time you choose what field of medicine you'd like to practice. Depending on what you choose to go into, the residency will last anywhere from 3-5 years depending on the specialty chosen. If you want to specialize further (for instance be a fertility doctor, or be a pediatric neurologist rather than an OB/GYN or Neurologist, respectively) then you must apply and be accepted to a fellowship which can be another 2-5 years. Nobody is allowed to start practicing medicine just because you graduated from Medical School as you seem to think is the case.

There are a limited number of residency programs in the United States, and it's highly competitive. Med Students have to take into account a variety of issues when making their decision. Factors such as work/life balance, interest in the area, ability to secure a residency, salary, liability when an attending, etc. Some areas are easier to get a residency in than others. Everyone wants to go into dermatology because there is no call, rarely is it life or death, you work 4 days a week 9-5, and it pays really well. That makes a derm residency one of the hardest to obtain. Also keep in mind that the actual residency across disciplines can be night and day. An OB/GYN or General Surgery residency is going to be light years harder than Pediatrics.

As to our shortage of general practitioners, it's pretty much a product of the cost/benefit analysis of becoming a physician. Medical school runs about $250k+ these days and that's not including any undergrad debt. You also have an additional 7-10 years of lost wages above and beyond most people's Bachelor degree. New docs don't start making any money until they're 30+ and they start off a quarter mil or more in debt. That's not a bad proposition if you can make $200k+, but you're not going to make that in family practice. While most physicians aren't just in it for the money, the reality is that it simply makes little financial sense to go through the work and sacrifice of medical school and residency, only to turn around and find yourself with student loan debt that is twice your salary. Add to that, most people in medical school are type A, highly competitive, and many of them view general practice as the "low rung on the ladder". Many of them prefer to go after more difficult specialties instead.

The real problem with the shortage isn't a lack of medical schools, it's a lack of residencies. Until they expand those opportunities, we aren't going to create anymore physicians with 10,000 medical schools than we do with the medical schools we have now (because you can't practice medicine without going through a residency program). The funding for residency programs is pretty much solely from medicaid/care, so who knows if or when those programs will expand. Until they do all the additional medical school programs are doing is making the residency programs more competitive, which should increase the quality of physicians but it won't help the quantity.

All solid points, but you overlooked the option that can help you take care of the student debt, internship, residency and acquire plenty of experience-go the military route after graduation. You may have to spend a few years in Kabul or Baghdad but you'll pay down that debt a lot faster and learn surgical lessons much faster than your civilian compatriots.

“Your son’s a damn dentist!”

Yeah you’re right, it’s different. He made 350k last year, a bit more than your average newby physician. But yeah idiot, he’s only a dentist lol.

My endodontist makes about $1200 an hour. 3 years undergrad, 4 years dental, 2 years endodontics. Not many docs making that kind of coin. But, he’s only a “damn dentist.”

When my son was in his junior year at MSU he shadowed several docs. Universally they told him not to go into medicine. My personal physician got out because the paperwork was insane, the hours sucked, and insurance reimbursements were all over the board. The best job in medicine today isn’t being a doctor, it’s being a hospital administrator. Their bonuses are often bigger than a doctors salary. Ultimately this will lead to the best and the brightest not going into medicine.

(12-19-2017 12:56 AM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  “Your son’s a damn dentist!”

Yeah you’re right, it’s different. He made 350k last year, a bit more than your average newby physician. But yeah idiot, he’s only a dentist lol.

My endodontist makes about $1200 an hour. 3 years undergrad, 4 years dental, 2 years endodontics. Not many docs making that kind of coin. But, he’s only a “damn dentist.”

When my son was in his junior year at MSU he shadowed several docs. Universally they told him not to go into medicine. My personal physician got out because the paperwork was insane, the hours sucked, and insurance reimbursements were all over the board. The best job in medicine today isn’t being a doctor, it’s being a hospital administrator. Their bonuses are often bigger than a doctors salary. Ultimately this will lead to the best and the brightest not going into medicine.

I wasn't disparaging being a dentist, I was laughing that you thought that because your son went through dental school, that makes you informed on the process of becoming a physician, which it clearly does not. It's quite absurd actually, you may as well say that you know exactly how to become a master electrician, because your son is a mason. Like most topics, you like to think that you're the most informed person in the discussion, but like most topics, you rarely are.

Becoming a dentist is a great career as well. Frankly, if you look at dentist vs. physician, a dentist has a shorter and less demanding education period, less stress, less liability, better work/life balance than most physician specialties, and makes a similar income in most cases. But that's why we're discussing a severe physician shortage, not a dentist shortage.

(12-19-2017 12:19 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 02:30 PM)eich41 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 01:50 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 10:25 AM)eich41 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 12:17 AM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  And Western’s focus is supposedly on training general practitioners. Upon graduation any of them can work in an urban or rural setting, or go 4 more years and specialize.........which is why we have so few GPs and so many specialist $$

Somebody has no idea how medical school works...

Well genius, both of my kids have “Dr.” in front of their name so I’m guessing I know a little about it.

LOL, your son is a damn dentist, it's slightly different for MD/DO. Keep talking you're just proving my point.

Here's how you become a Doctor genius:

You go to medical school for four years, at that point you go through the residency matching program at which time you choose what field of medicine you'd like to practice. Depending on what you choose to go into, the residency will last anywhere from 3-5 years depending on the specialty chosen. If you want to specialize further (for instance be a fertility doctor, or be a pediatric neurologist rather than an OB/GYN or Neurologist, respectively) then you must apply and be accepted to a fellowship which can be another 2-5 years. Nobody is allowed to start practicing medicine just because you graduated from Medical School as you seem to think is the case.

There are a limited number of residency programs in the United States, and it's highly competitive. Med Students have to take into account a variety of issues when making their decision. Factors such as work/life balance, interest in the area, ability to secure a residency, salary, liability when an attending, etc. Some areas are easier to get a residency in than others. Everyone wants to go into dermatology because there is no call, rarely is it life or death, you work 4 days a week 9-5, and it pays really well. That makes a derm residency one of the hardest to obtain. Also keep in mind that the actual residency across disciplines can be night and day. An OB/GYN or General Surgery residency is going to be light years harder than Pediatrics.

As to our shortage of general practitioners, it's pretty much a product of the cost/benefit analysis of becoming a physician. Medical school runs about $250k+ these days and that's not including any undergrad debt. You also have an additional 7-10 years of lost wages above and beyond most people's Bachelor degree. New docs don't start making any money until they're 30+ and they start off a quarter mil or more in debt. That's not a bad proposition if you can make $200k+, but you're not going to make that in family practice. While most physicians aren't just in it for the money, the reality is that it simply makes little financial sense to go through the work and sacrifice of medical school and residency, only to turn around and find yourself with student loan debt that is twice your salary. Add to that, most people in medical school are type A, highly competitive, and many of them view general practice as the "low rung on the ladder". Many of them prefer to go after more difficult specialties instead.

The real problem with the shortage isn't a lack of medical schools, it's a lack of residencies. Until they expand those opportunities, we aren't going to create anymore physicians with 10,000 medical schools than we do with the medical schools we have now (because you can't practice medicine without going through a residency program). The funding for residency programs is pretty much solely from medicaid/care, so who knows if or when those programs will expand. Until they do all the additional medical school programs are doing is making the residency programs more competitive, which should increase the quality of physicians but it won't help the quantity.

All solid points, but you overlooked the option that can help you take care of the student debt, internship, residency and acquire plenty of experience-go the military route after graduation. You may have to spend a few years in Kabul or Baghdad but you'll pay down that debt a lot faster and learn surgical lessons much faster than your civilian compatriots.

That is certainly true, however, that would really only apply to the lower pay scale specialties. The other difficult part is that doctors are already subjected to 11-16 years of education and training (sometimes more if they do multiple fellowships). Signing up for another round of having where you live dictated and further delaying the full gratification of your work isn't all that appealing. I think for most if that is a big concern of theirs, they'd opt to choose a different specialty that pays more and allows them to tackle the debt. It's definitely an option, it's just not one that many find appealing.

One other big problem with the physician shortage is that physician burnout is escalating at a rapid pace. More and more you're seeing physicians retire at younger and younger ages. The workload, stress, litigation, bureaucracy and everything else that comes along with the job is pushing docs out of practice. Most of them are financially independent in their 40's and eventually they just decide they've had enough. You're going to see fewer and fewer doctors practicing into their 60s and 70s. That means the candle is burning at both ends, as we have a growing (and aging) population in need of more doctors, and at the same time we are getting fewer and fewer years out of our physicians.

On the primary care side, you'll likely start seeing more and more midlevels (PAs, NPs) that are taking on those patient workloads under the supervision of one attending. We already have that now obviously, but I think you'll see a larger midlevel to attending ratio, and they'll have more autonomy. It makes sense, at that level they're primarily just screening patients for any larger problems (at which point the refer it out) and taking care of mundane issues. Most of the cases are things that the PA can handle just as easily as the doctor.

(12-19-2017 12:56 AM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  “Your son’s a damn dentist!”

Yeah you’re right, it’s different. He made 350k last year, a bit more than your average newby physician. But yeah idiot, he’s only a dentist lol.

My endodontist makes about $1200 an hour. 3 years undergrad, 4 years dental, 2 years endodontics. Not many docs making that kind of coin. But, he’s only a “damn dentist.”

When my son was in his junior year at MSU he shadowed several docs. Universally they told him not to go into medicine. My personal physician got out because the paperwork was insane, the hours sucked, and insurance reimbursements were all over the board. The best job in medicine today isn’t being a doctor, it’s being a hospital administrator. Their bonuses are often bigger than a doctors salary. Ultimately this will lead to the best and the brightest not going into medicine.

This dude is legitimately mentally ill. I wish I could meet him in person and see what he looks like and how he behaves. I cannot tell if he is a 14 year old troll, or a depressed old man.

(12-19-2017 09:44 AM)george14 Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 12:56 AM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  “Your son’s a damn dentist!”

Yeah you’re right, it’s different. He made 350k last year, a bit more than your average newby physician. But yeah idiot, he’s only a dentist lol.

My endodontist makes about $1200 an hour. 3 years undergrad, 4 years dental, 2 years endodontics. Not many docs making that kind of coin. But, he’s only a “damn dentist.”

When my son was in his junior year at MSU he shadowed several docs. Universally they told him not to go into medicine. My personal physician got out because the paperwork was insane, the hours sucked, and insurance reimbursements were all over the board. The best job in medicine today isn’t being a doctor, it’s being a hospital administrator. Their bonuses are often bigger than a doctors salary. Ultimately this will lead to the best and the brightest not going into medicine.

This dude is legitimately mentally ill. I wish I could meet him in person and see what he looks like and how he behaves. I cannot tell if he is a 14 year old troll, or a depressed old man.

He slaps you around like a hockey puck....

(12-19-2017 09:46 AM)GullLake Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 09:44 AM)george14 Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 12:56 AM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  “Your son’s a damn dentist!”

Yeah you’re right, it’s different. He made 350k last year, a bit more than your average newby physician. But yeah idiot, he’s only a dentist lol.

My endodontist makes about $1200 an hour. 3 years undergrad, 4 years dental, 2 years endodontics. Not many docs making that kind of coin. But, he’s only a “damn dentist.”

When my son was in his junior year at MSU he shadowed several docs. Universally they told him not to go into medicine. My personal physician got out because the paperwork was insane, the hours sucked, and insurance reimbursements were all over the board. The best job in medicine today isn’t being a doctor, it’s being a hospital administrator. Their bonuses are often bigger than a doctors salary. Ultimately this will lead to the best and the brightest not going into medicine.

This dude is legitimately mentally ill. I wish I could meet him in person and see what he looks like and how he behaves. I cannot tell if he is a 14 year old troll, or a depressed old man.

He slaps you around like a hockey puck....

My bad I forgot you guys are the same person with different usernames.

(12-19-2017 11:45 AM)george14 Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 09:46 AM)GullLake Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 09:44 AM)george14 Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 12:56 AM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  “Your son’s a damn dentist!”

Yeah you’re right, it’s different. He made 350k last year, a bit more than your average newby physician. But yeah idiot, he’s only a dentist lol.

My endodontist makes about $1200 an hour. 3 years undergrad, 4 years dental, 2 years endodontics. Not many docs making that kind of coin. But, he’s only a “damn dentist.”

When my son was in his junior year at MSU he shadowed several docs. Universally they told him not to go into medicine. My personal physician got out because the paperwork was insane, the hours sucked, and insurance reimbursements were all over the board. The best job in medicine today isn’t being a doctor, it’s being a hospital administrator. Their bonuses are often bigger than a doctors salary. Ultimately this will lead to the best and the brightest not going into medicine.

This dude is legitimately mentally ill. I wish I could meet him in person and see what he looks like and how he behaves. I cannot tell if he is a 14 year old troll, or a depressed old man.

He slaps you around like a hockey puck....

My bad I forgot you guys are the same person with different usernames.

LOL!

Not sure to take that as a complement, or an insult.

Depends on the day, I suppose.

The shortage of GPs exists because there’s not enough cash in it. The money is in specializing. The solution as you stated is to give many of those duties to Physicians Assistants and Nurse Practitioners. Want more GP’s? Pay them, or forgive student loans. We do it for inner city school teachers........oh yeah, they funnel lots of money to politicians.

(12-19-2017 09:44 AM)george14 Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 12:56 AM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  “Your son’s a damn dentist!”

Yeah you’re right, it’s different. He made 350k last year, a bit more than your average newby physician. But yeah idiot, he’s only a dentist lol.

My endodontist makes about $1200 an hour. 3 years undergrad, 4 years dental, 2 years endodontics. Not many docs making that kind of coin. But, he’s only a “damn dentist.”

When my son was in his junior year at MSU he shadowed several docs. Universally they told him not to go into medicine. My personal physician got out because the paperwork was insane, the hours sucked, and insurance reimbursements were all over the board. The best job in medicine today isn’t being a doctor, it’s being a hospital administrator. Their bonuses are often bigger than a doctors salary. Ultimately this will lead to the best and the brightest not going into medicine.

This dude is legitimately mentally ill. I wish I could meet him in person and see what he looks like and how he behaves. I cannot tell if he is a 14 year old troll, or a depressed old man.

So hard numbers and facts that obviously go over your head makes me “mentally ill?”

That’s your big rebuttal? Come on stupid, you’ve got to have something better

(12-19-2017 01:05 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 09:44 AM)george14 Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 12:56 AM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  “Your son’s a damn dentist!”

Yeah you’re right, it’s different. He made 350k last year, a bit more than your average newby physician. But yeah idiot, he’s only a dentist lol.

My endodontist makes about $1200 an hour. 3 years undergrad, 4 years dental, 2 years endodontics. Not many docs making that kind of coin. But, he’s only a “damn dentist.”

When my son was in his junior year at MSU he shadowed several docs. Universally they told him not to go into medicine. My personal physician got out because the paperwork was insane, the hours sucked, and insurance reimbursements were all over the board. The best job in medicine today isn’t being a doctor, it’s being a hospital administrator. Their bonuses are often bigger than a doctors salary. Ultimately this will lead to the best and the brightest not going into medicine.

This dude is legitimately mentally ill. I wish I could meet him in person and see what he looks like and how he behaves. I cannot tell if he is a 14 year old troll, or a depressed old man.

So hard numbers and facts that obviously go over your head makes me “mentally ill?”

That’s your big rebuttal? Come on stupid, you’ve got to have something better

You have it all wrong, I wasn't disputing anything you said. I just think you are legitimately mentally ill. You comment on our boards with different usernames about our team, pretending that you are a CMU fan. You consistently start threads on here about how CMU sucks. You refuse to acknowledge any loss WMU has to CMU. And Brian Brunner made you look like a fool, but you continue to lie about that happening.

I just think you have something the matter with you, that's all.

(12-19-2017 03:33 PM)george14 Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 01:05 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 09:44 AM)george14 Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 12:56 AM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  “Your son’s a damn dentist!”

Yeah you’re right, it’s different. He made 350k last year, a bit more than your average newby physician. But yeah idiot, he’s only a dentist lol.

My endodontist makes about $1200 an hour. 3 years undergrad, 4 years dental, 2 years endodontics. Not many docs making that kind of coin. But, he’s only a “damn dentist.”

When my son was in his junior year at MSU he shadowed several docs. Universally they told him not to go into medicine. My personal physician got out because the paperwork was insane, the hours sucked, and insurance reimbursements were all over the board. The best job in medicine today isn’t being a doctor, it’s being a hospital administrator. Their bonuses are often bigger than a doctors salary. Ultimately this will lead to the best and the brightest not going into medicine.

This dude is legitimately mentally ill. I wish I could meet him in person and see what he looks like and how he behaves. I cannot tell if he is a 14 year old troll, or a depressed old man.

So hard numbers and facts that obviously go over your head makes me “mentally ill?”

That’s your big rebuttal? Come on stupid, you’ve got to have something better

You have it all wrong, I wasn't disputing anything you said. I just think you are legitimately mentally ill. You comment on our boards with different usernames about our team, pretending that you are a CMU fan. You consistently start threads on here about how CMU sucks. You refuse to acknowledge any loss WMU has to CMU. And Brian Brunner made you look like a fool, but you continue to lie about that happening.

I just think you have something the matter with you, that's all.

Dip is not 'mentally ill', he's a normal human being with exceptional creativity. Can he go overboard on occasion? Yup, can and has. But he can belabor CMU chowderheads like nobody else.

Some of you folks aren't as old as Dip and I. You have no experience with the Chimps at their absolute worst-back in the 1970's and 1980's. Back in the early days of the internet forums we and a handful of others battled Chimp attitude in forums like this. Chipdip took them on and bested them 1 against several. He had me in stitches many times before I ever met him.

Say what you will about Chipdip, he has never waivered when taking on Chimps and defending Broncodom. He's paid his dues to participate in this forum, as much as anybody and far more than most.

Well said!

(12-19-2017 03:58 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 03:33 PM)george14 Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 01:05 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 09:44 AM)george14 Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 12:56 AM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  “Your son’s a damn dentist!”

Yeah you’re right, it’s different. He made 350k last year, a bit more than your average newby physician. But yeah idiot, he’s only a dentist lol.

My endodontist makes about $1200 an hour. 3 years undergrad, 4 years dental, 2 years endodontics. Not many docs making that kind of coin. But, he’s only a “damn dentist.”

When my son was in his junior year at MSU he shadowed several docs. Universally they told him not to go into medicine. My personal physician got out because the paperwork was insane, the hours sucked, and insurance reimbursements were all over the board. The best job in medicine today isn’t being a doctor, it’s being a hospital administrator. Their bonuses are often bigger than a doctors salary. Ultimately this will lead to the best and the brightest not going into medicine.

This dude is legitimately mentally ill. I wish I could meet him in person and see what he looks like and how he behaves. I cannot tell if he is a 14 year old troll, or a depressed old man.

So hard numbers and facts that obviously go over your head makes me “mentally ill?”

That’s your big rebuttal? Come on stupid, you’ve got to have something better

You have it all wrong, I wasn't disputing anything you said. I just think you are legitimately mentally ill. You comment on our boards with different usernames about our team, pretending that you are a CMU fan. You consistently start threads on here about how CMU sucks. You refuse to acknowledge any loss WMU has to CMU. And Brian Brunner made you look like a fool, but you continue to lie about that happening.

I just think you have something the matter with you, that's all.

Dip is not 'mentally ill', he's a normal human being with exceptional creativity. Can he go overboard on occasion? Yup, can and has. But he can belabor CMU chowderheads like nobody else.

Some of you folks aren't as old as Dip and I. You have no experience with the Chimps at their absolute worst-back in the 1970's and 1980's. Back in the early days of the internet forums we and a handful of others battled Chimp attitude in forums like this. Chipdip took them on and bested them 1 against several. He had me in stitches many times before I ever met him.

Say what you will about Chipdip, he has never waivered when taking on Chimps and defending Broncodom. He's paid his dues to participate in this forum, as much as anybody and far more than most.

Ah yes those days when the mlive boards was all we had, talk about multiple id's. it was easy to have 4 or 5 id's going at once