(12-07-2017 01:09 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:57 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:44 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 07:50 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  BSU made 6.81 million last year on football ticket sales, down a million from previous years.

I'd love to know what an OSU/Michigan or Alabama/Auburn game make for ticket sales alone, just the one game for each home team. I bet if you add concessions, parking, etc. it passes the nearly $7 million Boise makes for one game. That's what I am hoping the AAC can eventually come close to, at least halfway there.

Those schools draw 80,000-100,000 fans per game. That would be the first step in getting there.

That's why I said halfway there, knowing all the way is improbable. I like Lousiville's plan, when they were Big East, of increasing capacity AND selling the product so the seats could be filled. The plan vaulted them to P5.

That and some now-widely-known recruiting incentives, such as strippers and shoe money. If nothing else, U of L has proved that crime pays.

(12-07-2017 08:26 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  If Boise wants to graduate from the G4 to the P6 they’re going to have to invest in academics and do more than just football it’s just that simple.

Boise State has made great headway in improving its academic profile. In 2016, Boise State was promoted in status by US News & World Report from a Western Regional University to a National University, although not ranked. However, the change in status is significant. Also in 2016, BSU was designated as a Carnegie R3 Research University.

One may scoff, but one must realize that BSU has only been a 4-year institution since 1965. Corroborating Links below.

[USNEWS] https://goo.gl/s7kT8k
[CARNEGIE] https://goo.gl/N68A1l

(12-06-2017 05:26 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Say it with me now, everyone:

Just say no to Boise State.

If their football pulls an ECU, what's left? At least ECU is in a nearby geographic region, with history to many of the programs in the league, and the ability to put 50,000 butts in seats. Boise sans football can't fill 40,000, is faraway in a desolate frontier, makes Memphis look like Harvard, and has no historical ties to any program currently in the AAC. They would be an absolute anchor.

CSU, SDSU, BYU, AFA. That's it if we even want to expand

• American Athletic Conference 2.0
  Eastern Pod
  • Navy
  • Temple
  • UConn
  • Cinci
    
  Southeastern Pod
  • ECU
  • UCF
  • USF
  • Tulane
    
  Central Pod
  • Memphis
  • Tulsa
  • Houston
  • SMU
    
  Western Pod
  • BYU
  • AFA
  • CSU
  • SDSU
    

LOL -- you sir, are a ruh tard.

Had the AAC just been patient and waited a bit before adding Tulane, Tulsa, and ECU, I believe Air Force, BYU, Colorado State, and Fresno State or UNLV would have joined Boise State and SDSU in what could have been a true all sports western division and Army would have probably been compelled to join the east as well. The AAC could have looked something like this:

Appalachian Swamp Division
Army
Central Florida
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Memphis
Navy
South Florida
Temple

Rocky Sierra Division
Air Force
Boise State
Brigham Young
Colorado State
Houston
San Diego State
Southern Methodist
Either Fresno State or UNLV

Now that would have been a very strong BOR conference with some leverage to negotiate a comparatively lucrative tv contract and much better bowl options. But with ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa in the mix, that ship sailed and the opportunity is unlikely to happen again.

Yeah it was ECU and Tulane's fault not your school administration for sinking the deal for sure buddy

(12-12-2017 05:01 AM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  Had the AAC just been patient and waited a bit before adding Tulane, Tulsa, and ECU, I believe Air Force, BYU, Colorado State, and Fresno State or UNLV would have joined Boise State and SDSU in what could have been a true all sports western division and Army would have probably been compelled to join the east as well. The AAC could have looked something like this:

Appalachian Swamp Division
Army
Central Florida
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Memphis
Navy
South Florida
Temple

Rocky Sierra Division
Air Force
Boise State
Brigham Young
Colorado State
Houston
San Diego State
Southern Methodist
Either Fresno State or UNLV

Now that would have been a very strong BOR conference with some leverage to negotiate a comparatively lucrative tv contract and much better bowl options. But with ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa in the mix, that ship sailed and the opportunity is unlikely to happen again.

With Boise, BYU, SDSU and Army that would have been a P6 league. BYU and Boise would have been the catalyst to P6 status.

As it stands now #G5 no debate, I’ve watched CUSA beat up on AAC Bowl teams the last three years

(12-12-2017 07:48 AM)ECBrad Wrote:  Yeah it was ECU and Tulane's fault not your school administration for sinking the deal for sure buddy

Hey I wouldn’t want to be in a league with ECU or Tulane either #dead weight

(12-12-2017 08:03 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 07:48 AM)ECBrad Wrote:  Yeah it was ECU and Tulane's fault not your school administration for sinking the deal for sure buddy

Hey I wouldn’t want to be in a league with ECU or Tulane either #dead weight

Don't worry, you never will. But you will give your left nut to be in the AAC. To bad its not gonna happen. Sorry.

(12-12-2017 05:01 AM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  Had the AAC just been patient and waited a bit before adding Tulane, Tulsa, and ECU, I believe Air Force, BYU, Colorado State, and Fresno State or UNLV would have joined Boise State and SDSU in what could have been a true all sports western division and Army would have probably been compelled to join the east as well. The AAC could have looked something like this:

Appalachian Swamp Division
Army
Central Florida
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Memphis
Navy
South Florida
Temple

Rocky Sierra Division
Air Force
Boise State
Brigham Young
Colorado State
Houston
San Diego State
Southern Methodist
Either Fresno State or UNLV

Now that would have been a very strong BOR conference with some leverage to negotiate a comparatively lucrative tv contract and much better bowl options. But with ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa in the mix, that ship sailed and the opportunity is unlikely to happen again.

Patient for what? If your admins wanted to join they would of join. Don't make excuses for your inept planning. Tell me what reason would be needed for the AAC to be patient with those schools from the west. What were you guys waiting on? What was holding you back prior to the AAC asking ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa?

(12-12-2017 07:48 AM)ECBrad Wrote:  Yeah it was ECU and Tulane's fault not your school administration for sinking the deal for sure buddy

I'm not blaming ECU or Tulane. I'm rather blaming Aresco and the Big East presidents at that time for getting an itchy trigger finger. They should have waited things out rather than acting quickly to add ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa. I'm really sorry to hurt your sensitive feelers but it's really not a debate as to whether or not the hypothetical league I presented above would be better than the current AAC.

(12-12-2017 08:01 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 05:01 AM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  Had the AAC just been patient and waited a bit before adding Tulane, Tulsa, and ECU, I believe Air Force, BYU, Colorado State, and Fresno State or UNLV would have joined Boise State and SDSU in what could have been a true all sports western division and Army would have probably been compelled to join the east as well. The AAC could have looked something like this:

Appalachian Swamp Division
Army
Central Florida
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Memphis
Navy
South Florida
Temple

Rocky Sierra Division
Air Force
Boise State
Brigham Young
Colorado State
Houston
San Diego State
Southern Methodist
Either Fresno State or UNLV

Now that would have been a very strong BOR conference with some leverage to negotiate a comparatively lucrative tv contract and much better bowl options. But with ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa in the mix, that ship sailed and the opportunity is unlikely to happen again.

With Boise, BYU, SDSU and Army that would have been a P6 league. BYU and Boise would have been the catalyst to P6 status.

As it stands now #G5 no debate, I’ve watched CUSA beat up on AAC Bowl teams the last three years

Po-ease. C-USA blows on so many levels. Half the league is former fcs and sunbelt teams. Almost no tv deal. You won meaninglless bowl coaches against our gutted coaching staff teams. We finish the season ranked number 6 every year right?

We won two major bowls in the last 5 years. We have a chance at the third.

(12-12-2017 08:33 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 05:01 AM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  Had the AAC just been patient and waited a bit before adding Tulane, Tulsa, and ECU, I believe Air Force, BYU, Colorado State, and Fresno State or UNLV would have joined Boise State and SDSU in what could have been a true all sports western division and Army would have probably been compelled to join the east as well. The AAC could have looked something like this:

Appalachian Swamp Division
Army
Central Florida
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Memphis
Navy
South Florida
Temple

Rocky Sierra Division
Air Force
Boise State
Brigham Young
Colorado State
Houston
San Diego State
Southern Methodist
Either Fresno State or UNLV

Now that would have been a very strong BOR conference with some leverage to negotiate a comparatively lucrative tv contract and much better bowl options. But with ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa in the mix, that ship sailed and the opportunity is unlikely to happen again.

Patient for what? If your admins wanted to join they would of join. Don't make excuses for your inept planning. Tell me what reason would be needed for the AAC to be patient with those schools from the west. What were you guys waiting on? What was holding you back prior to the AAC asking ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa?

1. I'm not Bob Kustra so it wasn't my "inept planning."
2. As I already mentioned, the Big East should have exercised patience because a few more MWC schools probably would have joined and the eventual AAC would have a much better portfolio than it does today.
3. I have no clue what you're talking about with "what were you guys waiting on?" and "what was holding you back prior to .." as those questions have zero relevance to what I posted above.

(12-12-2017 09:18 AM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 07:48 AM)ECBrad Wrote:  Yeah it was ECU and Tulane's fault not your school administration for sinking the deal for sure buddy

I'm not blaming ECU or Tulane. I'm rather blaming Aresco and the Big East presidents at that time for getting an itchy trigger finger. They should have waited things out rather than acting quickly to add ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa. I'm really sorry to hurt your sensitive feelers but it's really not a debate as to whether or not the hypothetical league I presented above would be better than the current AAC.

ECU is traditionally good at football. They will be back. Tulane and Tulsa I probably would have passed but I know Tulane is making a serious commitment. Their football stadium is nicer that Boise or UCF. No sense of this argument. The networks would have to pay up to go passed 12.

(12-12-2017 09:22 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 09:18 AM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 07:48 AM)ECBrad Wrote:  Yeah it was ECU and Tulane's fault not your school administration for sinking the deal for sure buddy

I'm not blaming ECU or Tulane. I'm rather blaming Aresco and the Big East presidents at that time for getting an itchy trigger finger. They should have waited things out rather than acting quickly to add ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa. I'm really sorry to hurt your sensitive feelers but it's really not a debate as to whether or not the hypothetical league I presented above would be better than the current AAC.

ECU is traditionally good at football. They will be back. Tulane and Tulsa I probably would have passed but I know Tulane is making a serious commitment. Their football stadium is nicer that Boise or UCF. No sense of this argument. The networks would have to pay up to go passed 12.

Well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. I'm not trying to disparage ECU, Tulane, or Tulsa as they're decent schools which are not a total dumpster fire like SJSU is in the MWC. However, my personal opinion is the hypothetical league I posted above would have had a much better overall portfolio than the AAC that exists today.

(12-12-2017 09:22 AM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 08:33 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 05:01 AM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  Had the AAC just been patient and waited a bit before adding Tulane, Tulsa, and ECU, I believe Air Force, BYU, Colorado State, and Fresno State or UNLV would have joined Boise State and SDSU in what could have been a true all sports western division and Army would have probably been compelled to join the east as well. The AAC could have looked something like this:

Appalachian Swamp Division
Army
Central Florida
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Memphis
Navy
South Florida
Temple

Rocky Sierra Division
Air Force
Boise State
Brigham Young
Colorado State
Houston
San Diego State
Southern Methodist
Either Fresno State or UNLV

Now that would have been a very strong BOR conference with some leverage to negotiate a comparatively lucrative tv contract and much better bowl options. But with ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa in the mix, that ship sailed and the opportunity is unlikely to happen again.

Patient for what? If your admins wanted to join they would of join. Don't make excuses for your inept planning. Tell me what reason would be needed for the AAC to be patient with those schools from the west. What were you guys waiting on? What was holding you back prior to the AAC asking ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa?

1. I'm not Bob Kustra so it wasn't my "inept planning."
2. As I already mentioned, the Big East should have exercised patience because a few more MWC schools probably would have joined and the eventual AAC would have a much better portfolio than it does today.
3. I have no clue what you're talking about with "what were you guys waiting on?" and "what was holding you back prior to .." as those questions have zero relevance to what I posted above.

1. The "inept planning was referring to your admins. I assumed you would of known that but I guess I was wrong on that.

2. You can't assume (see #1) a few more MWC probably would of join. Especially now that the AAC is in a much better position than the MWC. You see the end result of what you missed out on so you want to blame the hastiness of the Big East on your short comings.

3. Yes it has a lot of relevance. You said that the AAC should of had patience. My question is why? You made up some Appalachian Rocky divisions but can't answer why the Big should of been patient? What should they have been waiting on?

(12-12-2017 09:47 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 09:22 AM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 08:33 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 05:01 AM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  Had the AAC just been patient and waited a bit before adding Tulane, Tulsa, and ECU, I believe Air Force, BYU, Colorado State, and Fresno State or UNLV would have joined Boise State and SDSU in what could have been a true all sports western division and Army would have probably been compelled to join the east as well. The AAC could have looked something like this:

Appalachian Swamp Division
Army
Central Florida
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Memphis
Navy
South Florida
Temple

Rocky Sierra Division
Air Force
Boise State
Brigham Young
Colorado State
Houston
San Diego State
Southern Methodist
Either Fresno State or UNLV

Now that would have been a very strong BOR conference with some leverage to negotiate a comparatively lucrative tv contract and much better bowl options. But with ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa in the mix, that ship sailed and the opportunity is unlikely to happen again.

Patient for what? If your admins wanted to join they would of join. Don't make excuses for your inept planning. Tell me what reason would be needed for the AAC to be patient with those schools from the west. What were you guys waiting on? What was holding you back prior to the AAC asking ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa?

1. I'm not Bob Kustra so it wasn't my "inept planning."
2. As I already mentioned, the Big East should have exercised patience because a few more MWC schools probably would have joined and the eventual AAC would have a much better portfolio than it does today.
3. I have no clue what you're talking about with "what were you guys waiting on?" and "what was holding you back prior to .." as those questions have zero relevance to what I posted above.

1. The "inept planning was referring to your admins. I assumed you would of known that but I guess I was wrong on that.

2. You can't assume (see #1) a few more MWC probably would of join. Especially now that the AAC is in a much better position than the MWC. You see the end result of what you missed out on so you want to blame the hastiness of the Big East on your short comings.

3. Yes it has a lot of relevance. You said that the AAC should of had patience. My question is why? You made up some Appalachian Rocky divisions but can't answer why the Big should of been patient? What should they have been waiting on?

sigh ... I'm obviously not dealing with a rocket scientist here.

Anyway, there was no urgency to add ECU, Tulane, or Tulsa at that time. I don't believe there is a strong argument that those schools helped the TV negotiations. The conference should have waited to see how the chips would eventually fall and would have been fine with 9 football members for a few seasons. Had the Big East have waited, Boise State and SDSU probably wouldn't have left and some of the top profile schools from the MWC and BYU likely would have joined.

(12-12-2017 09:28 AM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 09:22 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 09:18 AM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 07:48 AM)ECBrad Wrote:  Yeah it was ECU and Tulane's fault not your school administration for sinking the deal for sure buddy

I'm not blaming ECU or Tulane. I'm rather blaming Aresco and the Big East presidents at that time for getting an itchy trigger finger. They should have waited things out rather than acting quickly to add ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa. I'm really sorry to hurt your sensitive feelers but it's really not a debate as to whether or not the hypothetical league I presented above would be better than the current AAC.

ECU is traditionally good at football. They will be back. Tulane and Tulsa I probably would have passed but I know Tulane is making a serious commitment. Their football stadium is nicer that Boise or UCF. No sense of this argument. The networks would have to pay up to go passed 12.

Well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. I'm not trying to disparage ECU, Tulane, or Tulsa as they're decent schools which are not a total dumpster fire like SJSU is in the MWC. However, my personal opinion is the hypothetical league I posted above would have had a much better overall portfolio than the AAC that exists today.

The problem with the mwc is timezone. Outside of Boise State, nobody on the east coast will stay up in watch. I think there was hope that a coast to coast would pull ratings for the entire US. I just don't know if it is realistic. Unless it is football only, the current configuration for mwc and aac needs to stay put.

(12-12-2017 05:01 AM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  Had the AAC just been patient and waited a bit before adding Tulane, Tulsa, and ECU, I believe Air Force, BYU, Colorado State, and Fresno State or UNLV would have joined Boise State and SDSU in what could have been a true all sports western division and Army would have probably been compelled to join the east as well. The AAC could have looked something like this:

Appalachian Swamp Division
Army
Central Florida
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Memphis
Navy
South Florida
Temple

Rocky Sierra Division
Air Force
Boise State
Brigham Young
Colorado State
Houston
San Diego State
Southern Methodist
Either Fresno State or UNLV

Now that would have been a very strong BOR conference with some leverage to negotiate a comparatively lucrative tv contract and much better bowl options. But with ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa in the mix, that ship sailed and the opportunity is unlikely to happen again.

please stop i cant stand why all the bsu fans and mwc change history

1) we offered fresno and unlv to join the aac. but bsu was already in talks to join the mwc bac back, they rejected because bsu sabotaged it
https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-football/

2) stop his ridiculous narrative that boise only left becuase this team was added...bsu left becuase they pinned both conferencea against each other and the mwc caved...boise with tulane already in said if the aac matched the deal the mwc had they would stay...we said no..boise and sdsu arent in the mwc becuase boise wanted more money than everyone else (damaging whatever league it joined)

3) ecu does 48k in football when they are atleast decent (.500 bowl team)...when they are somewhat good they are capable of doing 60k-70k, 8win+(and before they started sucking they were in talks to expand their stadium to 60k) ecu also has historic rivalries with vtech, ncstate, wvu, and south carolina, by far the biggeest local fanbase in the G5. ecu over half those teams you named

4) what ship has sailed, we are getting a way better tv deal and bowl games in 2020 when we renegotiate, our position has drastically improved..the ship has sailed for boise to be a part of it for greed...

blame the boise administration for playing a short sighted game for only self benefit..

(12-12-2017 10:09 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 05:01 AM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  Had the AAC just been patient and waited a bit before adding Tulane, Tulsa, and ECU, I believe Air Force, BYU, Colorado State, and Fresno State or UNLV would have joined Boise State and SDSU in what could have been a true all sports western division and Army would have probably been compelled to join the east as well. The AAC could have looked something like this:

Appalachian Swamp Division
Army
Central Florida
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Memphis
Navy
South Florida
Temple

Rocky Sierra Division
Air Force
Boise State
Brigham Young
Colorado State
Houston
San Diego State
Southern Methodist
Either Fresno State or UNLV

Now that would have been a very strong BOR conference with some leverage to negotiate a comparatively lucrative tv contract and much better bowl options. But with ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa in the mix, that ship sailed and the opportunity is unlikely to happen again.

please stop i cant stand why all the bsu fans and mwc change history

1) we offered fresno and unlv to join the aac. but bsu was already in talks to join the mwc bac back, they rejected because bsu sabotaged it
https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-football/

2) stop his ridiculous narrative that boise only left becuase this team was added...bsu left becuase they pinned both conferencea against each other and the mwc caved...boise with tulane already in said if the aac matched the deal the mwc had they would stay...we said no..boise and sdsu arent in the mwc becuase boise wanted more money than everyone else (damaging whatever league it joined)

3) ecu does 48k in football when they are atleast decent (.500 bowl team)...when they are somewhat good they are capable of doing 60k-70k, 8win+(and before they started sucking they were in talks to expand their stadium to 60k) ecu also has historic rivalries with vtech, ncstate, wvu, and south carolina, by far the biggeest local fanbase in the G5. ecu over half those teams you named

4) what ship has sailed, we are getting a way better tv deal and bowl games in 2020 when we renegotiate, our position has drastically improved..the ship has sailed for boise to be a part of it for greed...

blame the boise administration for playing a short sighted game for only self benefit..

LOL ... Boise State left because the writing was on the wall that no true western division would ever take place and the Big East that they joined was not the same as the one they left and it was for damn sure the tv contract wasn't going to be as lucrative as advertised. There's no way the fanbase would have wanted to stay in the league as it's is currently configured. There was a lot of outcry about there not being a true western division. The Big East should have stayed put rather than inviting those three schools so quickly.

Anyway, please do keep us updated on your billions of dollars contract and P6 status. :)

(12-12-2017 09:59 AM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 09:47 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 09:22 AM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 08:33 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 05:01 AM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  Had the AAC just been patient and waited a bit before adding Tulane, Tulsa, and ECU, I believe Air Force, BYU, Colorado State, and Fresno State or UNLV would have joined Boise State and SDSU in what could have been a true all sports western division and Army would have probably been compelled to join the east as well. The AAC could have looked something like this:

Appalachian Swamp Division
Army
Central Florida
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Memphis
Navy
South Florida
Temple

Rocky Sierra Division
Air Force
Boise State
Brigham Young
Colorado State
Houston
San Diego State
Southern Methodist
Either Fresno State or UNLV

Now that would have been a very strong BOR conference with some leverage to negotiate a comparatively lucrative tv contract and much better bowl options. But with ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa in the mix, that ship sailed and the opportunity is unlikely to happen again.

Patient for what? If your admins wanted to join they would of join. Don't make excuses for your inept planning. Tell me what reason would be needed for the AAC to be patient with those schools from the west. What were you guys waiting on? What was holding you back prior to the AAC asking ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa?

1. I'm not Bob Kustra so it wasn't my "inept planning."
2. As I already mentioned, the Big East should have exercised patience because a few more MWC schools probably would have joined and the eventual AAC would have a much better portfolio than it does today.
3. I have no clue what you're talking about with "what were you guys waiting on?" and "what was holding you back prior to .." as those questions have zero relevance to what I posted above.

1. The "inept planning was referring to your admins. I assumed you would of known that but I guess I was wrong on that.

2. You can't assume (see #1) a few more MWC probably would of join. Especially now that the AAC is in a much better position than the MWC. You see the end result of what you missed out on so you want to blame the hastiness of the Big East on your short comings.

3. Yes it has a lot of relevance. You said that the AAC should of had patience. My question is why? You made up some Appalachian Rocky divisions but can't answer why the Big should of been patient? What should they have been waiting on?

sigh ... I'm obviously not dealing with a rocket scientist here.

Anyway, there was no urgency to add ECU, Tulane, or Tulsa at that time. I don't believe there is a strong argument that those schools helped the TV negotiations. The conference should have waited to see how the chips would eventually fall and would have been fine with 9 football members for a few seasons. Had the Big East have waited, Boise State and SDSU probably wouldn't have left and some of the top profile schools from the MWC and BYU likely would have joined.

No not a rocket scientist but smart enough to recognize the fallacy in your posts. But hey your happy in the MWC so I guess thats a good thing right? Next time Aresco offers an invite you might want to jump on it.