(12-04-2017 08:28 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 06:03 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  I had obligations that made it impossible to watch the game live, so for the first time in years I had to miss the game. I just watched the first half on DVR... didn't bother with the 2nd. My observations, some about the game and some about the season in general:

- Every single year, Xavier comes out on fire from 3. Their kids make shots, and ours don't. And given they come out on fire from 3 every year, you would think we wouldn't give up so many open looks. It's been a problem with our defense for years.

- Cronin gives everyone other than Clark and Evans an unnecessarily short leash. It hurts the flow of our offense, and perhaps more importantly, I think it gets in guys' heads and causes them to play tight. I'm tired of it.

- That technical late in the first half was so stupid. We had just made a great defensive play and the bench was on their feet and celebrating for the first time that I remember. Cronin scowls and throws temper tantrums every Shootout, and along with the ridiculous substitution patterns, it affects the way the team plays.

- We have guys that are willing to drive to the basket, but we still aren't making enough winning basketball plays without the ball. Guys aren't cutting to the basket enough, and they aren't always in the best position when a teammate drives.

- Other than Clark and Jenifer, I don't see a whole lot of progression in our players from last season. I know Evans is banged up, but he's either unwilling or unable to be the alpha dog he needs to be for this team to contend for a national title. Cumberland is still a bull going towards the basket, but his passing and court vision leave a bit to be desired. Washington is not getting in the flow of the games, perhaps partially because he's never on the floor for more than a few minutes.

- Free throws. We allegedly have our most talented team in 15+ years, yet we're still a below-average free throw shooting team. Our team average by season in the Cronin era from present to past: .678, .686, .705, .670, .708, .647, .644, .668, .638, .657, .665. This staff either can't coach or can't recruit shooters. Either way, it's pitiful.

- I'm annoyed that the narrative of Cincinnati being a team full of thugs still exists. This team is full of good kids (maybe too nice), yet a true thug like Macura makes an ass of himself and we take the heat because A - Cronin can't control his emotions and B - people won't let go of the Huggins era and the shootout fight. I'm tired of Xavier somehow coming out of these games looking like choir boys. Above all, I'm just ******* tired of losing to them.

Excellent game analysis.

Speaking more broadly about the game and the series, UC has done more to build X's basketball reputation than any advertising campaign imaginable. Much of their lore is about what they've done to UC the past two decades: beating the #1 ranked Bearcats not once but twice; portraying our teams as thugs against their choir boys before and after "the brawl" and winning 8 of the past 12. UC's basketball philanthropy toward X is worthy of gift-in-kind recognition from the administration on Victory Parkway. And UC has received nothing in return. That's the reason I felt years ago the series should have been terminated by UC after the brawl. UC still played in the real Big East and had a great rivalry with Louisville. At that time, X was still trying to break through to the big leagues.

When fans don't have championships or Final Four appearances, they fixate on these wins against a tradition rich program at UC. Give them their due; they have taken UC to the woodshed during this decade plus. So does UC "need" this game now? Yes and no. It's a quality opponent pre-conference and those have been in short supply. But I would argue that UC has had a scheduling breakthrough with the likes of UCLA, Florida, Butler, Iowa State and OSU and can find quality opponents on a home and home basis to fill Fifth-Third Arena in the coming years. I wouldn't miss the ugliness of the X game at all. And that banner posted earlier about Mick's deceased mother speaks volumes about that school's lack of institutional control. Matt Painter at Purdue got it right after a visit to Cintas--he was one and done with that place. In contrast, has any coach or school EVER made that statement about UC? I think not.

I'd take the return game next year at Fifth-Third and tell X that UC won't be returning to Cintas.

Its pretty much how I feel about this series. I don't think the series will be cancelled but UC should continue to try better non-conference opponents in case there comes a time call the series off. Playing Ohio State next year will take some of the shine off the shootout which is a good thing. Maybe the Ohio version of the crossroads classic would help as well. Actually UC should push to allow UC to play Xavier in that series if the games are played in Columbus. Anything from having to go Cintas every other year. If it is once every three years maybe that works to UC's advantage.

(12-04-2017 08:25 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  It’s early, this will be a different team in March. It’s up to Mick if we’re better-different instead of worse-different. The talent is there. I still believe this will be Mick’s best tournament run.

I'm not so sure the talent is there, particularly at point guard and at center. Prior to the season a lot of people compared Cane Broome to NVE based on some open gym workouts this past summer. To take a turn from Lloyd Bentsen during the 1988 VP Debate, "I was at UC with NVE. I knew NVE. NVE was a friend of mine. Cane Broome you are no NVE".

I don't think I need to dig real deep with down low. Kyle Washington has picked right up from what he did last year playing like trash against another quality big. Nysier Brooks is not the answer yet either-- particularly against the better competition.

The only true "talented" guys we have on the roster, who are ready now not next year (ie. Keith Williams, Trevor Moore) are Evans, Cumberland and Clark-- and so far this year Evans and Cumberland have played lethargic for large spells.

(12-04-2017 09:11 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 08:25 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  It’s early, this will be a different team in March. It’s up to Mick if we’re better-different instead of worse-different. The talent is there. I still believe this will be Mick’s best tournament run.

I'm not so sure the talent is there, particularly at point guard and at center. Prior to the season a lot of people compared Cane Broome to NVE based on some open gym workouts this past summer. To take a turn from Lloyd Bentsen during the 1988 VP Debate, "I was at UC with NVE. I knew NVE. NVE was a friend of mine. Cane Broome you are no NVE".

I don't think I need to dig real deep with down low. Kyle Washington has picked right up from what he did last year playing like trash against another quality big. Nysier Brooks is not the answer yet either-- particularly against the better competition.

The only true "talented" guys we have on the roster, who are ready now not next year (ie. Keith Williams, Trevor Moore) are Evans, Cumberland and Clark-- and so far this year Evans and Cumberland have played lethargic for large spells.

Once again, Clifton shoots it from behind the arc and "its nothing but net!"

Cane Broome you are no NVE - what an outstanding reference!

(12-04-2017 09:31 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 09:11 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 08:25 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  It’s early, this will be a different team in March. It’s up to Mick if we’re better-different instead of worse-different. The talent is there. I still believe this will be Mick’s best tournament run.

I'm not so sure the talent is there, particularly at point guard and at center. Prior to the season a lot of people compared Cane Broome to NVE based on some open gym workouts this past summer. To take a turn from Lloyd Bentsen during the 1988 VP Debate, "I was at UC with NVE. I knew NVE. NVE was a friend of mine. Cane Broome you are no NVE".

I don't think I need to dig real deep with down low. Kyle Washington has picked right up from what he did last year playing like trash against another quality big. Nysier Brooks is not the answer yet either-- particularly against the better competition.

The only true "talented" guys we have on the roster, who are ready now not next year (ie. Keith Williams, Trevor Moore) are Evans, Cumberland and Clark-- and so far this year Evans and Cumberland have played lethargic for large spells.

Once again, Clifton shoots it from behind the arc and "its nothing but net!"

Cane Broome you are no NVE - what an outstanding reference!

I think you guys are too hard on Kyle Washington and Cane Broome. Both guys play a style that probably doesn't mesh well with Mick's traditional approach so they lose confidence, overthink, and get benched. If they all figure it out this team can win the league and make a deep run and if they don't they still will make the tournament win a game and put themselves in position to advance to the Sweet 16.

(12-04-2017 09:39 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 09:31 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 09:11 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 08:25 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  It’s early, this will be a different team in March. It’s up to Mick if we’re better-different instead of worse-different. The talent is there. I still believe this will be Mick’s best tournament run.

I'm not so sure the talent is there, particularly at point guard and at center. Prior to the season a lot of people compared Cane Broome to NVE based on some open gym workouts this past summer. To take a turn from Lloyd Bentsen during the 1988 VP Debate, "I was at UC with NVE. I knew NVE. NVE was a friend of mine. Cane Broome you are no NVE".

I don't think I need to dig real deep with down low. Kyle Washington has picked right up from what he did last year playing like trash against another quality big. Nysier Brooks is not the answer yet either-- particularly against the better competition.

The only true "talented" guys we have on the roster, who are ready now not next year (ie. Keith Williams, Trevor Moore) are Evans, Cumberland and Clark-- and so far this year Evans and Cumberland have played lethargic for large spells.

Once again, Clifton shoots it from behind the arc and "its nothing but net!"

Cane Broome you are no NVE - what an outstanding reference!

I think you guys are too hard on Kyle Washington and Cane Broome. Both guys play a style that probably doesn't mesh well with Mick's traditional approach so they lose confidence, overthink, and get benched. If they all figure it out this team can win the league and make a deep run and if they don't they still will make the tournament win a game and put themselves in position to advance to the Sweet 16.

Kyle is who he is at this point... he's a 24 year old senior. He's not going to suddenly "figure it out" now. On the other side of the coin, Mick is not going to change for him either.

There's more of an upside to Cane, but I'm not sure we will benefit from it this season (maybe next). We've been playing point guard by committee this season (including Evans at time), and it is more out of necessity than the fact that the three are so darn good.

(12-04-2017 09:31 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 09:11 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 08:25 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  It’s early, this will be a different team in March. It’s up to Mick if we’re better-different instead of worse-different. The talent is there. I still believe this will be Mick’s best tournament run.

I'm not so sure the talent is there, particularly at point guard and at center. Prior to the season a lot of people compared Cane Broome to NVE based on some open gym workouts this past summer. To take a turn from Lloyd Bentsen during the 1988 VP Debate, "I was at UC with NVE. I knew NVE. NVE was a friend of mine. Cane Broome you are no NVE".

I don't think I need to dig real deep with down low. Kyle Washington has picked right up from what he did last year playing like trash against another quality big. Nysier Brooks is not the answer yet either-- particularly against the better competition.

The only true "talented" guys we have on the roster, who are ready now not next year (ie. Keith Williams, Trevor Moore) are Evans, Cumberland and Clark-- and so far this year Evans and Cumberland have played lethargic for large spells.

Once again, Clifton shoots it from behind the arc and "its nothing but net!"

Cane Broome you are no NVE - what an outstanding reference!

NVE was the best player on a final four team who went on to have a great NBA career. Cane doesn't have to be NVE.

Look, UC has a good team with good college players, 20-25 in the top 25. X has a good college team with a great player and future NBA guy, 10-15 in top 25. UC was a bit overrated to start the year, let's see if they can climb back.

Ok…2 days have passed. Time for some thoughts on the Crosstown Shootout before moving on to Florida. Preface- Mick is a really good coach, this UC team is going to be really good. Nothing I say changes any of that.
1. Chris Mack absolutely outcoached Mick and has done so multiple times in the Shootout. Mack treats the game as a huge deal and came out with an amazing gameplan early to get his team touches around the basket.
2. One of UC’s biggest advantages year after year is how much teams struggle to score inside against them. Mack ran multiple set plays that got his bigs the ball a couple feet from the hoop. Those shots were contested, but were deep enough that X’s skilled bigs finished.
3. This lead to X getting the space it needed on 3s and when they had any space at all they buried them. This has been a theme in shootouts when Mack has coached. XU’s early gameplan gets them a lead and by the time UC adjusts they are playing catchup.
4. Ultimately this game wasn’t even as close as the score. UC got into a big hole and never really climbed out. X had the crowd going and UC didn’t get enough stops to make the kind of run they needed to get back in it.
5. I get why Mick is pissed about Macura. That’s the kind of **** that lead to the brawl 6 years ago. X players chirping at the UC bench all game, a raucous crowd, cussing at the players. That’s can lead to a blowup and has.
6. Mick isn’t the first coach to call out Macura and when you read a lot of people that cover the Big East, they say it’s something many coaches take issue with.
7. However, Mick cannot react like that and his issue loses credibility when he does. Bring this up 3 days from now when people have cooled down. You just got your ass kicked…you look bitter and like you’re making excuses when you react like that and make it a point of focus right after the game.
8. Ultimately, UC is going to be fine and has a great opportunity against Florida. The shootout has become a real struggle for Mick and Mack seems to always figure out how to attack UC early in a game to put XU in a great position.
9. I do think UC was hurt by the way its nonconference schedule was backloaded. XU has players UC isn’t used to. Those other teams could not score around the basket with UC players on them, XU could. Against talented teams you can’t let them catch it that deep.
10. I think UC will figure it out, learn from this game and be ready to go against Florida. This team has the guys to make a final four run. Time to respond.

(12-04-2017 09:11 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 08:25 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  It’s early, this will be a different team in March. It’s up to Mick if we’re better-different instead of worse-different. The talent is there. I still believe this will be Mick’s best tournament run.

I'm not so sure the talent is there, particularly at point guard and at center. Prior to the season a lot of people compared Cane Broome to NVE based on some open gym workouts this past summer. To take a turn from Lloyd Bentsen during the 1988 VP Debate, "I was at UC with NVE. I knew NVE. NVE was a friend of mine. Cane Broome you are no NVE".

I don't think I need to dig real deep with down low. Kyle Washington has picked right up from what he did last year playing like trash against another quality big. Nysier Brooks is not the answer yet either-- particularly against the better competition.

The only true "talented" guys we have on the roster, who are ready now not next year (ie. Keith Williams, Trevor Moore) are Evans, Cumberland and Clark-- and so far this year Evans and Cumberland have played lethargic for large spells.

Broome isn't Van Exel--a 15 year pro-- and those comparisons were hilariously idealistic. But he doesn't need to NVE for this team to be great. Washington averaged 12 and 6 last season. He got worked underneath by XU, but he'll be fine. Brooks and Scott are capable backups.

This is a big overreaction to getting smoked in a rivalry game.

(12-04-2017 11:38 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 09:11 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 08:25 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  It’s early, this will be a different team in March. It’s up to Mick if we’re better-different instead of worse-different. The talent is there. I still believe this will be Mick’s best tournament run.

I'm not so sure the talent is there, particularly at point guard and at center. Prior to the season a lot of people compared Cane Broome to NVE based on some open gym workouts this past summer. To take a turn from Lloyd Bentsen during the 1988 VP Debate, "I was at UC with NVE. I knew NVE. NVE was a friend of mine. Cane Broome you are no NVE".

I don't think I need to dig real deep with down low. Kyle Washington has picked right up from what he did last year playing like trash against another quality big. Nysier Brooks is not the answer yet either-- particularly against the better competition.

The only true "talented" guys we have on the roster, who are ready now not next year (ie. Keith Williams, Trevor Moore) are Evans, Cumberland and Clark-- and so far this year Evans and Cumberland have played lethargic for large spells.

Broome isn't Van Exel--a 15 year pro-- and those comparisons were hilariously idealistic. But he doesn't need to NVE for this team to be great. Washington averaged 12 and 6 last season. He got worked underneath by XU, but he'll be fine. Brooks and Scott are capable backups.

This is a big overreaction to getting smoked in a rivalry game.

In the first true road game of their season against a team that takes it to a different level at home. It sucks because its Xavier, but sometimes people need to take a step back.

(12-04-2017 09:39 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 09:31 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 09:11 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 08:25 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  It’s early, this will be a different team in March. It’s up to Mick if we’re better-different instead of worse-different. The talent is there. I still believe this will be Mick’s best tournament run.

I'm not so sure the talent is there, particularly at point guard and at center. Prior to the season a lot of people compared Cane Broome to NVE based on some open gym workouts this past summer. To take a turn from Lloyd Bentsen during the 1988 VP Debate, "I was at UC with NVE. I knew NVE. NVE was a friend of mine. Cane Broome you are no NVE".

I don't think I need to dig real deep with down low. Kyle Washington has picked right up from what he did last year playing like trash against another quality big. Nysier Brooks is not the answer yet either-- particularly against the better competition.

The only true "talented" guys we have on the roster, who are ready now not next year (ie. Keith Williams, Trevor Moore) are Evans, Cumberland and Clark-- and so far this year Evans and Cumberland have played lethargic for large spells.

Once again, Clifton shoots it from behind the arc and "its nothing but net!"

Cane Broome you are no NVE - what an outstanding reference!

I think you guys are too hard on Kyle Washington and Cane Broome. Both guys play a style that probably doesn't mesh well with Mick's traditional approach so they lose confidence, overthink, and get benched. If they all figure it out this team can win the league and make a deep run and if they don't they still will make the tournament win a game and put themselves in position to advance to the Sweet 16.

This. The exact same thing happened that has always happened with Mick. The team plays a very loose and aggressive style of offense against worthless opponents and then as soon as we play any decent team Mick slams on the breaks and gets his PGs to stop just after half court, look at him, give them a play, then the pg calls out a play with a lot of pointless movement and no actual screens being set. The set play results in nothing so we force it to Gary who backs his guy down and does a quick spin and chucks it at the rim or kicks it out for a 3 attempt.

(12-04-2017 12:01 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 09:39 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 09:31 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 09:11 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 08:25 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  It’s early, this will be a different team in March. It’s up to Mick if we’re better-different instead of worse-different. The talent is there. I still believe this will be Mick’s best tournament run.

I'm not so sure the talent is there, particularly at point guard and at center. Prior to the season a lot of people compared Cane Broome to NVE based on some open gym workouts this past summer. To take a turn from Lloyd Bentsen during the 1988 VP Debate, "I was at UC with NVE. I knew NVE. NVE was a friend of mine. Cane Broome you are no NVE".

I don't think I need to dig real deep with down low. Kyle Washington has picked right up from what he did last year playing like trash against another quality big. Nysier Brooks is not the answer yet either-- particularly against the better competition.

The only true "talented" guys we have on the roster, who are ready now not next year (ie. Keith Williams, Trevor Moore) are Evans, Cumberland and Clark-- and so far this year Evans and Cumberland have played lethargic for large spells.

Once again, Clifton shoots it from behind the arc and "its nothing but net!"

Cane Broome you are no NVE - what an outstanding reference!

I think you guys are too hard on Kyle Washington and Cane Broome. Both guys play a style that probably doesn't mesh well with Mick's traditional approach so they lose confidence, overthink, and get benched. If they all figure it out this team can win the league and make a deep run and if they don't they still will make the tournament win a game and put themselves in position to advance to the Sweet 16.

This. The exact same thing happened that has always happened with Mick. The team plays a very loose and aggressive style of offense against worthless opponents and then as soon as we play any decent team Mick slams on the breaks and gets his PGs to stop just after half court, look at him, give them a play, then the pg calls out a play with a lot of pointless movement and no actual screens being set. The set play results in nothing so we force it to Gary who backs his guy down and does a quick spin and chucks it at the rim or kicks it out for a 3 attempt.

UC didn't lose that game on the offensive end. They lost it on defense and on the glass where they let XU rebound 42% of their misses. Had UC gotten more stops this would have been a good game.

I don't get why so many people are down on Broome.
If you were expecting NVE then that is on you.

Broome is a better player than Jenifer and will only get better as he gets more games under his belt.

I wish Cronin wasn't so quick to pull him or others when they make a mistake.

UC can't have Kyle continued to be a no-show in big games

Mick needs to get a 5th year big for next year.

(12-04-2017 12:04 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 12:01 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 09:39 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 09:31 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 09:11 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I'm not so sure the talent is there, particularly at point guard and at center. Prior to the season a lot of people compared Cane Broome to NVE based on some open gym workouts this past summer. To take a turn from Lloyd Bentsen during the 1988 VP Debate, "I was at UC with NVE. I knew NVE. NVE was a friend of mine. Cane Broome you are no NVE".

I don't think I need to dig real deep with down low. Kyle Washington has picked right up from what he did last year playing like trash against another quality big. Nysier Brooks is not the answer yet either-- particularly against the better competition.

The only true "talented" guys we have on the roster, who are ready now not next year (ie. Keith Williams, Trevor Moore) are Evans, Cumberland and Clark-- and so far this year Evans and Cumberland have played lethargic for large spells.

Once again, Clifton shoots it from behind the arc and "its nothing but net!"

Cane Broome you are no NVE - what an outstanding reference!

I think you guys are too hard on Kyle Washington and Cane Broome. Both guys play a style that probably doesn't mesh well with Mick's traditional approach so they lose confidence, overthink, and get benched. If they all figure it out this team can win the league and make a deep run and if they don't they still will make the tournament win a game and put themselves in position to advance to the Sweet 16.

This. The exact same thing happened that has always happened with Mick. The team plays a very loose and aggressive style of offense against worthless opponents and then as soon as we play any decent team Mick slams on the breaks and gets his PGs to stop just after half court, look at him, give them a play, then the pg calls out a play with a lot of pointless movement and no actual screens being set. The set play results in nothing so we force it to Gary who backs his guy down and does a quick spin and chucks it at the rim or kicks it out for a 3 attempt.

UC didn't lose that game on the offensive end. They lost it on defense and on the glass where they let XU rebound 42% of their misses. Had UC gotten more stops this would have been a good game.

And that’s exactly what Mci Cronin would say. I say if UC had made more of their shots they would have been right there. I think they were out of rhythm offensively which can make players uncomfortable and cause misses that are usually makes.

Cronin always reminds of Juergen Klinsmans USMT. Balls to the wall against crap competition and then all out defense and hoping for a miracle against world class teams. It drives me crazy. If Mick wants to compete against the big boys he needs to have the kindest that UC is one of the big boys and they make other teams adjust to them. E

When the first shots they took were a quick missed three by Jennifer, a missed three by Cumberland a missed jump shot by Clark and a missed three by Evans sandwiched around a few missed free throws, I think we all knew what to expect.

(12-04-2017 03:18 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  And that’s exactly what Mci Cronin would say. I say if UC had made more of their shots they would have been right there. I think they were out of rhythm offensively which can make players uncomfortable and cause misses that are usually makes.

Cronin always reminds of Juergen Klinsmans USMT. Balls to the wall against crap competition and then all out defense and hoping for a miracle against world class teams. It drives me crazy. If Mick wants to compete against the big boys he needs to have the kindest that UC is one of the big boys and they make other teams adjust to them. E

This is always the UC fan answer... we just didn't have the offense. Reality of that game is despite a slow start UC scored 1.01 pts per possession. The problem was they gave up 1.19 points per possession which is staggeringly bad for UC. UC missed some shots early and Xavier hit some shots early and UC let that effect the way they played the rest of the game. Last year UC won because despite being jumped early they kept playing defense and rebounding the basketball, so when UC started scoring they were able to take the game.

This year UC eventually started putting the ball in the basket and had a decent offensive game. XU eventually started missing some, but UC let Xavier rebound 42% of their misses. That absolutely killed any chance UC had to get back in the game. You can't make a run if you are repeatedly giving up second chance points. The last 30 minutes of the game the Bearcat put up 67 points. Had they hit the glass and defended at the level they are capable of they could have very easily done what they did last year and put themselves in position to win. Instead they let their offensive struggles the first 10 minutes take them out of what they needed to do.

It's no surprise that UC's adjusted offensive efficiency numbers stayed the same under kenpom after the game and their defensive numbers dropped a few points per 100 possessions.

Mark that game was lost in the first ten minutes. What was their points per possession in the first ten minutes? They couldn’t hit anything, including one footers by Gary Clark.

Yes I. Addition to not making shots they also got out rebounded and played horrible defense.

I’m with a few others that have said if Mick doesn’t want to try to match the X intensity then he needs to end the series because he’s embarrassing himself.

(12-05-2017 06:52 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  Mark that game was lost in the first ten minutes. What was their points per possession in the first ten minutes? They couldn’t hit anything, including one footers by Gary Clark.

Yes I. Addition to not making shots they also got out rebounded and played horrible defense.

I’m with a few others that have said if Mick doesn’t want to try to match the X intensity then he needs to end the series because he’s embarrassing himself.

^^^^

I like Mark, but sometimes I wonder if he even watches the same games, and just checks the computer stats after. The bottom line is the parts of the game that counted the most, at the beginnings of each half we got our a** kicked and couldn't hit bunnies, free throws, or open threes to stay in the game. Sure there were moments where Evans and Cumberland got some garbage points, but couldn't do it when it really mattered, just like the Bengals.

(12-05-2017 06:59 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 06:52 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  Mark that game was lost in the first ten minutes. What was their points per possession in the first ten minutes? They couldn’t hit anything, including one footers by Gary Clark.

Yes I. Addition to not making shots they also got out rebounded and played horrible defense.

I’m with a few others that have said if Mick doesn’t want to try to match the X intensity then he needs to end the series because he’s embarrassing himself.

^^^^

I like Mark, but sometimes I wonder if he even watches the same games, and just checks the computer stats after. The bottom line is the parts of the game that counted the most, at the beginnings of each half we got our a** kicked and couldn't hit bunnies, free throws, or open threes to stay in the game. Sure there were moments where Evans and Cumberland got some garbage points, but couldn't do it when it really mattered, just like the Bengals.

Story of our lives as Cincinnati fans. We always have teams that can't get it done when it counts. I knew when the Steelers cut it to a touchdown we were going to lose.

(12-05-2017 07:19 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 06:59 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 06:52 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  Mark that game was lost in the first ten minutes. What was their points per possession in the first ten minutes? They couldn’t hit anything, including one footers by Gary Clark.

Yes I. Addition to not making shots they also got out rebounded and played horrible defense.

I’m with a few others that have said if Mick doesn’t want to try to match the X intensity then he needs to end the series because he’s embarrassing himself.

^^^^

I like Mark, but sometimes I wonder if he even watches the same games, and just checks the computer stats after. The bottom line is the parts of the game that counted the most, at the beginnings of each half we got our a** kicked and couldn't hit bunnies, free throws, or open threes to stay in the game. Sure there were moments where Evans and Cumberland got some garbage points, but couldn't do it when it really mattered, just like the Bengals.

Story of our lives as Cincinnati fans. We always have teams that can't get it done when it counts. I knew when the Steelers cut it to a touchdown we were going to lose.

the 1990 Reds got it done