Good article on the difference between our two stars. For us to reach our potential we need this to change.

http://www.sportingnews.com/amp/ncaa-bas...h9yvq7akpi

I think he has a good point, but it was not the big driver in the game. There should also have been an article why Kyle Washington didn't show up. He shot 14 ft's in the game last year against the same guys, and this year he looked completely lost out there. For a 5th year guy that's ridiculous.

(12-03-2017 09:31 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  Oh stop sobbin already and get on with the season. In case you guys have not noticed, Xavier has our number. I always pencil this game in as a loss and am usually shocked if we beat them. Whatever it is, they are our Achilles heel. Mostly seems to be between the ears, because I don’t think we are a worse team. I still have high expectations for this team and I think we are going to have a good year.

But for whatever reason, Xavier is owning us for the last couple decades. Maybe it will change, maybe it won’t. I am not losing sleep over it. Nothing to see hear folks.

Yup...because they see this for what it is: a bitter rivalry that you circle on your calendar. Mick treats it like any other game and the players reflect that. So we are basically sending guys on a peace mission into a war zone. They get blitzed. Funny how every XU game starts with us down 25-5. That's why. Either see the game as a heated rivalry and match their intensity from the jump or STOP PLAYING THEM.

(12-03-2017 10:10 AM)dsquare Wrote:  I think he has a good point, but it was not the big driver in the game. There should also have been an article why Kyle Washington didn't show up. He shot 14 ft's in the game last year against the same guys, and this year he looked completely lost out there. For a 5th year guy that's ridiculous.

In the 1st half, Evans, Cumberland, and Washington were wallflowers and spectators and Gary Clark wanted to be a perimeter player that didn’t box out.

How the heck that wasn’t a bigger halftime lead I have no idea.

(12-03-2017 10:16 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(12-03-2017 09:31 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  Oh stop sobbin already and get on with the season. In case you guys have not noticed, Xavier has our number. I always pencil this game in as a loss and am usually shocked if we beat them. Whatever it is, they are our Achilles heel. Mostly seems to be between the ears, because I don’t think we are a worse team. I still have high expectations for this team and I think we are going to have a good year.

But for whatever reason, Xavier is owning us for the last couple decades. Maybe it will change, maybe it won’t. I am not losing sleep over it. Nothing to see hear folks.

Yup...because they see this for what it is: a bitter rivalry that you circle on your calendar. Mick treats it like any other game and the players reflect that. So we are basically sending guys on a peace mission into a war zone. They get blitzed. Funny how every XU game starts with us down 25-5. That's why. Either see the game as a heated rivalry and match their intensity from the jump or STOP PLAYING THEM.

This mostly happens when the game isn't at UC's home gym. Going to Wichita State and SMU isn't going easy either. The NCAA tournament isn't played on home courts and second the tournament is over three months away and a lot can happen between now and March Madness. November and December basketball doesn't give you a complete picture but it can set the table for the rest of the season.

Here are real issues going forward:

1. PG play, who takes the job and gives UC consistent play against high level teams.
2. Searching for an Alpha Male, today's basketball makes it difficult for a post player to be the man so either Evans or Cumberland needs to be that guy.
3. Defense against elite offense. Too many times elite offenses exposes UC.
4. Bench help, who can you play in real games?
5. Bad non-conference SOS, this will really limit the Cats if they can't win the next three games.

Even if the issues remain this team is probably going to win 25 to 26 regular season games and make the tournament. If they figure just a few of these issues out then a deep run is possible.

The one thing that was glaring on the defensive end yesterday was that X spread Uc out and drove right by them on many, many occasions. I realize they have good perimeter shooters so you cannot sag against them, but the lack of any help which you typically see with Uc was non existent except for situations under the bucket where we happened to be guarding other players. Whether it was lack of recognition by players, or lack of athleticism i do not know, but it was pretty poor.

The Turkish kid made Gary look like he was wearing lead shoes. That was disheartening.

Every semi-skilled team we play this year will be studying that game tape.

(12-03-2017 10:53 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(12-03-2017 10:16 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(12-03-2017 09:31 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  Oh stop sobbin already and get on with the season. In case you guys have not noticed, Xavier has our number. I always pencil this game in as a loss and am usually shocked if we beat them. Whatever it is, they are our Achilles heel. Mostly seems to be between the ears, because I don’t think we are a worse team. I still have high expectations for this team and I think we are going to have a good year.

But for whatever reason, Xavier is owning us for the last couple decades. Maybe it will change, maybe it won’t. I am not losing sleep over it. Nothing to see hear folks.

Yup...because they see this for what it is: a bitter rivalry that you circle on your calendar. Mick treats it like any other game and the players reflect that. So we are basically sending guys on a peace mission into a war zone. They get blitzed. Funny how every XU game starts with us down 25-5. That's why. Either see the game as a heated rivalry and match their intensity from the jump or STOP PLAYING THEM.

This mostly happens when the game isn't at UC's home gym. Going to Wichita State and SMU isn't going easy either. The NCAA tournament isn't played on home courts and second the tournament is over three months away and a lot can happen between now and March Madness. November and December basketball doesn't give you a complete picture but it can set the table for the rest of the season.

Here are real issues going forward:

1. PG play, who takes the job and gives UC consistent play against high level teams.
2. Searching for an Alpha Male, today's basketball makes it difficult for a post player to be the man so either Evans or Cumberland needs to be that guy.
3. Defense against elite offense. Too many times elite offenses exposes UC.
4. Bench help, who can you play in real games?
5. Bad non-conference SOS, this will really limit the Cats if they can't win the next three games.

Even if the issues remain this team is probably going to win 25 to 26 regular season games and make the tournament. If they figure just a few of these issues out then a deep run is possible.

Not saying this will happen but it is possible. What happens if the cats drop their next 3 games and don't win the conference or conference tourney? They may have 20+ wins at the end of the year but will it have the resume to get into the tourney? Will a split with WSU be good enough to build the resume if they fall to X, UCLA, Florida and Miss st. and don't come away with any conference hardware? It's all hypothetical so don't go all crazy here.

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(12-03-2017 11:59 AM)Spinal070508 Wrote:  

(12-03-2017 10:53 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(12-03-2017 10:16 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(12-03-2017 09:31 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  Oh stop sobbin already and get on with the season. In case you guys have not noticed, Xavier has our number. I always pencil this game in as a loss and am usually shocked if we beat them. Whatever it is, they are our Achilles heel. Mostly seems to be between the ears, because I don’t think we are a worse team. I still have high expectations for this team and I think we are going to have a good year.

But for whatever reason, Xavier is owning us for the last couple decades. Maybe it will change, maybe it won’t. I am not losing sleep over it. Nothing to see hear folks.

Yup...because they see this for what it is: a bitter rivalry that you circle on your calendar. Mick treats it like any other game and the players reflect that. So we are basically sending guys on a peace mission into a war zone. They get blitzed. Funny how every XU game starts with us down 25-5. That's why. Either see the game as a heated rivalry and match their intensity from the jump or STOP PLAYING THEM.

This mostly happens when the game isn't at UC's home gym. Going to Wichita State and SMU isn't going easy either. The NCAA tournament isn't played on home courts and second the tournament is over three months away and a lot can happen between now and March Madness. November and December basketball doesn't give you a complete picture but it can set the table for the rest of the season.

Here are real issues going forward:

1. PG play, who takes the job and gives UC consistent play against high level teams.
2. Searching for an Alpha Male, today's basketball makes it difficult for a post player to be the man so either Evans or Cumberland needs to be that guy.
3. Defense against elite offense. Too many times elite offenses exposes UC.
4. Bench help, who can you play in real games?
5. Bad non-conference SOS, this will really limit the Cats if they can't win the next three games.

Even if the issues remain this team is probably going to win 25 to 26 regular season games and make the tournament. If they figure just a few of these issues out then a deep run is possible.

Not saying this will happen but it is possible. What happens if the cats drop their next 3 games and don't win the conference or conference tourney? They may have 20+ wins at the end of the year but will it have the resume to get into the tourney? Will a split with WSU be good enough to build the resume if they fall to X, UCLA, Florida and Miss st. and don't come away with any conference hardware? It's all hypothetical so don't go all crazy here.

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1-3 is now a very real possibility, be glad Miss. St. is home.

My question is there any discipline of Mick warranted, just think if Mack went after one of UC players.

As much as I'm sure Mick wants to cancel the game, it won't be cancelled since it is the most profitable game on schedule and the movers and shakers in town won't let it be cancelled. The time to get rid of the game was in the 1970s or 80s when XU was significantly worse. Of course UC won then so it wasn't cancelled.

Mick reminds me of Dusty Baker - great Manager on a day to day basis but just completely unable to get the team fired up when necessary. Plus like Dusty Mick seems to be proud that he doesn't get the team fired up so he won't change.

(12-03-2017 01:57 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  As much as I'm sure Mick wants to cancel the game, it won't be cancelled since it is the most profitable game on schedule and the movers and shakers in town won't let it be cancelled. The time to get rid of the game was in the 1970s or 80s when XU was significantly worse. Of course UC won then so it wasn't cancelled.

Mick reminds me of Dusty Baker - great Manager on a day to day basis but just completely unable to get the team fired up when necessary. Plus like Dusty Mick seems to be proud that he doesn't get the team fired up so he won't change.

Chris Mack reminds me of this hole between my butt cheeks...

(12-03-2017 12:20 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(12-03-2017 11:59 AM)Spinal070508 Wrote:  

(12-03-2017 10:53 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(12-03-2017 10:16 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(12-03-2017 09:31 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  Oh stop sobbin already and get on with the season. In case you guys have not noticed, Xavier has our number. I always pencil this game in as a loss and am usually shocked if we beat them. Whatever it is, they are our Achilles heel. Mostly seems to be between the ears, because I don’t think we are a worse team. I still have high expectations for this team and I think we are going to have a good year.

But for whatever reason, Xavier is owning us for the last couple decades. Maybe it will change, maybe it won’t. I am not losing sleep over it. Nothing to see hear folks.

Yup...because they see this for what it is: a bitter rivalry that you circle on your calendar. Mick treats it like any other game and the players reflect that. So we are basically sending guys on a peace mission into a war zone. They get blitzed. Funny how every XU game starts with us down 25-5. That's why. Either see the game as a heated rivalry and match their intensity from the jump or STOP PLAYING THEM.

This mostly happens when the game isn't at UC's home gym. Going to Wichita State and SMU isn't going easy either. The NCAA tournament isn't played on home courts and second the tournament is over three months away and a lot can happen between now and March Madness. November and December basketball doesn't give you a complete picture but it can set the table for the rest of the season.

Here are real issues going forward:

1. PG play, who takes the job and gives UC consistent play against high level teams.
2. Searching for an Alpha Male, today's basketball makes it difficult for a post player to be the man so either Evans or Cumberland needs to be that guy.
3. Defense against elite offense. Too many times elite offenses exposes UC.
4. Bench help, who can you play in real games?
5. Bad non-conference SOS, this will really limit the Cats if they can't win the next three games.

Even if the issues remain this team is probably going to win 25 to 26 regular season games and make the tournament. If they figure just a few of these issues out then a deep run is possible.

Not saying this will happen but it is possible. What happens if the cats drop their next 3 games and don't win the conference or conference tourney? They may have 20+ wins at the end of the year but will it have the resume to get into the tourney? Will a split with WSU be good enough to build the resume if they fall to X, UCLA, Florida and Miss st. and don't come away with any conference hardware? It's all hypothetical so don't go all crazy here.

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1-3 is now a very real possibility, be glad Miss. St. is home.

Cats are winning at least two out of the next three.

(12-03-2017 12:22 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  My question is there any discipline of Mick warranted, just think if Mack went after one of UC players.

I was thinking about that last night. He probably should be as that is conduct unbecoming of a head coach at a major institution. I'm sure nothing will happen but he should at least issue an apology.

(12-02-2017 10:09 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 10:04 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 09:35 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  the Leaders at Xavier have to know that their fan base at Xavier certainly does not represent the values of a university founded by Churches or church values. They've probably turned more people away from Church than any incompetent preacher ever could. They need to sit back and reflect on what their Founding Values were.
Macura is a punk that will have to play overseas if he wants to continue in the sport. He can shoot with most but he's got other issues especially with his attitude. His face contorts like someone with Bell's Palsy when he speaks.

Yes, XU has really lost it's way. What's that about making fun of the college kid's face?




I wish UC had a player who played with an edge like Macura (I think Cumberland has a little bit of that in him actually). Give Evans Macura's attitude and he's a damn all american.

There a fine line between playing with an attitude and telling opposing teams COACHES to **** off and suck my ****. That's not acceptable anywhere at any level unless you play basketball for Chris Mack.

supposedly, Chris Mack was reported to mentioned he was hosting a party at his house for the players and his friends/alumni after the game. I'm sure he won't let the underage players drink alcohol unless it's served in a communion cup.

Mick owes an apology for getting fired up after the game (I'm all good with the technical). I doubt this happens.

Macura and Mack owe an apology for being asshats, but we're still waiting for the apology from the incident several years back so it won't happen either.

Welcome to college athletics.

(12-03-2017 02:01 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(12-03-2017 01:57 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  As much as I'm sure Mick wants to cancel the game, it won't be cancelled since it is the most profitable game on schedule and the movers and shakers in town won't let it be cancelled. The time to get rid of the game was in the 1970s or 80s when XU was significantly worse. Of course UC won then so it wasn't cancelled.

Mick reminds me of Dusty Baker - great Manager on a day to day basis but just completely unable to get the team fired up when necessary. Plus like Dusty Mick seems to be proud that he doesn't get the team fired up so he won't change.

Chris Mack reminds me of this hole between my butt cheeks...

You have a hole there? Weird. Might want to get that checked out.

End of the day, look at the recruiting rankings and that will tell you the story. In 12 seasons, we have had 3 top 50 players and no McDAA. Only one of those top 50 players was with us for more than one year. This is where we are failing.

(12-03-2017 03:36 PM)jarr Wrote:  End of the day, look at the recruiting rankings and that will tell you the story. In 12 seasons, we have had 3 top 50 players and no McDAA. Only one of those top 50 players was with us for more than one year. This is where we are failing.

Pretty sure X hasn’t had any McDonalds kids ether.

The excuse making on here is hilarious.

(12-03-2017 03:36 PM)jarr Wrote:  End of the day, look at the recruiting rankings and that will tell you the story. In 12 seasons, we have had 3 top 50 players and no McDAA. Only one of those top 50 players was with us for more than one year. This is where we are failing.

Fair point. Set yesterday's angst aside, does UC have the players to go toe to toe with Florida on Saturday? Some here couldn't wait for Caupain to get his degree so Broome could push the ball to unleash the offensive potential of this team. That may still happen.

Frankly, I'm more concerned about having bigs next year who are ready to play on offense. Yes, they are athletic, but who among this group has shown any consistent ability to make jump shots against a mid or high major opponent? Honestly, is there a four or five star forward considering UC for next season? A "ready now" guy to fill that void? I think that's where it's fair to question choices made in recruiting--or even the will or ability to recruit at a higher level.

Mick didn't help his cause yesterday with in-game coaching or post-game behavior. I'll reserve judgment until we have a whole season to evaluate. But even one and three in this four game December set won't raise the bar on expectations for what was trumpeted as "Mick's best team" a few short weeks ago.