(11-26-2017 06:19 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 05:10 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 04:43 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 03:24 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 01:51 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  What a buzz kill! Why not just enjoy the win?

Really. I'll tell you one ramification. When those three freshmen, who logged more minutes and a couple of whom seemed to finally wake up, are upperclassmen, we might actually be pretty good. We just need to sign a few more like them next time. And if Azab is at least as good as Chad, this team may win a few more that nobody (including me) expected.

You are totally right about the freshmen. The more they play the better off tomorrow is. Anyone that knows basketball should be able to see what Nickleberry and Johnson can be when they are juniors. I’d start Nickleberry. Sit Parks <—— 450Bench’s favorite ). Try to get Brewton’s confidence up. Continue to play Johnson and Victor Enoh big minutes. The more those thee freshmen play the quicker they will become heavy contributors.

Not sold on enoh but he plays hard and moves his feet well enough to not get abused if we switch on defense

He is very physcally mature for a freshman. He looks like he can lift a small car for a tire change.

That he is

(11-26-2017 09:45 AM)cmt Wrote:  The win against Northern Kentucky really changed the next 10 for us
We were 138 and were most likely going to be even at best heading into Conference play

Now
139 Memphis 3-1

148 UAB ? 3-2 or 4-1
86 Mercer L 4-2
193 Samford W 5-2
322 Bryant W 6-2
82 Albany L 6-3
23 Louisville L 6-4
262 Siena W 7-4
265 Loyola Md W 8-4
97 LSU L 8-5

8 Cincinnati L 8-6

Now, it appears we'll be at best 9-5 or at worst 7-7
Shows what a big win against the mighty Northern Kentucky Norse Men can do! I don't think we can break even in conference play, but if we do, we most likely won't have a losing record this season.

Ok! Thanks!

(11-26-2017 04:26 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  Yeah, the guy from Southern Illinois does that -- predicts half a dozen more wins than anyone in the media. Then he can trash the coach for not achieving his numbers, or, if he's ever right, he can claim to be a basketball guru.

No 8th place or below team in the American has ever had better than a .500 record, and we were picked to finish below that by everyone, as far as I can remember.

“Basketball guru” I love it.

Some of these gurus said Davenport sucked.

(11-26-2017 09:45 AM)cmt Wrote:  The win against Northern Kentucky really changed the next 10 for us
We were 138 and were most likely going to be even at best heading into Conference play

Now
139 Memphis 3-1

148 UAB ? 3-2 or 4-1
86 Mercer L 4-2
193 Samford W 5-2
322 Bryant W 6-2
82 Albany L 6-3
23 Louisville L 6-4
262 Siena W 7-4
265 Loyola Md W 8-4
97 LSU L 8-5
8 Cincinnati L 8-6

Now, it appears we'll be at best 9-5 or at worst 7-7
Shows what a big win against the mighty Northern Kentucky Norse Men can do! I don't think we can break even in conference play, but if we do, we most likely won't have a losing record this season.

I know this is based on a projection, but looking at the individual matchups, I don't see how an 11-3 record is out of the question ...

I still think the team is an unknown commodity, I see 2 90+% chance of losses, Cinci and Louisville.

UAB is going to be tough, it's a rival, and on the road, but it's 50/50.

Mercer ... yeah, we could lose, but it's not like they are world beaters, their best win is over Liberty.

Albany is 6-0, kudos to them, but Holy Cross and SUNY Oneonta aren't exactly Duke and UNC. Again, we could lose, but I wouldn't put it over 50%. I'd actually think Memphis ends up favored.

LSU ... they look like a decent team, beat Michigan, got their doors blown off by Notre Dame and lost to Marquette by 10, but it is at home, probably 40%.

Not that I would bet on 11-3, but I wouldn't just flatly rule it out. I think there is a much stronger chance we are 9-5 than 7-7.

I wish we had a crew of 5* studs boat racing teams, but we don't; I'm at least happy to have guys that bust their asses.

Ima let the season play out, re-evaluate, and cheer on the team. It could be a disaster or a pleasant surprise ... stay tuned.

(11-26-2017 11:10 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 09:45 AM)cmt Wrote:  The win against Northern Kentucky really changed the next 10 for us
We were 138 and were most likely going to be even at best heading into Conference play

Now
139 Memphis 3-1

148 UAB ? 3-2 or 4-1
86 Mercer L 4-2
193 Samford W 5-2
322 Bryant W 6-2
82 Albany L 6-3
23 Louisville L 6-4
262 Siena W 7-4
265 Loyola Md W 8-4
97 LSU L 8-5
8 Cincinnati L 8-6

Now, it appears we'll be at best 9-5 or at worst 7-7
Shows what a big win against the mighty Northern Kentucky Norse Men can do! I don't think we can break even in conference play, but if we do, we most likely won't have a losing record this season.

I know this is based on a projection, but looking at the individual matchups, I don't see how an 11-3 record is out of the question ...

I still think the team is an unknown commodity, I see 2 90+% chance of losses, Cinci and Louisville.

UAB is going to be tough, it's a rival, and on the road, but it's 50/50.

Mercer ... yeah, we could lose, but it's not like they are world beaters, their best win is over Liberty.

Albany is 6-0, kudos to them, but Holy Cross and SUNY Oneonta aren't exactly Duke and UNC. Again, we could lose, but I wouldn't put it over 50%. I'd actually think Memphis ends up favored.

LSU ... they look like a decent team, beat Michigan, got their doors blown off by Notre Dame and lost to Marquette by 10, but it is at home, probably 40%.

Not that I would bet on 11-3, but I wouldn't just flatly rule it out. I think there is a much stronger chance we are 9-5 than 7-7.

I wish we had a crew of 5* studs boat racing teams, but we don't; I'm at least happy to have guys that bust their asses.

Ima let the season play out, re-evaluate, and cheer on the team. It could be a disaster or a pleasant surprise ... stay tuned.

(11-26-2017 05:06 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 04:03 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Been saying all along this is a 20 win schedule. People are hyping themselves up about a win over Northern KY.... Northern KY is not a good team.

Just because they don't have a known brand, it doesn't mean it wasn't a good win. Yesterday was a really good win, especially at this time of the year.

Do you know anything at all about Northern Ky? Why did they make the tourney last year? Because they were the best team in a very very crappy league. That does not make them a good team. Go check out their 2016-17 schedule and who they played, who they beat and who they lost to, they are crap. Good win, we beat a crap team.

(11-26-2017 04:26 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 04:03 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Been saying all along this is a 20 win schedule. People are hyping themselves up about a win over Northern KY.... Northern KY is not a good team.

Miserable..

Dude, you are unbelievably negative. No one is acting like we beat Duke, but they did come back from a 16 point deficit and beat a team that made the NCAA tourney. It’s better than losing!

We’ve played a weak schedule for years. You act like it’s something new.

Check out my response to Stammers. they are a crap team any way you shake it. Great that we won, but that doesn't change anything about this team. We will get 20 wins because our schedule puts us in an easy position to get 20 wins over cupcakes.

2016-17 NORTHERN KENTUCKY NORSE SCHEDULE
DATE OPPONENT RESULT/TIME RECORD/TICKETS
Fri, Nov 11
vsEarlham
W96-56
1-0 (0-0)
Sun, Nov 13
@

Illinois
L79-64
1-1 (0-0)
Fri, Nov 18
vs

Austin Peay*
L77-69
1-2 (0-0)
Sat, Nov 19
vs

Delaware*
W74-53
2-2 (0-0)
Sun, Nov 20
@

Miami (OH)
W79-70
3-2 (0-0)
Sat, Nov 26
vs

North Carolina Central
L82-74
3-3 (0-0)
Wed, Nov 30
@

Morehead St
W84-79
4-3 (0-0)
Sat, Dec 3
@

Norfolk State
W72-61
5-3 (0-0)
Wed, Dec 7
vs

Eastern Illinois
W80-70
6-3 (0-0)
Sat, Dec 10
@

Southeast Missouri State
W80-66
7-3 (0-0)
Sun, Dec 18
vs

Eastern Washington
W70-48
8-3 (0-0)
Wed, Dec 21
vsBrescia
W97-73
9-3 (0-0)
Fri, Dec 23
@

#11 West Virginia
L92-61
9-4 (0-0)
Thu, Dec 29
@

Detroit Mercy
W81-70
10-4 (1-0)
Sat, Dec 31
@

Oakland
L76-65
10-5 (1-1)
Thu, Jan 5
vs

Youngstown State
W83-70
11-5 (2-1)
Sat, Jan 7
vs

Cleveland State
W83-75
12-5 (3-1)
Tue, Jan 10
@

Green Bay
L80-71
12-6 (3-2)
Thu, Jan 12
@

Milwaukee
L68-58
12-7 (3-3)
Fri, Jan 20
vs

Oakland
L79-70
12-8 (3-4)
Sun, Jan 22
vs

Detroit Mercy
W101-87
13-8 (4-4)
Fri, Jan 27
@

UIC
W79-62
14-8 (5-4)
Sun, Jan 29
@

Valparaiso
L65-58
14-9 (5-5)
Sat, Feb 4
@

Wright State
W83-79
15-9 (6-5)
Thu, Feb 9
vs

Green Bay
W69-67
16-9 (7-5)
Sat, Feb 11
vs

Milwaukee
W69-63
17-9 (8-5)
Thu, Feb 16
@

Cleveland State
W62-60
18-9 (9-5)
Sat, Feb 18
@

Youngstown State
L81-77
18-10 (9-6)
Tue, Feb 21
vs

Wright State
W83-76
19-10 (10-6)
Fri, Feb 24
vs

UIC
W90-82
20-10 (11-6)
Sun, Feb 26
vs

Valparaiso
W82-78
21-10 (12-6)
Sun, Mar 5
vs

Wright State*
W82-77
22-10 (12-6)
Mon, Mar 6
vs

Youngstown State*
W84-74
23-10 (12-6)
Tue, Mar 7
vs

Milwaukee*
W59-53
24-10 (12-6)

They lost to freaking Austin Peay last year and still made the tournament.

Check out their other losses, to some central who cares team, Green who freaking cares Bay, etc.

Davenport, Nickelberry, Rivers, Johnson and Martin.

(11-27-2017 12:07 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  2016-17 NORTHERN KENTUCKY NORSE SCHEDULE
DATE OPPONENT RESULT/TIME RECORD/TICKETS
Fri, Nov 11
vsEarlham
W96-56
1-0 (0-0)
Sun, Nov 13
@

Illinois
L79-64
1-1 (0-0)
Fri, Nov 18
vs

Austin Peay*
L77-69
1-2 (0-0)
Sat, Nov 19
vs

Delaware*
W74-53
2-2 (0-0)
Sun, Nov 20
@

Miami (OH)
W79-70
3-2 (0-0)
Sat, Nov 26
vs

North Carolina Central
L82-74
3-3 (0-0)
Wed, Nov 30
@

Morehead St
W84-79
4-3 (0-0)
Sat, Dec 3
@

Norfolk State
W72-61
5-3 (0-0)
Wed, Dec 7
vs

Eastern Illinois
W80-70
6-3 (0-0)
Sat, Dec 10
@

Southeast Missouri State
W80-66
7-3 (0-0)
Sun, Dec 18
vs

Eastern Washington
W70-48
8-3 (0-0)
Wed, Dec 21
vsBrescia
W97-73
9-3 (0-0)
Fri, Dec 23
@

#11 West Virginia
L92-61
9-4 (0-0)
Thu, Dec 29
@

Detroit Mercy
W81-70
10-4 (1-0)
Sat, Dec 31
@

Oakland
L76-65
10-5 (1-1)
Thu, Jan 5
vs

Youngstown State
W83-70
11-5 (2-1)
Sat, Jan 7
vs

Cleveland State
W83-75
12-5 (3-1)
Tue, Jan 10
@

Green Bay
L80-71
12-6 (3-2)
Thu, Jan 12
@

Milwaukee
L68-58
12-7 (3-3)
Fri, Jan 20
vs

Oakland
L79-70
12-8 (3-4)
Sun, Jan 22
vs

Detroit Mercy
W101-87
13-8 (4-4)
Fri, Jan 27
@

UIC
W79-62
14-8 (5-4)
Sun, Jan 29
@

Valparaiso
L65-58
14-9 (5-5)
Sat, Feb 4
@

Wright State
W83-79
15-9 (6-5)
Thu, Feb 9
vs

Green Bay
W69-67
16-9 (7-5)
Sat, Feb 11
vs

Milwaukee
W69-63
17-9 (8-5)
Thu, Feb 16
@

Cleveland State
W62-60
18-9 (9-5)
Sat, Feb 18
@

Youngstown State
L81-77
18-10 (9-6)
Tue, Feb 21
vs

Wright State
W83-76
19-10 (10-6)
Fri, Feb 24
vs

UIC
W90-82
20-10 (11-6)
Sun, Feb 26
vs

Valparaiso
W82-78
21-10 (12-6)
Sun, Mar 5
vs

Wright State*
W82-77
22-10 (12-6)
Mon, Mar 6
vs

Youngstown State*
W84-74
23-10 (12-6)
Tue, Mar 7
vs

Milwaukee*
W59-53
24-10 (12-6)

They lost to freaking Austin Peay last year and still made the tournament.

Check out their other losses, to some central who cares team, Green who freaking cares Bay, etc.

Yep... miserable

(11-27-2017 12:52 AM)450bench Wrote:  Davenport, Nickelberry, Rivers, Johnson and Martin.

Agree, but perhaps insert Enoh when facing a big man that does not venture much outside the paint. I also think Rhodes has earned playing time. He is a true point guard and it shows. I believe Brewton, Thornton, and Parks can contribute off the bench while adjusting to D-1. One strength we possess, I think, is flexibility.

I thought Brewton and Thornton would be more of a factor. They may yet.

(11-27-2017 12:07 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  2016-17 NORTHERN KENTUCKY NORSE SCHEDULE
DATE OPPONENT RESULT/TIME RECORD/TICKETS
Fri, Nov 11
vsEarlham
W96-56
1-0 (0-0)
Sun, Nov 13
@

Illinois
L79-64
1-1 (0-0)
Fri, Nov 18
vs

Austin Peay*
L77-69
1-2 (0-0)
Sat, Nov 19
vs

Delaware*
W74-53
2-2 (0-0)
Sun, Nov 20
@

Miami (OH)
W79-70
3-2 (0-0)
Sat, Nov 26
vs

North Carolina Central
L82-74
3-3 (0-0)
Wed, Nov 30
@

Morehead St
W84-79
4-3 (0-0)
Sat, Dec 3
@

Norfolk State
W72-61
5-3 (0-0)
Wed, Dec 7
vs

Eastern Illinois
W80-70
6-3 (0-0)
Sat, Dec 10
@

Southeast Missouri State
W80-66
7-3 (0-0)
Sun, Dec 18
vs

Eastern Washington
W70-48
8-3 (0-0)
Wed, Dec 21
vsBrescia
W97-73
9-3 (0-0)
Fri, Dec 23
@

#11 West Virginia
L92-61
9-4 (0-0)
Thu, Dec 29
@

Detroit Mercy
W81-70
10-4 (1-0)
Sat, Dec 31
@

Oakland
L76-65
10-5 (1-1)
Thu, Jan 5
vs

Youngstown State
W83-70
11-5 (2-1)
Sat, Jan 7
vs

Cleveland State
W83-75
12-5 (3-1)
Tue, Jan 10
@

Green Bay
L80-71
12-6 (3-2)
Thu, Jan 12
@

Milwaukee
L68-58
12-7 (3-3)
Fri, Jan 20
vs

Oakland
L79-70
12-8 (3-4)
Sun, Jan 22
vs

Detroit Mercy
W101-87
13-8 (4-4)
Fri, Jan 27
@

UIC
W79-62
14-8 (5-4)
Sun, Jan 29
@

Valparaiso
L65-58
14-9 (5-5)
Sat, Feb 4
@

Wright State
W83-79
15-9 (6-5)
Thu, Feb 9
vs

Green Bay
W69-67
16-9 (7-5)
Sat, Feb 11
vs

Milwaukee
W69-63
17-9 (8-5)
Thu, Feb 16
@

Cleveland State
W62-60
18-9 (9-5)
Sat, Feb 18
@

Youngstown State
L81-77
18-10 (9-6)
Tue, Feb 21
vs

Wright State
W83-76
19-10 (10-6)
Fri, Feb 24
vs

UIC
W90-82
20-10 (11-6)
Sun, Feb 26
vs

Valparaiso
W82-78
21-10 (12-6)
Sun, Mar 5
vs

Wright State*
W82-77
22-10 (12-6)
Mon, Mar 6
vs

Youngstown State*
W84-74
23-10 (12-6)
Tue, Mar 7
vs

Milwaukee*
W59-53
24-10 (12-6)

They lost to freaking Austin Peay last year and still made the tournament.

Check out their other losses, to some central who cares team, Green who freaking cares Bay, etc.

I agree NKU is not a juggernaut, but the program has sunk so low that an upset over NKU is noteworthy because it shows we have the capacity to beat a top 125 RPI team.

A victory over NKU alone does not mean Tubby has met the standard set by Dr. Rudd. Tubby must produce results meeting or exceeding the standard and he has not done it yet and there is little evidence to date he will do it in the future.

[I agree NKU is not a juggernaut, but the program has sunk so low that an upset over NKU is noteworthy because it shows we have the capacity to beat a top 125 RPI team.

A victory over NKU alone does not mean Tubby has met the standard set by Dr. Rudd. Tubby must produce results meeting or exceeding the standard and he has not done it yet and there is little evidence to date he will do it in the future.
[/quote]

Di you really call a victory over a top 125 RPI team noteworthy! Have we really sunk this low? Has Tubby lowered our expectations to this point? Surely not!

(11-26-2017 08:12 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 04:26 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  Yeah, the guy from Southern Illinois does that -- predicts half a dozen more wins than anyone in the media. Then he can trash the coach for not achieving his numbers, or, if he's ever right, he can claim to be a basketball guru.

No 8th place or below team in the American has ever had better than a .500 record, and we were picked to finish below that by everyone, as far as I can remember.

“Basketball guru” I love it.

Some of these gurus said Davenport sucked.

Huh?

You gave us the crack scouting report after the L-O game and predicted a 25 win season.

And link to "Davenport sucked?"

(11-26-2017 06:19 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 05:10 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 04:43 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 03:24 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 01:51 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  What a buzz kill! Why not just enjoy the win?

Really. I'll tell you one ramification. When those three freshmen, who logged more minutes and a couple of whom seemed to finally wake up, are upperclassmen, we might actually be pretty good. We just need to sign a few more like them next time. And if Azab is at least as good as Chad, this team may win a few more that nobody (including me) expected.

You are totally right about the freshmen. The more they play the better off tomorrow is. Anyone that knows basketball should be able to see what Nickleberry and Johnson can be when they are juniors. I’d start Nickleberry. Sit Parks <—— 450Bench’s favorite ). Try to get Brewton’s confidence up. Continue to play Johnson and Victor Enoh big minutes. The more those thee freshmen play the quicker they will become heavy contributors.

Not sold on enoh but he plays hard and moves his feet well enough to not get abused if we switch on defense

He is very physcally mature for a freshman. He looks like he can lift a small car for a tire change.

Then he should be in the WWE.

I prefer guys to be able to put the ball in the basket. But that's just me.

(11-26-2017 04:26 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  Yeah, the guy from Southern Illinois does that -- predicts half a dozen more wins than anyone in the media. Then he can trash the coach for not achieving his numbers, or, if he's ever right, he can claim to be a basketball guru.

No 8th place or below team in the American has ever had better than a .500 record, and we were picked to finish below that by everyone, as far as I can remember.

Huh?

Your boy Joe1 predicted a 25 win season.

I went through the schedule and predicted 19 or 20 wins.

As of right now, I remain correct.

The rest of the bolded stuff is just ignorant speak, a team can certainly have a losing conference record and still have an overall winning record.

And my predictions are on this board, not hard to find.

You guys are acting like beating NKU is some sort of accomplishment. They have one player taller than 6'6, they were third in the Horizon last year, and our "pat ourselves on the back moment" is that they didn't get destroyed in the the NCAA tourney LAST year. (even though they did lose OOC games to UNC-Central and APSU).

(11-27-2017 09:40 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 06:19 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 05:10 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 04:43 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 03:24 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  Really. I'll tell you one ramification. When those three freshmen, who logged more minutes and a couple of whom seemed to finally wake up, are upperclassmen, we might actually be pretty good. We just need to sign a few more like them next time. And if Azab is at least as good as Chad, this team may win a few more that nobody (including me) expected.

You are totally right about the freshmen. The more they play the better off tomorrow is. Anyone that knows basketball should be able to see what Nickleberry and Johnson can be when they are juniors. I’d start Nickleberry. Sit Parks <—— 450Bench’s favorite ). Try to get Brewton’s confidence up. Continue to play Johnson and Victor Enoh big minutes. The more those thee freshmen play the quicker they will become heavy contributors.

Not sold on enoh but he plays hard and moves his feet well enough to not get abused if we switch on defense

He is very physcally mature for a freshman. He looks like he can lift a small car for a tire change.

Then he should be in the WWE.

I prefer guys to be able to put the ball in the basket. But that's just me.

Agree, I was only commenting on his physical attributes. It is better for an inside player to be strong than weak, but strength without skill is useless.

(11-27-2017 09:37 AM)pwman Wrote:  [I agree NKU is not a juggernaut, but the program has sunk so low that an upset over NKU is noteworthy because it shows we have the capacity to beat a top 125 RPI team.

A victory over NKU alone does not mean Tubby has met the standard set by Dr. Rudd. Tubby must produce results meeting or exceeding the standard and he has not done it yet and there is little evidence to date he will do it in the future.

Di you really call a victory over a top 125 RPI team noteworthy! Have we really sunk this low? Has Tubby lowered our expectations to this point? Surely not!
[/quote]

My expectations have not been lowered one centimeter.

(11-27-2017 09:46 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 04:26 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  Yeah, the guy from Southern Illinois does that -- predicts half a dozen more wins than anyone in the media. Then he can trash the coach for not achieving his numbers, or, if he's ever right, he can claim to be a basketball guru.

No 8th place or below team in the American has ever had better than a .500 record, and we were picked to finish below that by everyone, as far as I can remember.

Huh?

Your boy Joe1 predicted a 25 win season.

I went through the schedule and predicted 19 or 20 wins.

As of right now, I remain correct.

The rest of the bolded stuff is just ignorant speak, a team can certainly have a losing conference record and still have an overall winning record.

And my predictions are on this board, not hard to find.

You guys are acting like beating NKU is some sort of accomplishment. They have one player taller than 6'6, they were third in the Horizon last year, and our "pat ourselves on the back moment" is that they didn't get destroyed in the the NCAA tourney LAST year. (even though they did lose OOC games to UNC-Central and APSU).

Here is a quote from a Kentucky article praising how good the Norse were last year in the NCAA tourny. They may not be world beaters but this was still a good win.

"Friday’s slog with the Norse (24-11), who were making their March Madness debut, was anything but a classic. Kentucky (30-5) led by just two points with seven minutes left in the first half and by only seven with two minutes to go in the game. If not for a combined 36 points by De’Aaron Fox and Isaiah Briscoe and a monster rebounding night from Bam Adebayo, NKU might’ve really scared the Final Four hopefuls."