(11-24-2017 04:14 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:13 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  I'm with 7 on the OC change but Carey won't fire anyone he knows well like coach u. So many of the play calls this season have been head scratchers. Especially all the plays to the short side of the field or the short yardage they try the QB keeper when the RB has been gain he 1-2 Yards the whole game. That type of stuff 100% on the coaches.

I really think in hindsight making Cole the scapegoat for how 2015 ended was probably Carey's worst move as head coach.

The way Compher handled the coaching change during Orange Bowl was the biggest mistake. Just so he could table the interview process to keep his imminent departure open, we got a guy that is not capable as a coach. The damage Compher did, my goodness.

(11-24-2017 04:15 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:11 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:10 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:06 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:00 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  The bigger negative is coaching. NIU has the talent at QB, just not talent that can succeed under this coaching staff

That's your belief. Pretty much only you. Your agenda is to knock Carey. If Childers fails, it's Carey. If NIU only wins 9 games, it's Carey. I don't see talent at QB. You do. you have built up an excuse wall around any opinions you have...this guy is good-unless Carey ruins him. Therefore You will always be right. It's a good agenda. Enjoy it.

Its not an agenda, it is just watching a broken record over and over and over again. We know Carey can't handle evaluation of the QB position, why does he continue to be involved in decisions involving the quarterback. By opening day, we never know who the starter is going to be, how does that build anything. It just blows my mind the ONE job a coach should be responsible for, Carey is incapable of handling. Carey is better served as an offensive line coach, or something to that degree. He is in over his head right now, I hate to be so harsh, but thinking ahead to next season when a QB decision still wont be made until Week 7 of the season is just too hard to stomach. Carey is afraid of making mistakes, afraid of players making mistakes, and it has crippled this football program

Based on what? Carey made Childers the guy in the first conference game of the season this year. He made Hare the guy after the Northwestern game.

Again, there's just no basis for what you're saying.

The point is, decisions need to be made before the season and not fluctuating during the season. This should not be much to ask! You know, coaches being coaches? Part of the problem is Carey's philosophy has become so conservative and fearful of the mistake, a true QB skillset is never on display or has a chance to develop. Thus, he can't evaluate QB talent in a system where QB skills are not desired. Its just infuriating because unless there is a coaching change, this is never changing.

This just isn't true lol. This system is so unbelievably QB friendly it's not even funny.

Maddie was a WR in fall ball last year and in his first start had 450 total yards. If you can run, throw a deep ball, and not be a complete idiot with the ball (Santa), this offense works.

The issue this year was none of the QBs were good. The only truly talented guy in that room turned the ball over like it's going out of style.

(11-24-2017 04:10 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:06 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The defense exceeded expectations. By quite a bit. The offense was pretty bad. It feels like a waste. Just an average offense and a macc or 10 wins was possible. But more so, I think the negativity is that we still have no QB for next year. You don't get a defense like this often. And you shouldn't have such bad QBs this often either. Hard to believe they happened at the same time.

That's your belief. Pretty much only you. Your agenda is to knock Childers. You have built up an excuse wall around any opinions you have. Therefore you will always be right. It's a good agenda. Enjoy it.

I'm the only one who believes Childers is bad? What board are you on? Mocking only works if it makes sense. I'll have to assume you're out of rational arguments if this is where you're going.

(11-24-2017 04:17 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:14 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:13 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  I'm with 7 on the OC change but Carey won't fire anyone he knows well like coach u. So many of the play calls this season have been head scratchers. Especially all the plays to the short side of the field or the short yardage they try the QB keeper when the RB has been gain he 1-2 Yards the whole game. That type of stuff 100% on the coaches.

I really think in hindsight making Cole the scapegoat for how 2015 ended was probably Carey's worst move as head coach.

The way Compher handled the coaching change during Orange Bowl was the biggest mistake. Just so he could table the interview process to keep his imminent departure open, we got a guy that is not capable as a coach. The damage Compher did, my goodness.

Carey has been coach for 5 years now and has won 66% of his games. It wasn't a mistake, it was a good move no matter how delusional you and others may be.

(11-24-2017 04:17 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:15 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:11 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:10 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:06 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  That's your belief. Pretty much only you. Your agenda is to knock Carey. If Childers fails, it's Carey. If NIU only wins 9 games, it's Carey. I don't see talent at QB. You do. you have built up an excuse wall around any opinions you have...this guy is good-unless Carey ruins him. Therefore You will always be right. It's a good agenda. Enjoy it.

Its not an agenda, it is just watching a broken record over and over and over again. We know Carey can't handle evaluation of the QB position, why does he continue to be involved in decisions involving the quarterback. By opening day, we never know who the starter is going to be, how does that build anything. It just blows my mind the ONE job a coach should be responsible for, Carey is incapable of handling. Carey is better served as an offensive line coach, or something to that degree. He is in over his head right now, I hate to be so harsh, but thinking ahead to next season when a QB decision still wont be made until Week 7 of the season is just too hard to stomach. Carey is afraid of making mistakes, afraid of players making mistakes, and it has crippled this football program

Based on what? Carey made Childers the guy in the first conference game of the season this year. He made Hare the guy after the Northwestern game.

Again, there's just no basis for what you're saying.

The point is, decisions need to be made before the season and not fluctuating during the season. This should not be much to ask! You know, coaches being coaches? Part of the problem is Carey's philosophy has become so conservative and fearful of the mistake, a true QB skillset is never on display or has a chance to develop. Thus, he can't evaluate QB talent in a system where QB skills are not desired. Its just infuriating because unless there is a coaching change, this is never changing.

This just isn't true lol. This system is so unbelievably QB friendly it's not even funny.

Maddie was a WR in fall ball last year and in his first start had 450 total yards. If you can run, throw a deep ball, and not be a complete idiot with the ball (Santa), this offense works.

The issue this year was none of the QBs were good. The only truly talented guy in that room turned the ball over like it's going out of style.

Name 1 QB that has progressed and shown improvement under Carey. Thanks for playing.

(11-24-2017 04:06 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:05 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  I have no idea who calls plays.It ultimately falls on the HC. The decision to run or pass, short or long, the package, the tempo.

They have enough talent around the QB to win this game. That's the focus. Not next yr, next game. Not past MAC titles, MACC. THIS game. Coach THIS game.

I don't know what happened in that 2nd half. It's not like a team with far better talent played to ability across from them. This team, offense lost the game.

Not the end of the world, but a 17 pt lead and zero 2nd half pts is not to be overlooked. And once again, a questionable TO, play calling and on field personnel packages can be questioned.

In all fairness defense played horrible in the 2nd half and was just as much at fault. It gets hard though when have a coach that does not like to be in possession of the football.

NIU ran 14 plays on 4 drives (3 3 and outs, then 5 play INT) to start 2nd half to CMU 29 (one with 15 plays) leading to 3 scores. They had 1/2 their yardage for the game in 3 drives. 1/3 in 2 plays.

Not scoring is bad enough. But you can't keep getting 3 and outs. Kills you defense, especially one relying on quickness as NIU does. They get tired. You see the results, Ws when they cause 3 and outs themselves. Can't expect them to win every game.

2nd half drive charts:

http://www.espn.com/college-football/box...=400945028

(11-24-2017 04:19 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:06 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:05 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  I have no idea who calls plays.It ultimately falls on the HC. The decision to run or pass, short or long, the package, the tempo.

They have enough talent around the QB to win this game. That's the focus. Not next yr, next game. Not past MAC titles, MACC. THIS game. Coach THIS game.

I don't know what happened in that 2nd half. It's not like a team with far better talent played to ability across from them. This team, offense lost the game.

Not the end of the world, but a 17 pt lead and zero 2nd half pts is not to be overlooked. And once again, a questionable TO, play calling and on field personnel packages can be questioned.

In all fairness defense played horrible in the 2nd half and was just as much at fault. It gets hard though when have a coach that does not like to be in possession of the football.

NIU ran 14 plays on 4 drives (3 3 and outs, then 5 play INT) to start 2nd half to CMU 29 (one with 15 plays) leading to 3 scores. They had 1/2 their yardage for the game in 3 drives. 1/3 in 2 plays.

Not scoring is bad enough. But you can't keep getting 3 and outs. Kills you defense, especially one relying on quickness as NIU does. They get tired. You see the results, Ws when they cause 3 and outs themselves. Can't expect them to win every game.

2nd half drive charts:

http://www.espn.com/college-football/box...=400945028

Yeah, and if the plan going forward is to try to win games with your defense the offense needs to slow the hell down. They went 3 and out on their first two drives of the half in like 30 seconds.

I don't think that's the plan, though.

(11-24-2017 04:19 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:17 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:15 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:11 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:10 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Its not an agenda, it is just watching a broken record over and over and over again. We know Carey can't handle evaluation of the QB position, why does he continue to be involved in decisions involving the quarterback. By opening day, we never know who the starter is going to be, how does that build anything. It just blows my mind the ONE job a coach should be responsible for, Carey is incapable of handling. Carey is better served as an offensive line coach, or something to that degree. He is in over his head right now, I hate to be so harsh, but thinking ahead to next season when a QB decision still wont be made until Week 7 of the season is just too hard to stomach. Carey is afraid of making mistakes, afraid of players making mistakes, and it has crippled this football program

Based on what? Carey made Childers the guy in the first conference game of the season this year. He made Hare the guy after the Northwestern game.

Again, there's just no basis for what you're saying.

The point is, decisions need to be made before the season and not fluctuating during the season. This should not be much to ask! You know, coaches being coaches? Part of the problem is Carey's philosophy has become so conservative and fearful of the mistake, a true QB skillset is never on display or has a chance to develop. Thus, he can't evaluate QB talent in a system where QB skills are not desired. Its just infuriating because unless there is a coaching change, this is never changing.

This just isn't true lol. This system is so unbelievably QB friendly it's not even funny.

Maddie was a WR in fall ball last year and in his first start had 450 total yards. If you can run, throw a deep ball, and not be a complete idiot with the ball (Santa), this offense works.

The issue this year was none of the QBs were good. The only truly talented guy in that room turned the ball over like it's going out of style.

Name 1 QB that has progressed and shown improvement under Carey. Thanks for playing.

Lynch? Hare?

Do you forget Lynch threw for -1 yards in the second half of his first start? Do you remember how bad Hare was on deep balls his first year?

The system and coaching isn't the main issue, they just didn't have any talent this year.

(11-24-2017 04:19 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:17 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:15 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:11 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:10 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Its not an agenda, it is just watching a broken record over and over and over again. We know Carey can't handle evaluation of the QB position, why does he continue to be involved in decisions involving the quarterback. By opening day, we never know who the starter is going to be, how does that build anything. It just blows my mind the ONE job a coach should be responsible for, Carey is incapable of handling. Carey is better served as an offensive line coach, or something to that degree. He is in over his head right now, I hate to be so harsh, but thinking ahead to next season when a QB decision still wont be made until Week 7 of the season is just too hard to stomach. Carey is afraid of making mistakes, afraid of players making mistakes, and it has crippled this football program

Based on what? Carey made Childers the guy in the first conference game of the season this year. He made Hare the guy after the Northwestern game.

Again, there's just no basis for what you're saying.

The point is, decisions need to be made before the season and not fluctuating during the season. This should not be much to ask! You know, coaches being coaches? Part of the problem is Carey's philosophy has become so conservative and fearful of the mistake, a true QB skillset is never on display or has a chance to develop. Thus, he can't evaluate QB talent in a system where QB skills are not desired. Its just infuriating because unless there is a coaching change, this is never changing.

This just isn't true lol. This system is so unbelievably QB friendly it's not even funny.

Maddie was a WR in fall ball last year and in his first start had 450 total yards. If you can run, throw a deep ball, and not be a complete idiot with the ball (Santa), this offense works.

The issue this year was none of the QBs were good. The only truly talented guy in that room turned the ball over like it's going out of style.

Name 1 QB that has progressed and shown improvement under Carey. Thanks for playing.

(11-24-2017 04:19 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:17 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:15 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:11 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:10 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Its not an agenda, it is just watching a broken record over and over and over again. We know Carey can't handle evaluation of the QB position, why does he continue to be involved in decisions involving the quarterback. By opening day, we never know who the starter is going to be, how does that build anything. It just blows my mind the ONE job a coach should be responsible for, Carey is incapable of handling. Carey is better served as an offensive line coach, or something to that degree. He is in over his head right now, I hate to be so harsh, but thinking ahead to next season when a QB decision still wont be made until Week 7 of the season is just too hard to stomach. Carey is afraid of making mistakes, afraid of players making mistakes, and it has crippled this football program

Based on what? Carey made Childers the guy in the first conference game of the season this year. He made Hare the guy after the Northwestern game.

Again, there's just no basis for what you're saying.

The point is, decisions need to be made before the season and not fluctuating during the season. This should not be much to ask! You know, coaches being coaches? Part of the problem is Carey's philosophy has become so conservative and fearful of the mistake, a true QB skillset is never on display or has a chance to develop. Thus, he can't evaluate QB talent in a system where QB skills are not desired. Its just infuriating because unless there is a coaching change, this is never changing.

This just isn't true lol. This system is so unbelievably QB friendly it's not even funny.

Maddie was a WR in fall ball last year and in his first start had 450 total yards. If you can run, throw a deep ball, and not be a complete idiot with the ball (Santa), this offense works.

The issue this year was none of the QBs were good. The only truly talented guy in that room turned the ball over like it's going out of style.

Name 1 QB that has progressed and shown improvement under Carey. Thanks for playing.

Wouldn't that fall more on the QB coach. Which I've said before Harmon needs to maybe be let go. The development has really gone down since zibrowkowski,poore and Cole. I remember to this day that harnish really credited his progression to the QB coach from soph to junior years

(11-24-2017 04:00 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 03:56 PM)SiegInc Wrote:  So what about next year? This is what we get to look forward to? Lets just recognize the situation for what it is; Carey has failed to recruit a serviceable QB. He's tried all three, and they all suck for various reasons. By the grace of the MAC being terrible we are 8-4 this year, only reason.

Honestly, yes it'll probably be similar. Defense should be really good again.

If the D is so darn good why did it surrender a ton of yards and big plays and points to CMU in just half a football game yoday?

It's going to all come down to what happens at QB again. Really hope Hall steps up or they bring in a grad transfer.

Because at some point it needs help from it's offense. They played great in the first half, and the offense started with the ball in the 2nd half.

NIU went 3 and out
CMU scored a TD
NIU went 3 and out
CMU kicked a FG
NIU threw a pick
CMU scored a TD

At some point the offense needs to help out it's defense and keep them off the field. NIU's defense was really good this year but it's not perfect.

And realistically if this team and any offense that game would have been over at the half.

(11-24-2017 04:26 PM)nucyberdawg Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:00 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 03:56 PM)SiegInc Wrote:  So what about next year? This is what we get to look forward to? Lets just recognize the situation for what it is; Carey has failed to recruit a serviceable QB. He's tried all three, and they all suck for various reasons. By the grace of the MAC being terrible we are 8-4 this year, only reason.

Honestly, yes it'll probably be similar. Defense should be really good again.

If the D is so darn good why did it surrender a ton of yards and big plays and points to CMU in just half a football game yoday?

It's going to all come down to what happens at QB again. Really hope Hall steps up or they bring in a grad transfer.

Only thing that will change things is coaching change. I realize that's not happening so we are stuck with this. Enjoy!

(11-24-2017 04:22 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:19 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:17 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:15 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:11 PM)7 Wrote:  Based on what? Carey made Childers the guy in the first conference game of the season this year. He made Hare the guy after the Northwestern game.

Again, there's just no basis for what you're saying.

The point is, decisions need to be made before the season and not fluctuating during the season. This should not be much to ask! You know, coaches being coaches? Part of the problem is Carey's philosophy has become so conservative and fearful of the mistake, a true QB skillset is never on display or has a chance to develop. Thus, he can't evaluate QB talent in a system where QB skills are not desired. Its just infuriating because unless there is a coaching change, this is never changing.

This just isn't true lol. This system is so unbelievably QB friendly it's not even funny.

Maddie was a WR in fall ball last year and in his first start had 450 total yards. If you can run, throw a deep ball, and not be a complete idiot with the ball (Santa), this offense works.

The issue this year was none of the QBs were good. The only truly talented guy in that room turned the ball over like it's going out of style.

Name 1 QB that has progressed and shown improvement under Carey. Thanks for playing.

Lynch? Hare?

Do you forget Lynch threw for -1 yards in the second half of his first start? Do you remember how bad Hare was on deep balls his first year?

The system and coaching isn't the main issue, they just didn't have any talent this year.

They nailed the talent they did have to the bench without working with him and giving him a chance to improve. Santa is clearly more talented than Childers and they could have worked with him to limit his turnovers. Instead they played a QB who cannot throw the ball and stayed with him though he showed zero growth or improvement.

(11-24-2017 04:30 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:22 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:19 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:17 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:15 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  The point is, decisions need to be made before the season and not fluctuating during the season. This should not be much to ask! You know, coaches being coaches? Part of the problem is Carey's philosophy has become so conservative and fearful of the mistake, a true QB skillset is never on display or has a chance to develop. Thus, he can't evaluate QB talent in a system where QB skills are not desired. Its just infuriating because unless there is a coaching change, this is never changing.

This just isn't true lol. This system is so unbelievably QB friendly it's not even funny.

Maddie was a WR in fall ball last year and in his first start had 450 total yards. If you can run, throw a deep ball, and not be a complete idiot with the ball (Santa), this offense works.

The issue this year was none of the QBs were good. The only truly talented guy in that room turned the ball over like it's going out of style.

Name 1 QB that has progressed and shown improvement under Carey. Thanks for playing.

Lynch? Hare?

Do you forget Lynch threw for -1 yards in the second half of his first start? Do you remember how bad Hare was on deep balls his first year?

The system and coaching isn't the main issue, they just didn't have any talent this year.

They nailed the talent they did have to the bench without working with him and giving him a chance to improve. Santa is clearly more talented than Childers and they could have worked with him to limit his turnovers. Instead they played a QB who cannot throw the ball and stayed with him though he showed zero growth or improvement.

I think Childers is much more talented

(11-24-2017 04:30 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:22 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:19 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:17 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:15 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  The point is, decisions need to be made before the season and not fluctuating during the season. This should not be much to ask! You know, coaches being coaches? Part of the problem is Carey's philosophy has become so conservative and fearful of the mistake, a true QB skillset is never on display or has a chance to develop. Thus, he can't evaluate QB talent in a system where QB skills are not desired. Its just infuriating because unless there is a coaching change, this is never changing.

This just isn't true lol. This system is so unbelievably QB friendly it's not even funny.

Maddie was a WR in fall ball last year and in his first start had 450 total yards. If you can run, throw a deep ball, and not be a complete idiot with the ball (Santa), this offense works.

The issue this year was none of the QBs were good. The only truly talented guy in that room turned the ball over like it's going out of style.

Name 1 QB that has progressed and shown improvement under Carey. Thanks for playing.

Lynch? Hare?

Do you forget Lynch threw for -1 yards in the second half of his first start? Do you remember how bad Hare was on deep balls his first year?

The system and coaching isn't the main issue, they just didn't have any talent this year.

They nailed the talent they did have to the bench without working with him and giving him a chance to improve. Santa is clearly more talented than Childers and they could have worked with him to limit his turnovers. Instead they played a QB who cannot throw the ball and stayed with him though he showed zero growth or improvement.

I don't even disagree with this, but Santa's turnover problem is not a good one to have.

And as somebody had said on here before, he threw 5 picks in a high school game one time. I'm not sure that was going away.

(11-24-2017 04:31 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:30 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:22 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:19 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:17 PM)7 Wrote:  This just isn't true lol. This system is so unbelievably QB friendly it's not even funny.

Maddie was a WR in fall ball last year and in his first start had 450 total yards. If you can run, throw a deep ball, and not be a complete idiot with the ball (Santa), this offense works.

The issue this year was none of the QBs were good. The only truly talented guy in that room turned the ball over like it's going out of style.

Name 1 QB that has progressed and shown improvement under Carey. Thanks for playing.

Lynch? Hare?

Do you forget Lynch threw for -1 yards in the second half of his first start? Do you remember how bad Hare was on deep balls his first year?

The system and coaching isn't the main issue, they just didn't have any talent this year.

They nailed the talent they did have to the bench without working with him and giving him a chance to improve. Santa is clearly more talented than Childers and they could have worked with him to limit his turnovers. Instead they played a QB who cannot throw the ball and stayed with him though he showed zero growth or improvement.

I think Childers is much more talented

you are literally the only person who thinks this

(11-24-2017 04:34 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:31 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:30 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:22 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:19 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Name 1 QB that has progressed and shown improvement under Carey. Thanks for playing.

Lynch? Hare?

Do you forget Lynch threw for -1 yards in the second half of his first start? Do you remember how bad Hare was on deep balls his first year?

The system and coaching isn't the main issue, they just didn't have any talent this year.

They nailed the talent they did have to the bench without working with him and giving him a chance to improve. Santa is clearly more talented than Childers and they could have worked with him to limit his turnovers. Instead they played a QB who cannot throw the ball and stayed with him though he showed zero growth or improvement.

I think Childers is much more talented

you are literally the only person who thinks this

I'm sure Mr & Mrs Childers would agree. Ok, maybe just Mrs.Childers. Mr.Childers watches football.

(11-24-2017 04:20 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:19 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:06 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:05 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  I have no idea who calls plays.It ultimately falls on the HC. The decision to run or pass, short or long, the package, the tempo.

They have enough talent around the QB to win this game. That's the focus. Not next yr, next game. Not past MAC titles, MACC. THIS game. Coach THIS game.

I don't know what happened in that 2nd half. It's not like a team with far better talent played to ability across from them. This team, offense lost the game.

Not the end of the world, but a 17 pt lead and zero 2nd half pts is not to be overlooked. And once again, a questionable TO, play calling and on field personnel packages can be questioned.

In all fairness defense played horrible in the 2nd half and was just as much at fault. It gets hard though when have a coach that does not like to be in possession of the football.

NIU ran 14 plays on 4 drives (3 3 and outs, then 5 play INT) to start 2nd half to CMU 29 (one with 15 plays) leading to 3 scores. They had 1/2 their yardage for the game in 3 drives. 1/3 in 2 plays.

Not scoring is bad enough. But you can't keep getting 3 and outs. Kills you defense, especially one relying on quickness as NIU does. They get tired. You see the results, Ws when they cause 3 and outs themselves. Can't expect them to win every game.

2nd half drive charts:

http://www.espn.com/college-football/box...=400945028

Yeah, and if the plan going forward is to try to win games with your defense the offense needs to slow the hell down. They went 3 and out on their first two drives of the half in like 30 seconds.

I don't think that's the plan, though.

100% agree. They actually did one drive, the 5 play/int. I was in shock.

Yes, the plan never changes.

(11-24-2017 04:37 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  I'm sure Mr & Mrs Childers would agree. Ok, maybe just Mrs.Childers. Mr.Childers watches football.

Speaking of being out of rational arguments.
Okay, squirrel, would you have the nuts to say this to Mr. Childers?